ISIS Doomsday Clock

[Cognisant]

Doomsday Clock

As I see it ISIS is trying to start a world wide cultural war, it goes beyond tactics, beyond strategy, it's a philosophical attack on the modern secular world.

Most Muslims are not radicalized but if ISIS can incite secular governments to make laws/policies that oppress the Islamic faith and make life harder for Muslim people then more of them will become radicalized.

For example lets say there were beheadings in every major Australian city, almost immediately it would become much more difficult for Australian Muslims to get jobs. A kind of casual segregation would also occur as other Australians decide to avoid them and the police will treat any threat of violence involving Muslims more seriously. Furthermore since Muslims are a minority demographic then in a democratic elective process any anti-Islamic sentiment would be advantageous to openly anti-Islamic politicians.

The more anti-Islamic sentiment a modern secular society has the more oppressed & segregated the Muslim demographic will become, the easier they'll be to radicalize and with more attacks the anti-Islamic sentiment grows.

Eventually this feedback loop reaches a point of critical momentum at which point it only stops once the cycle becomes unsustainable.

We need a Doomsday Clock for anti-Islamic sentiment, perhaps a disaster foreseen is a disaster prevented, or perhaps we should be making preparations now for the world to come?

 

[User]

Let's all fuck someone of a different race then kill ourselves. Racial and cultural assimilation.

 

[Kuu]

ISIS is mostly a psyop. People really need to stop being paranoid about the boogeyman du jour. The real world wide cultural war is the one waged by the hall of mirrors that is the media.

 

[AniOmega]

ISIS is mostly a psyop. People really need to stop being paranoid about the boogeyman du jour. The real world wide cultural war is the one waged by the hall of mirrors that is the media.

Ya, I thought globalization and media dictated culture were common knowledge. I can't tell if this thread is sarcastic or not. For example, african-american-perceivedoppressivness-centric protests have been a more explosive trend in the recent united states culture.

I totally could be missing something though. So, 9/11 happened a while ago, 14 years later there isn't any notable muslim oppression in our culture, and muslim radicals still exist, like they did befor 9/11. How are they making any headway in their so called philosophical war?

Israel paid off the BBC, Fox, CNN, and other large media outlets quite some time ago to protect their PR, what could ISIS possibly do? They have nothing, they're perceived as fools, and occasionally they get a bomb off. No politician is going to use anti-islamism as a foothold. Police more likely to pull over an afro than a turban, if at all more likely versus any other demographic. Right?

 

[Black Rose]

with all those military resources war is profitable for one side at least:

US Destroying Syria’s Oil Infrastructure Under Guise of Fighting ISIS

https://youtu.be/yKORsrlN-2k

 

[redbaron]

ISIS is 3 years late, the world already ended in 2012.

 

[TBerg]

Actually, I think that political correctness tends to reinforce the ability of "Muslim organizations" to portray their own communities as requiring special treatment as a result of oppression, thereby reinforcing the problematic narrative in their own communities. Look up Kenan Malik and Majid Nawaaz for more of this perspective.

 

[Analyzer]

Ya, I thought globalization and media dictated culture were common knowledge. I can't tell if this thread is sarcastic or not. For example, african-american-perceivedoppressivness-centric protests have been a more explosive trend in the recent united states culture.

I totally could be missing something though. So, 9/11 happened a while ago, 14 years later there isn't any notable muslim oppression in our culture, and muslim radicals still exist, like they did befor 9/11. How are they making any headway in their so called philosophical war?

Israel paid off the BBC, Fox, CNN, and other large media outlets quite some time ago to protect their PR, what could ISIS possibly do? They have nothing, they're perceived as fools, and occasionally they get a bomb off. No politician is going to use anti-islamism as a foothold. Police more likely to pull over an afro than a turban, if at all more likely versus any other demographic. Right?

Nice analysis. If OP really buys into the propaganda then either he has some interest into what the US Government does or has an over developed Fe.

War on terrorism is a joke along with war on drugs, poverty, or anything else.

 

[TBerg]

IS has more than fools with bombs. They have administered areas of territory collecting taxes and oil revenue in the millions of dollars every day. They have professional commanders and decent military technology captured from US-supplied Iraqi forces. They have ideological fervor as a force multiplier in the battlefield. How do you think they conquered territory defended by the Iraqi army and the Pesh Merga? How are they getting people in the Maghreb to declare their territorial allegiance to al Baghdadi?

 

[Black Rose]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/rise-of-isis/

 

[TBerg]

Alternatively, we could also consider the possibility of a real nuclear bomb coming from Russia or China if the intentions are not clear on both sides at every step of the way.

 

[Analyzer]

IS has more than fools with bombs. They have administered areas of territory collecting taxes and oil revenue in the millions of dollars every day. They have professional commanders and decent military technology captured from US-supplied Iraqi forces. They have ideological fervor as a force multiplier in the battlefield. How do you think they conquered territory defended by the Iraqi army and the Pesh Merga? How are they getting people in the Maghreb to declare their territorial allegiance to al Baghdadi?

They are fools because warfare and increasing of state power will make it a bigger quagmire for the territory which they reside in(as well other regions). I don't deny their legitimacy and I wouldn't be surprised if this situation escalated with more geopolitical warfare. Why do people support such interventionist policy given the consequences and recent results?

Obviously these things are not in the interest of the people but benefit the corporate-military state. Maybe people think they are part of this system so feel that in order to ensure their own self-governance, they need some sort of external mechanism to maintain power in the international arena.

 

[TBerg]

Obviously, having a totalitarian fusion of Baathism and Jihadism conquering more and more territory is going to result in more and more people coming under the wrath of people who banish history and progress at the same time, matters to all of us somehow either selfishly or altruistically. It works tha same way as having your neighbor wreck the neighborhood by doing stupid shit and raising ruffians.

You can argue that we are making it worse, but that is something different from claiming that there is no cost to it getting worse. And I am more than willing to castigate Paul Bremmer and the rest of the philistines...thoroughly. Even Bush was surprised at some of the Ambassador's decisions.

 

[Brander]

Fun fact- ISIS has been taking young women as slaves in battle, and dividing this "loot" based on ancient Islamic laws of war.
Ultimately, I agree with OP, its an attack on the modern world and all it stands for. I agree that discriminating against Muslims as people is bad, but as someone who has studied the Koran, I find little to nothing of real merit in the religion.

 

[TBerg]

Imam Ali took a sex slave himself, and the Prophet blessed it.

 

[Brander]

Imam Ali took a sex slave himself, and the Prophet blessed it.

Ah yes, fine antiquarian reference.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Oh TBerg, you will never earn your wings in this lifetime, i'm afraid.
The hate dwells too strong in you.

On topic:
Compare:
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/isis-destroying-iraqs-cultural-heritage-one-site-at-a-time-58790

to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites_in_Saudi_Arabia

TWO WINGS, ONE BIRD, SAME SHIT.

 

[TBerg]

I am fully aware that I wear my archetype on my sleeve, Sal, but that does not mean I cannot sublimate it and put it to good use. What you posted shows the eeries similarity between the theology of those who dominate Saudi Arabia and the zealots among IS. IS just takes the theology one step further calling for the obedience to the khalifah as opposed to earthly powers. That would not fly in the police state of the Saudi dynasty. The remarkable thing is that our insistence upon the stability of the monarchy preempts even more extreme people from claiming power. There are a few people looking towards the West in the Saudi family. It is slim pickings in that country, for sure. Combined with the massive wealth of Saudi Arabia, a more revolutionary goveremt would be a forceful menace. If you ever had thought that the removal of Saddam unleashed atavist forces in Iraq, then tou understand what I am saying about Saudi Arabia. But we certainly don't want it to go further than the peninsula and enter the Fertile Crescent.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

I am fully aware that I wear my archetype on my sleeve, Sal, but that does not mean I cannot sublimate it and put it to good use.

I don't condemn you, but i have gathered from the interactions with you that you are unwilling to learn.

By your unwillingness to learn, you willl corner yourself in a defensive position, like a rat that is cornered and which is squeaking and revolting against the perceived intruders.

Now, if you were wiser than the rat in this situation,
you would be able to gather that we are not here as intruders,
but we are here as emissaries.
And that you should weight our message against your convictions.
That is what god commands us to do.

You have refused to do this on a multitude of matters,
and therefore i am not confident that you are capable of playing the role of an intermediatory and thus iam not comfortable to assume that any of your hardliner positions will be fruitful to negotiate the positions between us.

 

[TBerg]

Holy shit. Whose embassy do you represent? Who are your colleagues in government? And why do you assume I am alone in my corner and that you put me there? How do you know that is not your own conceit? We all tell stories about ourselves. How come you got straight for the archetypal image and not stay more rational?

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

God looks favourably on those who take sides with those who have no defendants.
You are locked in your power dynamics, that's not part of god, you fool.
God is on the side of the oppressed, of all times, everywhere.
You choose to be on the side of the strong of your day,
which may soon face to be on the receiving end of the righteous side of the weak in return of them having to face the opposing side's transgression of the eternal principles of harmony.

 

[TBerg]

I see no virtue in siding with the weak. I would pick Kongzi over Mao Zedong any day.

You know that I support war crimes trials for the Bush Administration to rectify the ineternational and constitutional order.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

I see no virtue in siding with the weak. I would pick Kongzi over Mao Zedong any day.

You know that I support war crimes trials for the Bush Administration to rectify the ineternational and constitutional order.

That's not enough.
You need to constrain the CIA and NSA and many other secret societies operating as a private sub-contractor of the US governement,
many taking their money for operations from "black budgets" by trading weapons and drugs, prostitution and slave labor throughout the world, causing much damage to all creatures of god, causing him much pain.

 

[TBerg]

I am not sure how unilateral disarmament would work. There would have to be some sort of multilateral disclosure among the most important major powers. Otherwise we are back to autarky and susceptible to some playing nice and others not.

 

[AniOmega]

I am fully aware that I wear my archetype on my sleeve, Sal, but that does not mean I cannot sublimate it and put it to good use. What you posted shows the eeries similarity between the theology of those who dominate Saudi Arabia and the zealots among IS. IS just takes the theology one step further calling for the obedience to the khalifah as opposed to earthly powers. That would not fly in the police state of the Saudi dynasty. The remarkable thing is that our insistence upon the stability of the monarchy preempts even more extreme people from claiming power. There are a few people looking towards the West in the Saudi family. It is slim pickings in that country, for sure. Combined with the massive wealth of Saudi Arabia, a more revolutionary goveremt would be a forceful menace. If you ever had thought that the removal of Saddam unleashed atavist forces in Iraq, then tou understand what I am saying about Saudi Arabia. But we certainly don't want it to go further than the peninsula and enter the Fertile Crescent.

It's uplifting to see you actively fight for a particular identity of your choosing. This is off topic but I'll try and bring it around to the thread later.

I have the darkness under my eyes, the hound eyes, dark circles. Born with it, and today I overheard someone say "ani is the most shot out x yearold I've seen in my life." I had to google it when I got home. Others' perceptions being a funnel, one not really understood until older when you've already matriculated at x identity school, I was prompted unconsciously into a particular set of identities. How has your environment funneled you? The highest degrees of change possible in one's process of self defining comes when there are the least relationships, are you at one of these points? The converse can be seen in those who maintain lifelong bonds and often stay in the same town they were born in, very 'rooted' in their identity. Mostly just want to know your take on the archetype you say you wear on your sleeve. To me it seems like a hero, it's focused outside on a quest, an external objective that you're trying to define. I would think a destroyer would automatically think, "if hurting them's an option, I'll do that. I have no time for this, I have to punch my chest until it's purple and yellow. Why haven't I offed myself yet, *guttoral shout* *drunk driving* Theirs seems an internal battle, one where hercules is rewarded with the lion's pelt, which is said to be impenetrable; the shield of achlys. Your character seems more Jason and the argonauts. Curious of your opinion.

ISIS; [very sweepingly general with lots of assumptions and a lack of fact checking] they probably feel vindictive as their area has been trodden over alot, and superpowers may make them feel like inconsequential 3rd worlders. Possible that the strongest tether to a lacking proud cultural identity is their religion, so combining vindictiveness, more $ than avg, lack of pride, and the lever of theirs; religion, you get a massive overcompensation swingback of raging religion. But I mostly just wanted to know more about TBerg.

 

[TBerg]

It has been quite a winding journey for me, but I will attempt to give you a good sense of it.

I do not wear my identity on my sleeve much in the real world. It is just here that I may wear my self-made badge prominently. For so much of my life, I vacillated between utter despair and utter euphoria and felt like I could construct an identity as a person of immense intelligence to mask any of the shameful odor I detected within myself and my past. It was after repeated attempts at trying and failing to make this work that I found my current calling. The destroyer is more than a hero. In fact, the destroyer is an anti-hero, someone who destroys himself and others in pursuit of a destructive wisdom gained from experience. He is not pure evil, but instead understands that there is more to our existence than meets the eye of those who have faith in a hero. It is therefrom that the destroyer tries to find the weakness in heroics and reveal them for everyone to behold. I used to deploy this nature in battle against Christian fundamentalism; now I find that left-liberalism is the truly conceited hero on the march.

And, yes, you are correct that this was pushed in many ways by people telling me, almost simultaneously, that I am both wicked and incompetent as well as angelic and ingenious. The resulting narcissism is poison. It destroys everything you do.

At any rate, I appreciate your interest in my life. If you want to know more about my development from the perspective of another point in my life, then here is one of the threads I started:

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=18657

As regards ISIS, I think that we sometimes underestimate them just as we did the Nazis. The Nazis arose after a horrific war as well.