INTPf Mafia #3: Do you even rift?

[Ex-User (9086)]

Not sure whether I should post what happened with my night action. Is it better to see what people do when they're not reacting to my information? For me I think it is. How about I reveal it later on? In 24 hours?

I think you shouldn't announce when you'll reveal the information. First of all you've just revealed that this information might be useful when it could be useless, secondly people, especially scum may be inclined to wait until all info is given to adjust their play. So I'm fine with you withholding, but maybe reveal it when you feel like it, without preparations.

@Blarraun
You've been confusing with your game in general, but one area in which you were thinking clearly was with the role logic. I would like to see what you think this night's events mean for my role claim. Because it's still not a 100% yet. Why?

Are you implying I wasn't thinking clearly in other areas? I wouldn't agree with that one.

I'm pretty sure you're tracker. There was no NK, this means mafia targeted you and you were saved, so because of this mafia learnt about the existence of the doctor and it was a 50% BP/Doc so they could as well target you to remove the only informative role from town. The other potentiality is that you are scum and Doc protected you, but then we must've had Cop counterclaim which we hadn't.
I may begin to suspect you again if more of the town dies and your actions were getting you nowhere.

You could be a Cop too for all we know, pretending to be a tracker to lower your kill value.

Damn, I hate multi posting, so now this will look nonsensical. Okay, mafia would know you were cop because they would have the roleblocker, so then it's less likely they would target you as first kill.

 

[redbaron]

Blarraun stop editing. First and last warning.

 

[Hadoblado]

Okay I'll play the reveal by feel. Suits me fine. Thanks.

Yes I think some of the things you've said have been cloudy. For example:

I would advise you not to worry about what role I am unless you actually suspect me. If you're town, unless you're trying to put something together, the blue roles are irrelevant to you. I could very well be cop trying to lower my value (nah I couldn't), but if that were the case, what have you done for town by mentioning it? Brought heat on a bluerole?

It's mafia's job to find the blueroles. When I look at the direction of your thinking, you're trying to figure out blue roles instead of finding scum. Either as town, you're not thinking clearly, or as scum, you're sniffing around. So you tell me, are you scum or are you thinking unclearly?

 

[PmjPmj]

Ok guys, time is (as ever) quite limited. I’m going to work backwards, because ease.

So we made a mistake in regards to Yellow, and I played a large part. I am sorry to an extent.. but shit happens, and hopefully her lynch will not be in vain. I stand by what I said in regards to Yellow not seeming upfront or confident.. I thought she was playing a mafia game similar to mine.. But it transpires she simply was a Vannila Townie, who didn't convince me, for one, of her Townliness. I note that her suspicion started with me, moved to Hado, then to Gopher then back to Hado. With PMJ thrown in there too.

I was under the impression that showing regret was a mafia tell. Here, you display regret and also attempt to justify her lynching. Interesting. Could be nothing, could be something.

I think Blarraun started the game tentatively, proceeded cautiously, and in fair logic. He picked up on the same uncertainties I had in regards to Yellow and applied some pressure on her..

Yes, I did note that. You simply stepped in with a "This is what I thought too, guys!" at some point or another. Very hands off, and safe.

It worries me somewhat that you’re defending Blarraun, who is most definitely one of the more prominent suspects. Hmm. You do this in a somewhat suspect manner. It’s a very delicate touch. Far from explicit. Consider my interest piqued.

He soon after came under fire from Gopher and Hado, Hado explained his stance against Blarraun as mostly one driven by self preservation.

Other than mitigation of heat on Blarraun, why regurgitate this? If not for the aforementioned reason, it’s just fluff. I don’t think your’e much in to fluff, Sinny. I think you're very cleverly trying to convey the notion that Bla is innocent. Why? What's in it for you?

You could argue 'Well, it's in the benefit of the town!', but you could assert your beliefs quite simply by saying: 'Bla - green; x,y - z.' Instead, you're doing this really weird softly-softly' thing. It's very strange, and out of character. Hm.

I didn't wholly buy Gophers case on Blarraun, and I think Blarrauns defense in return to Gopher was reasonable. Blarraun was accused of being low key and passive, I note that he has since injected more energy and determination into his play.. He has come under continued pressure from Goph, but he has not cracked and slipped any scum tells as far as I can tell. He did initially suspect Hado as scum but came around to the idea that Hado is most likely the Blue Role. He also retracted his vote on Yellow coming round to the idea that she was playing as inexperienced town would.

Why are you spending more time defending Bla than you are making a case for someone? It’s a bit creepy, now.

Hado, I did read him as Town, and him being Blue Role tracker certainly adds perspective to his passivity. If he's scum and pulling some sort of gambit.. Well, that's some audacity. As it happens I'm inclined to believe hm because I think I know who the other Blue Role is.

Bold: why would you say this? It will invariably arouse interest; you effectively just painted a large target on your back for the mafia. Why?

Hado and Blarraun, yellow and QT have all pointed FoS at PMJ. I'll admit, I'm torn between whether his Ni is doing it's INTJ thing, or whether he actually did roll scum. There is some disparity between what he says and what he does... But I'm not sure if he's aware of it? Verdict: FoS PMJ.

I wasn’t aware of it, no - and I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at; my vote for Hado was consistent, and reasoning is coming shortly.

Spacelog: Seems town to me, and a confident one at that. But I need to eradicate some variable before he gets the rubber stamp of approval.

ShapeBlog hasn’t even been here. A bit premature, perhaps.

I now look to Hado for any clue's he might have.

Passing the book to a suspected blue, putting the onus on him so you can step back into the shadows?

FOS Sinny

This will probably progress to a vote a little laster on, unless somebody seriously fucks up.

I think I had you wrong. You tricksy devil, you.

 

[PmjPmj]

*** Not to be considered in the game; this is a shitpost, and shouldn't have any bearing on anything ****

Oh, and apologies for incoherence. I'm on day two of 3.5-4 hours of sleep. My vision is blurry, my head hurts and trying to string together any kind of cohesive argument is an arduous task. Sorry, guys. I wish I could get around this but I can't - I am but a feeble meatbag.

I'll do my best regardless!

*********

 

[Hadoblado]

Hey PMJ

If you develop your case on Sinny more I might look into it. You'll need to argue it for real though. Not just bluster. She's a town-read for me atm. I'm not telling you you're wrong, or that you should stop this line of inquiry, I'm just saying that you need to rely on reasoning and not on an intuition you can't articulate or the impending OMGUS cat fight for material, if you want to convince.

@Town
On day one, Yellow through down the notion that we should all be using our votes at all times. I think that that's a good philosophy. Unless you have zero reads, I would like you to place votes. Votes are real and easy to track, vague aspersions are not. Furthermore, they're a resource wasted if they go unused. A vote is town's most powerful tool. So at the very least, please use your vote. FoS is fine too, but use that to indicate others under suspicion after you've used your vote. Don't FoS before voting.

PMJ, please vote for sinny. Not just FoS her. No reason to wait. It's not majority lynch, so there's no downside. All it does is makes it clear who you were suspicious of and when, when we look back on the events of this day.

 

[PmjPmj]

Sigh.

*Googles 'OMGUS'*

Ha ha!

Noted

 

[PmjPmj]

I'm still catching up Hado. I'm currently (attempting) to defend myself from the avalanche of bullshit I got the other day for making objective sense. I'm still applying after-burn after all the "PMJ IS A FUCKING RETARD!" comments.

Meanwhile, "NO - U!"

 

[PmjPmj]

Ok, so now to address this bullshit levelled at me with regards to keeping my claim on Hado.

Oh fuck, just saw the claim, that really sucks.

Someone catch me up, why the hell hasn't Pmj or Yellow unvoted Hado?

Vote: Pmj

Had a list of cote counts, didn't see this one. Pmj is sketch as fuck for not unvoting Hado given he saw the claim. We lynch that unless he unvotes.

And even PJM is supposedly smarter than this, with him I am mostly attributing some spontaneous high that he seems to be suffering, and even that is a particularly weak explanation. Why does it keep happening in this game that the best excuses for people I can think of is stupidity.

PMJ
You're not this retarded. If you insist on being this retarded I'm going to change my mind and vote you. You were supposed to approach tunneling me with caution after last game. Instead, you're tunneling me straight through an unanswered blue claim. That is stone cold stupid. This isn't some bully tact antics, what you're doing here doesn't make sense. Fuck off with your flippant nonsense. You need to make a meaningful vote.

In fact...

Vote PMJ

When the fuck was it established that I wasn’t going to tunnel you? I’ll tunnel anyone I suspect. That’s the game, ffs.

Fuck off yourself >_>

No, I can see PJM being this stupid, but you? I can't believe it, this entire post and discussion is utter BS. This stuff is so freaking obvious and simple I don't even know. It has been explained step by step multiple times and the only way to miss it at this point is intentionally.

So, quite clearly it is assumed that I’m a retard. Whilst I’m not averse to this ringing true in other areas of my life, I find it to be complete bullshit within this context. Let’s look at this from my perspective, shall we?

• Hado has had suspicions levelled at him (many of which I shared) and is in a critically weak position.
  
• The sense of defeat he seems to exhibit is palpable; people begin to pile on him as the most obvious candidate for Mafia
  
• Hado retires for the night, but later comes back to claim he’s a blue role
  
• Everyone loses their fucking shit, scrambling over one another to redistribute votes, find new people to pin stuff to, etc.

Even Jesus fucking Christ didn’t have this much charisma. Does nobody else see the problem with this?

A counter claim is not a dead certainty - why would it be? If the ‘real’ blue is currently under the radar and wishes to remain there, they will.

A counter claim could be made by anybody. There is no validity to anyone’s claim here. Nobody knows who or what the fuck anybody else is. It’s arbitrary nonsense, taken as fact. Perhaps on this forum, everyone is nicey-nicey and personal integrity is prized above all else, so people listen to Hado because he’s a pillar of the community. Well, fuck that. The games I have played in the past were rife with such manipulations. Also, as an outsider looking in, and one who is only playing my second game here (and, let’s not forget, second game prior to not paying anything Mafia related for a decade) I’m stood on the periphery of this shit-show wondering what the fuck is going on. Objectively it doesn't make sense.

• Hado under fire
• Hado makes what could easily be a bullshit claim
• Everyone backs off... because of a potentially bullshit claim

Stand back and consider my angle. Is it so surprising that I should be taken aback by people falling over themselves to acquiesce to (or in some cases, straight up accept) some claim which could very well be horse shit? I can understand some caution, certainly - but why did nobody - not a single fucking person - stop to consider the possibility that Hado is simply stalling?

I’ve since inquired as to why this this happened, and now understand to a better degree. Therefore, I admit that I lacked some knowledge around the topic... but calling me retarded simply because I'm not au fait with a lot of the game mechanics? Go fuck yourselves.

As for those (QT; Sete) saying things tantamount to “Mur, imma gonna lynch that cunt if he doesn’t change his vote, what a retard!”… you obviously missed the part where I bade everyone farewell for the night. GMT, guys. Scrabbling for a nice easy lynch there, fuckers?


FOS Sete
FOS QT

Finally:

I'm indecisive but both Yellow and Shapelog have similarly low town value.

I'm going to sleep so this is my last choice. I'm going with Yellow. Sorry this is how your performance went, but your death will not be in vain if you're clear. Spacelog I'd kill, but he's just lurk and lurk-wins don't count anyway, I'll have at least some consolation if I make the wrong call here.

Vote Yellow

You could have piled on to me here, and comparatively my contribution was lesser. Why, then, did you omit me entirely from this decision and swing for Yellow, who we now know to be town? Yellow did an excellent job of defending herself. It seems to me that she was bandwaggoned because people were picking up on a disparity between her normal and game demeanours… which reeks of bullshit.

Was she getting too close to somebody? Hmm. I think this warrants further inspection once I’m done with this post.

FOS Blarraun.

So there you have it.

“Oh, so you’ve changed your vote on Hado I see?!”

Yeah. Praise the fucking lord.

Note: if he turns out to be Mafia, I’m going to find every single one of you IRL and shit on your doorstep. I may also egg your windows.

Think on that, you shitehawks.

 

[Sinny91]

Ok, so now to address this bullshit levelled at me with regards to keeping my claim on Hado.

When the fuck was it established that I wasn’t going to tunnel you? I’ll tunnel anyone I suspect. That’s the game, ffs.

Fuck off yourself >_>

So, quite clearly it is assumed that I’m a retard. Whilst I’m not averse to this ringing true in other areas of my life, I find it to be complete bullshit within this context. Let’s look at this from my perspective, shall we?

• Hado has had suspicions levelled at him (many of which I shared) and is in a critically weak position.
  
• The sense of defeat he seems to exhibit is palpable; people begin to pile on him as the most obvious candidate for Mafia
  
• Hado retires for the night, but later comes back to claim he’s a blue role
  
• Everyone loses their fucking shit, scrambling over one another to redistribute votes, find new people to pin stuff to, etc.

Even Jesus fucking Christ didn’t have this much charisma. Does nobody else see the problem with this?

A counter claim is not a dead certainty - why would it be? If the ‘real’ blue is currently under the radar and wishes to remain there, they will.

A counter claim could be made by anybody. There is no validity to anyone’s claim here. Nobody knows who or what the fuck anybody else is. It’s arbitrary nonsense, taken as fact. Perhaps on this forum, everyone is nicey-nicey and personal integrity is prized above all else, so people listen to Hado because he’s a pillar of the community. Well, fuck that. The games I have played in the past were rife with such manipulations. Also, as an outsider looking in, and one who is only playing my second game here (and, let’s not forget, second game prior to not paying anything Mafia related for a decade) I’m stood on the periphery of this shit-show wondering what the fuck is going on. Objectively it doesn't make sense.

• Hado under fire
• Hado makes what could easily be a bullshit claim
• Everyone backs off... because of a potentially bullshit claim

Stand back and consider my angle. Is it so surprising that I should be taken aback by people falling over themselves to acquiesce to (or in some cases, straight up accept) some claim which could very well be horse shit? I can understand some caution, certainly - but why did nobody - not a single fucking person - stop to consider the possibility that Hado is simply stalling?

I’ve since inquired as to why this this happened, and now understand to a better degree. Therefore, I admit that I lacked some knowledge around the topic... but calling me retarded simply because I'm not au fait with a lot of the game mechanics? Go fuck yourselves.

As for those (QT; Sete) saying things tantamount to “Mur, imma gonna lynch that cunt if he doesn’t change his vote, what a retard!”… you obviously missed the part where I bade everyone farewell for the night. GMT, guys. Scrabbling for a nice easy lynch there, fuckers?


FOS Sete
FOS QT

Finally:



You could have piled on to me here, and comparatively my contribution was lesser. Why, then, did you omit me entirely from this decision and swing for Yellow, who we now know to be town? Yellow did an excellent job of defending herself. It seems to me that she was bandwaggoned because people were picking up on a disparity between her normal and game demeanours… which reeks of bullshit.

Was she getting too close to somebody? Hmm. I think this warrants further inspection once I’m done with this post.

FOS Blarraun.

So there you have it.

“Oh, so you’ve changed your vote on Hado I see?!”

Yeah. Praise the fucking lord.

Note: if he turns out to be Mafia, I’m going to find every single one of you IRL and shit on your doorstep. I may also egg your windows.

Think on that, you shitehawks.

Far too much OMGUS here...

Yea we get it, Hado could be lying.. But he could be telling the truth too. It's yet to be determined, and having a tantrum over it won't accomplish anything.

 

[PmjPmj]

'OMGUS' or not, it doesn't change the fact that I was flabbergasted at the ordeal. Less a tantrum, more of a 'Why am I the only one questioning this? Am I missing something?'

I don't personally think I was; I think people trust Hado, and he leveraged that. Being more on the outside, I looked at things in a more objective light.

 

[PmjPmj]

Also, you post told us nothing. Please explain why you were defending Bla.

You've done fuck all this game, save for a few one-liners. Cough up the goods, please. Sorry, but I don't believe for one fucking nanosecond anyone is busier / more knackered than I am. If I can manage the odd post, I'm pretty sure you can.

Same at QT; same at ShapeBlog.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

It's mafia's job to find the blueroles. When I look at the direction of your thinking, you're trying to figure out blue roles instead of finding scum. Either as town, you're not thinking clearly, or as scum, you're sniffing around. So you tell me, are you scum or are you thinking unclearly?

Actually it's a case of me looking at the game as an observer, it's an objective perspective. It's true that it's not helpful for the town to mention it but also I would gain nothing as a scum by sniffing around because I would already have known by virtue of knowing that me or my partner would be the roleblocker.

That last post wasn't perfect, It was more a hasty participation as I was setting off to have a busy day, I'll have some more time to post in the evening and then I'll be able to consider which parts of my perspective should remain hidden.

I don't really care if you treat what I did as malicious questioning, because if you think about it, I couldn't be scum without knowing what actual role you were. Tracker or Cop.

 

[Hadoblado]

@PMJ
Let me simplify.

It would be stupid for town to lynch someone that is likely blue. You would have to have the most incredible certainty that I was red if I claim and there's no response. Because if you kill me you lose a blue role. There's more to lose, it's less likely you're right (because no counter-claim), and if I am scum, I'm already caught because there's at least one blue role out there who knows my claim is false.

So as scum, I'm already a dead man walking. As tracker, I'm too valuable to risk (even if the role does feel weak).

I guess it's not utterly obvious to the uninitiated, but it's very well established and it's a bit hard to believe that you would be so certain of your read day one that you'd tunnel through an unanswered blue claim.

Now you come back and you're so fixated on whether or not you look stupid, you're defending yourself against attacks that happened yesterday that to my knowledge nobody even cares about at the moment.

If you are town, stop fixating on cases that can't be made and attacks that are no longer relevant, and hunt scum. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing you've done in both this game and the last is tunnel me and yell at passers by like that man at the bus stop selling pencils from a cup. You're still not voting people. You're just suggesting that some people should be suspected. Believe me when I say I'm not accusing you of being scum, but what you're doing is scummy.

 

[Hadoblado]

Actually it's a case of me looking at the game as an observer, it's an objective perspective. It's true that it's not helpful for the town to mention it but also I would gain nothing as a scum by sniffing around because I would already have known by virtue of knowing that me or my partner would be the roleblocker.

That last post wasn't perfect, It was more a hasty participation as I was setting off to have a busy day, I'll have some more time to post in the evening and then I'll be able to consider which parts of my perspective should remain hidden.

I don't really care if you treat what I did as malicious questioning, because if you think about it, I couldn't be scum without knowing what actual role you were. Tracker or Cop.

Okay so you weren't thinking clearly? I'll take it.

I'm not trying to be an asshole. But if you're town you need to know that you're not perceived as being as clear as you think. I was going to tell you not to worry about it, because I was talking about stuff you said that isn't relevant unless I'm coming after you. You just happened to provide me with an example that was more relevant. I would like to move on.

 

[redbaron]

VOTE COUNT
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Shapelog (1) - Hadoblado

Not Voting - Pmj, Sinny, Gopher, Shapelog, Sete, Blarraun, QuickTwist

Day ends in this amount of time.
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[Sinny91]

Also, you post told us nothing. Please explain why you were defending Bla.

You all gotta wait, I'm smoking a spiff and managing my morning rounds.

You've done fuck all this game, save for a few one-liners. Cough up the goods, please.

Oh sorry, first post Day Two was more than a one liner, and you lectured me still.

Sorry, but I don't believe for one fucking nanosecond anyone is busier / more knackered than I am. If I can manage the odd post, I'm pretty sure you can.

Same at QT; same at ShapeBlog.

 

[Seteleechete]

My reasons for going for yellow haven't really changed, I thought she was playing irrationally and erratically and it turned out to just be the way she chose to play.

I love how QT came at the last second to try and get some last second obvious read points, he acts like the perfect town without contributing anything substantial. I don't like at all how QT is playing. He seems to have gained a lot of townie points by helpfully explaining how the game is supposed to be played rather than actual contribution. It's the same tactic I thought Hado attempted in terms of placations but far more subtle which just makes it worse.

OK, so I was going to respond with quotes, but frankly you guys make such long posts it would take forever to reply to everything I want to, so I'll just make a few comments that more fits my style of play if that's alright.

Pmj is a Null read at this point. He's really standoffish and I don't know what to make of him being non-committal on Sinny and then immediately saying "I'll put my balls on the line and say she is Tow" Kinda irked me more so than anything.

I haven't been overly impressed with Gopher, but I'm inclined to agree that at this point I am liking a Hado lynch. He seems calm and collected as always, but I don't know that I can trust him just yet. I did kinda get the feeling like he was trying to look like he was doing more than he really was, but I'll have to watch and see what he does from here on out.

I am iffy on Yellows unvote of Sinny. It seems like I can't tell if Yellow is actually reevaluating the read on Sinny or just unvoting them because it was planned or some shit. That said, I think I like Yellow for town about now and there are really only like one or two things than bugged me from her posts.

Hado just had a bad reaction to pressure. I didn't see him really even acknowledge anything people thought he was Suspicious for except to say "I am just playing a scripted game this time" which, honestly I don't think I like. Its fine if you want to change things up a bit, but when people are saying you are Sus, you really need to address those concerns.

Sete is kinda doing the same kind of argument as Hado saying they are playing the way the would regardless of alignment, but the difference is that Sete hasn't really fallen under suspicion while saying this and I have to say that is a more Townie thing to do considering context. I also like the way they are addressing things head on and not really pussyfooting around so much.

Sinny remains to be the Bull in the china hut, and I like that in her because I'm inclined to think she is Town for it. Its such a stark contrast to last game I don't think I can justify any sort of Scum read on her at this time. Her contribution has been a bit lacking but for now its enough to say she is likely Town.

Spacelog is a Vet so I expect more from him than others. His content has been pretty good and he makes some really good points against Hado, but without a vote on Hado this concerns me greatly. He spent the better portion of his content on Hado, but doesn't vote him. I can see a world where he is just distancing from Hado here and if he isn't I'm not sure what he is doing.

Blarraun has hardly don enough to get his feet wet in this game. No real stances taken iirc and just pretty much has talked about the game rather than playing the game so much. I'm not really sure how to read him at this point so I'm going to say Null for now.

All this said:

This is the extent of his contribution and the way I see it it's useless, besides jumping on the Hado bandwagon he didn't try to heavily press anyone. This kinda seemingly accurate and useless read is exactly what one could expect from an experienced mafia playing on this forum to avoid suspicion.


Idk about PJM he seems to have chosen to play this way as well but his insistence that he "doesn't understand" bugs me. And now he acts wildly. It could all be an act since he is so deep into this line of excuses anyway.

Sete: I actually disagree with a number of Sete's reads. I note that he's playing with an air confidence.. I'm trying to determine the source of that confidence. Verdict: Under Scrutiny.

Yeh, I am not actually confident at all, I just act like it because I want the game to go on, not always give the obvious defences away beforehand, instead force people to respond ect. It's a balancing act because it's not natural for me to not question every accusation away and keep getting into a loop of arguments. There are always redeeming factors and if I always act on them it wouldn't be contributive.

As for Sinny, I still would have expected her to be far more aggressive as it should have come naturally to her if she was town. Less so as a mafia perhaps.

Gopher... I can't see any solid scum tells on him atm.

Blarraun is pretty null read if I couldn't attribute it to his calm nature it would be a town-lean atm.

And Space is still absent.

That said

Vote Quicktwist

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

A counter claim is not a dead certainty - why would it be? If the ‘real’ blue is currently under the radar and wishes to remain there, they will.

This is shitty reasoning on your part. Because playing with this assumption in mind when you publicly accept the option that Hado is blue goes against what the hidden role expects you to do anyway. If this is what you believe then you should at least pretend to take the bait and leave Hado alone for the time being, before there's opportunity to off him as confirmed scum.

You could have piled on to me here, and comparatively my contribution was lesser. Why, then, did you omit me entirely from this decision and swing for Yellow, who we now know to be town? Yellow did an excellent job of defending herself. It seems to me that she was bandwaggoned because people were picking up on a disparity between her normal and game demeanours… which reeks of bullshit.

I was considering it. I wanted to lynch you that night for two reasons. You aren't trustworthy and your intuitive rambling does for poor reasoning and is unsubstantiated. I find your town value very low and I can't read what you're doing.

I may as well vote you right now as I'm looking for better targets. I'm not going to vote on Shapelog because if he's inactive today RB promised to remove him regardless, so it would be a waste of effort to even bother with that guy.

Vote PMJPMJ

 

[Hadoblado]

*mumbles*

'oh don't mind me just the only confirmed town with a simple request and oh look what'ya know the only person with a vote on the board'.

Vote you morons.

Preferably for the people who aren't here. It's getting pretty boring seeing people tunnel only those in their immediate vicinity. Activity is something town do. Stop actively accusing each other of doing nothing and point your sticks at the people who are actually doing nothing.

@QT, Gopher, Spacedog, Sete
I need you in here. Gopher you should seriously think about getting a replacement if you can't post more. This is bullshit. All of the experienced people are alurk, and while I don't want to lynch experienced players first I will if I have to.

It is fucked up that I have to squeeze every drop from this stone. I'm a fucking blue role who scripted to post less. And yet if I'm not here town dies to nothing. Bullshit. I felt so good about player contribution day one and now it all falls to shit. Remind me never to let people lynch Yellow again.

 

[Hadoblado]

Vote: Quicktwist

 

[PmjPmj]

@PMJ
Let me simplify.

Translation: "Mur! Derp derp! DEERP!"

*complex intensifies*

It would be stupid for town to lynch someone that is likely blue.

"Likely" isn't a given. This is my issue. People believed you because of factors outside of the game, i.e. you're a nice guy and so you must be telling the truth. This in and of itself is not objective, and I sort of resent that. More power to you if you are false-claiming, though: I too would leverage such trust were I in the position to do so (in terms of forum popularity - I'm not inferring any alignment within the game).

You would have to have the most incredible certainty that I was red if I claim and there's no response. Because if you kill me you lose a blue role. There's more to lose, it's less likely you're right (because no counter-claim), and if I am scum, I'm already caught because there's at least one blue role out there who knows my claim is false.

So as scum, I'm already a dead man walking. As tracker, I'm too valuable to risk (even if the role does feel weak).

I guess it's not utterly obvious to the uninitiated, but it's very well established and it's a bit hard to believe that you would be so certain of your read day one that you'd tunnel through an unanswered blue claim.

Now you come back and you're so fixated on whether or not you look stupid, you're defending yourself against attacks that happened yesterday that to my knowledge nobody even cares about at the moment.

If you are town, stop fixating on cases that can't be made and attacks that are no longer relevant, and hunt scum. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing you've done in both this game and the last is tunnel me and yell at passers by like that man at the bus stop selling pencils from a cup. You're still not voting people. You're just suggesting that some people should be suspected. Believe me when I say I'm not accusing you of being scum, but what you're doing is scummy.[/QUOTE]

I get all of that, and have moved on from it. I hate to bring it up, but it all comes down to typology. What you perceive as 'tunelling' is just me being me: I have good instincts, and I pursue the end goal with fervour. I do this in RL, except here it's far more effective because I have a lot more data to go on. Here, things are lost in translation, and I am in an environment which is still somewhat foreign to me.

... so whilst I concede that my 'tunnelling' could well be a bad move, I fucking hate the lot of you for calling me stupid.

I have feelings too, you know.

;_;

 

[PmjPmj]

Oh, sorry. I missed some quote marks.

*Calls RB*

Please clean up for me, RB. I shat the bed again.

*sits in idiot corner, silently sobbing*

Alternatively, if someone confirms that they have seen the post / screenshots it, can I edit myself? Fair is fair, surely?

 

[redbaron]

Don't edit. You can just quote the part you want fixed and just EBWOP it yourself. I fixed the spoiler because I didn't want clutter, but generic mistakes you can fix.

 

[PmjPmj]

This is shitty reasoning on your part. Because playing with this assumption in mind when you publicly accept the option that Hado is blue goes against what the hidden role expects you to do anyway. If this is what you believe then you should at least pretend to take the bait and leave Hado alone for the time being, before there's opportunity to off him as confirmed scum.

Shitty reasoning, or different reasoning? To me, your reasoning sounds utter toss - why the fuck should I acquiesce? I don't give a shit what the herd does; I'll make my own damn mind up, cheers.

(twat <3)

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I know cunt, that's why I like you ; ).

Okay, there's far too much lurking going on here, I'll go after QT in hopes people stop lurking, but if they don't things are looking pretty grim.

Unvote PMJ
Vote QuickTwist

 

[redbaron]

Vote Count
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QuickTwist (3) - Hadoblado, Sete, Blarraun

Not voting - Gopher, Sinny, QuickTwist, Shapelog, Pmj

Day ends in this much time
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[Hadoblado]

Okay good. Thanks guys.

<3 Sete

I'm headed to bed.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Also Sinny, I'm not sure why did you write so much about me. Are you trying to undermine my position by any chance? Or were you trying to boost your activity by writing an essay on me to pretend you're working hard? If you give me so much support people will begin to suspect us both.

I can't return the favour right now, I'm glad that you're active at least, I wish everyone were active, but you're a slightly suspected read right now. PMJ is a null read as well because I buy into his "I'm too busy" story.

I can't say much about Gopher, Shape and QT and they are my prime suspects since they are so inactive.

Hado is my hope and I'm not touching him right now. Sete is a green read for me at the moment, he isn't doing anything wrong.

 

[Sinny91]

Also Sinny, I'm not sure why did you write so much about me. Are you trying to undermine my position by any chance? Or were you trying to boost your activity by writing an essay on me to pretend you're working hard? If you give me so much support people will begin to suspect us both.

I can't return the favour right now, I'm glad that you're active at least, I wish everyone were active, but you're a slightly suspected read right now. PMJ is a null read as well because I buy into his "I'm too busy" story.

I can't say much about Gopher, Shape and QT and they are my prime suspects since they are so inactive.

Hado is my hope and I'm not touching him right now. Sete is a green read for me at the moment, he isn't doing anything wrong.

Ugh, leave the men alone for 5 minutes and they all turn into cave men

I've got to get in the shower, I'll be back to explain myself shortly.

 

[Sinny91]

Vote Gopher

See that? My votes where my mouth is.

 

[Sinny91]

Okay so I sat back down to smoke.. I'm not Buddying you B, I was sharing just sharing my thoughts..

I'm not sure if I like the QT wagon. PMJ, Hado said to you what I would have said.

Hado's right, we really need the lurkers to reappear.. I had well developed idea's earlier on, but now the relative silence is just posing me more questions and paranoia.

 

[Sinny91]

Vote Gopher

See that? My votes where my mouth is.

Oops, was supposed to have quoted that not edit it.

 

[redbaron]

Vote Count
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QuickTwist (3) - Hadoblado, Sete, Blarraun
Gopher - (1) - Sinny

Not voting - Gopher, QuickTwist, Shapelog, Pmj

Day ends in this much time
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[The Gopher]

@QT, Gopher, Spacedog, Sete
I need you in here. Gopher you should seriously think about getting a replacement if you can't post more. This is bullshit. All of the experienced people are alurk, and while I don't want to lynch experienced players first I will if I have to.

Yeah I’m really sorry guys that I have to replace out. This morning breathing deeply caused pain and later in the day upgraded to stabbing pains in my shoulder and that’s without typing. I had a shower just now and I literally can’t bend my back more than 10% which is ridiculous. I have a new physio/routine and that always sets things off but sometimes it takes up to a week to stabilize. (Although that was my knee) Also I was told to focus on my posture a heap and avoid the computer and even just typing that I realised I had dropped my shoulder thing as soon as I started typing. So the options are literally I don’t use the computer for a day or two and maybe I’ll be able to play after that or simply replace now and hope you guys can win it. It’s looking good so far with no nk and with Hado pretty much confirmed (although reading PMJ’s post there’s technically two possibilities he isn’t but the whole point is that even if he isn’t at any point a “lurking” role could claim and we have one mafia caught so what’s the point of lynching a potential town role now?) I was going to give you the option of if I stayed or replaced but if I can’t pressure people and talk I’m not much use to you and I feel useless as it is.

My reasons for voting Yellow are the same as they were before the lynch. In short I didn’t like switching the wagon onto someone who is an experienced player that I had a mild town read on. (Particularly when he wasn’t here to defend himself)

At this point I still read intuitively Sinny as not the Sinny from last game however, don’t ancestor worship as I said RB was town last game. I’m fairly confident on the Sinny read though which is why I said it. Also if you are actually idiots... don't lynch Hado.

RB I need my replacement

Good luck.

 

[redbaron]

No worries, on it now.

 

[Sinny91]

Well, I'm going out shortly.. and everything seems to have come to a standstill.

1. Pmj - Active
2. Gopher - Being replaced
3. Yellow - Lynched
4. SnuggleBass - Asleep
5. Seteleechete - Active, ish.
6. Sinny - Here, for now.
7. Spacedog - AWOL.
8. QuickTwist - AWOL.
9. Blarraun - Has been here.

My views are as are, until I have anything new to go off.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I'm here for what it's worth...
Seems the game will be forfeit if people don't show up.

 

[PmjPmj]

Sorry guys, just checking in for a quick catch-up. My evening became unexpectedly busy.

If I don't collapse into a sleep coma within the next couple of hours, I'll try to post something. Failing that, it'll be tomorrow morning.

 

[Sinny91]

QT.. Dude, where are you?

I'm staying in now, btw.

 

[redbaron]

Fukyo has replaced The Gopher! Welcome Fukyo!

 

[Sinny91]

Fukyo has replaced The Gopher! Welcome Fukyo!

Excellent.. Fukyo.. How far are you behind, in terms of being caught up?

Do you have any obvious suspects?

 

[Fukyo]

Excellent.. Fukyo.. How far are you behind, in terms of being caught up?

Do you have any obvious suspects?

Obvious? No, but I have some hunches.


I'm feeling ill atm, but since the day ends in less than 2 hours, I'll try to get some thoughts out.


I wasn't super attentive to the thread but I have a few impressions:


Hadoblado is being pretty erratic. His way of talking seems intentionally convoluted. It's raising some red flags for me.


Blarraun is being his usual composed self. Who knows what could be lurking behind his composure.


As for you Sinny. I was attuned to your exchanges with Yellow prior to her lynching. (which was a damn shame, RIP Yellow)


I will note you were pretty eager to lynch Yellow. Prior to the reveal of her role I felt that due to your rough personality it would be stereotypical to cast you as Mafia, whereas it would be some delicious piece of irony if Yellow, the goody two shoes were to be mafia. I actually thought, knowing Yellow, that she'd get some sick satisfaction out of plotting to kill townies.

However, you didn't give many good reasons as to why you thought she was Mafia. I will note again, that you were really intent on lynching her. Could it be because you wanted to eliminate her knowing she was a townie? This is not clear to me.

 

[Sinny91]

I was so intent simply because she was the only person I was having consistent mafia related thoughts in regards too, and I decided to make a conviction out of it.

A Town lynch is likely on day one regardless, so I thought I'd single out a target and zone it on it.. to demonstrate that I mean business when it comes to scum hunting my targets.

It was unfortunate.

 

[Sinny91]

I'm not happy with the QT lynch..

B, are you still here? We need to talk quick, I didn't even realise the time.

 

[Sinny91]

PMJ, you still here?



 

[Fukyo]

I'm not happy with the QT lynch..

Yeah, speaking of that... I was going to say it seems pretty lazy to cast votes on people bc they're either inactive or overly active. I can see that sort of reasoning in some of the votes.

 

[redbaron]

Vote Count
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QuickTwist (3) - Hadoblado, Sete, Blarraun
Gopher - (1) - Sinny

Not voting - Fukyo, QuickTwist, Shapelog, Pmj

Day ends in this much time (currently 25 hours)
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Updated vote count to include Fukyo's name. Am sending a warning PM to QT and Shapelog to pick up activity as well.

 

[Sinny91]

Oh, ha.. I read that we had 1 hour left, not one day.. aha.

In that case, I'm going to finish this bottle of vodka and play the Sims.

 

[Hadoblado]

Hey Fukky <3

Thanks for replacing.

K we've got another day before lynch, but nothing has happened in the last 24 hours so we're kind of behind schedule in that regard.

To clarify, time passes at 1/3 speed. So mafia days cycle is 48 hours of daylight 'talk phase', then a lynch and 24 hours of night 'break phase', after which all night actions (mafia gets to kill one person, I get to track one person, if there's a doctor, they get to save one person) occur and day begins again.

And yes I'm being erratic, but for you (and I'll get others to confirm I'm not just bullshitting), I'm kind of confirmed town. By roleclaiming as tracker, I am either tracker or scum. If I'm scum, there's already at least one town member who knows it and can get me killed at any time by counterclaiming. Some newer players are having difficulty understanding this, but if you've got access to Gopher's notes this should be confirmed, or Blarraun can tell you, or (when they're on), QT or spacedog can confirm. I know you aren't in a position to counter-claim since I know I'm actually tracker.

If Fukyo doesn't have them already, I assume she can have access to Gopher's notes? They might help bring her up to speed (if he wrote any)