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INTPf Mafia #3: Do you even rift?

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Vote Spacedog

Okay I'm out the door. I'm hoping I'm not making a huge mistake here, Gopher you had the opportunity to be much more decisive but instead you half-arsed. Unfortunate.

Um, no, fuck you. :D

To be very explicit about my intentions before the lynch. I full arsed on Yellow but said if the alternative was you getting lynched I wouldn't. If people were to switch and make it 2,2,2 or you were to be the top lynch I would avoid the no lynch with either Spacelog or PMJ (or anyone for that matter).
 

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I'm indecisive but both Yellow and Shapelog have similarly low town value.

I'm going to sleep so this is my last choice. I'm going with Yellow. Sorry this is how your performance went, but your death will not be in vain if you're clear. Spacelog I'd kill, but he's just lurk and lurk-wins don't count anyway, I'll have at least some consolation if I make the wrong call here.

Vote Yellow
Probably true. Though, I'd like to think that my flip will leave some good info behind, therefore proving valuable enough to town to result in a town win.

Avenge me!

Vote PMJPMJ Not that it counts for much, but you're right. IF shapelog is town, it won't tell us anything.
 

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* This thread is slow af for me too.
* My cousins girlfriend is laughing over the multitasking which I am doing right now.
 

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Yellow (4) Gopher, Seteleechete, Sinny, Blarraun
Hadoblado (2) QuickTwist, Pmj
Pmj (1) Yellow
Spacedog (1) Hadoblado

Not voting: Shapelog

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Not voting: Shapelog, Yellow, Blarraun

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Oh fuck, just saw the claim, that really sucks.

Someone catch me up, why the hell hasn't Pmj or Yellow unvoted Hado?

Vote: Pmj
 

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THE POST BOX AT THE BOTTOM WOULDN'T LOAD

Also like Blar said (although I kinda disagree with what he exactly said my point is more) what did lynching happy actually achieve last game? If we lynch Spacelog we potentially lose a strong experienced player and don't get any reads out of it.
 

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Hadoblado (2) QuickTwist, Pmj
Pmj (1) Yellow
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Not voting: Shapelog

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Dude, you are to maths, as I am to English.

I'm fookin Irish
 

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Oh fuck, just saw the claim, that really sucks.

Someone catch me up, why the hell hasn't Pmj or Yellow unvoted Hado?

Vote: Pmj

An excellent question. Yellow is at 4 votes, hado voted space, yellow and you on PJM atm.
 

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Woah uhh okay, be really careful about changing votes now with the forum lag we could easily end up on a no lynch.
 

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Oh fuck, just saw the claim, that really sucks.

Someone catch me up, why the hell hasn't Pmj or Yellow unvoted Hado?

Vote: Pmj

Had a list of cote counts, didn't see this one. Pmj is sketch as fuck for not unvoting Hado given he saw the claim. We lynch that unless he unvotes.
 

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Plz QT or Hado change to Yellow so no chance of no-lynch.
 

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Yellow (4) Gopher, Seteleechete, Sinny, Blarraun
Pmj (2) Yellow, QuickTwist
Hadoblado (1) Pmj
Spacedog (1) Hadoblado

Not voting: Shapelog

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DAY HAS BEEN EXTENDED 15 MINUTES BECAUSE OF FORUM LOADING ISSUES
 

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QT, the day ends in literally 10 minutes. The votes are 4 on Yellow and two, two on the other two. If anyone on Yellow switches we could end up with a no lynch unless people double switch. The lag is taking me up to 5 minutes per post sometimes. No idea why PMJ or Yellow didn't switch initially hence my vote.
 

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Dude, you are to maths, as I am to English.

I'm fookin Irish

HAHAHA.

It's the loading times I swear!

I'm actually good at maths :mad:
 

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QT, Yellow is still heavily on Hado, She only changed when it looked like she would be cleared by doing so. We had a problem until you came to have 4 votes on her min so no no-lynch actually.
 

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An excellent question. Yellow is at 4 votes, hado voted space, yellow and you on PJM atm.

I don't think I have time to catch up currently. I'm leaving my vote on Pmj, this dies today.
 

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Well at least if someone does switch to make a no lynch at this point we can all be really mad at them. :beatyou:
 

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Yellow (4) Gopher, Seteleechete, Sinny, Blarraun
Pmj (2) Yellow, QuickTwist
Hadoblado (1) Pmj
Spacedog (1) Hadoblado

Not voting: Shapelog

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DAY HAS BEEN EXTENDED 15 MINUTES BECAUSE OF FORUM LOADING ISSUES
 

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My biggest suspicion is still QT. He feels intuitively wrong which is the main reason. I also really dislike his lack of initiative I think he has seen that this role seems to work and is trying to play it out. But he doesn't stand a chance of getting enough votes atm so w/e. I can't read Space. I am not as town leaning on gopher anymore but I still hesitate to vote that atm.

Yellow is if only slightly more suspicious than PJM if only still slightly. Maybe both of them are just overly active. I wouldn't vote blar over either atm. My trust in Yellow atm is really low though. I am still deeply considering if PJM or Yellow is more likely. Since it seems to boil down to them atm.
By the way, what happened to the whole QT thing? Why the sudden intensity (other than my prodding)?
 

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@Gopher, @Sete, @Sinny, @Blarr,

Why is Yellow more Scummy than Pmj?
 

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Sete and Gopher will have fun when I flip green :D
 

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Nearly equal actual, I personally consider her inconsistencies worse than PJM and I also consider here stance on Hado to be more significant than it coming from PJM since it is something that might come natural from him, but less so from Yellow.
 

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Plz QT or Hado change to Yellow so no chance of no-lynch.

So Hado is clear, ya? But why try and convince your Scum read to change their vote?

I'm not budging unless someone gives me a good reason why Yellow is more Scummy than Pmj.
 

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Will you take a bad reason? He talked last game about how he hated people claiming and felt it was bad for the game and no fun. Also he seems more like last game and when both Yellow and PMJ did equally stupid things I'll go with the one who I have a read on. Also Yellow gives more information on a flip still and I have a meta to read him off for the future compared to Yellow. Also PMJ isn't going to emotionally manipulate me. #PTSD
 

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@Gopher, @Sete, @Sinny, @Blarr,

Why is Yellow more Scummy than Pmj?


The reason I stated before for Yellow.. But only I'm in a position to understand or fully believe me..

Taking into account PMJ's personality and type.. He still seems town to me.
 

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Is day finished?
 

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The reason I stated before for Yellow.. But only I'm in a position to understand or fully believe me..

Taking into account PMJ's personality and type.. He still seems town to me.
OMG! DO SOMETHING!!
 

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Meta reads are no good with like 2-3 games played. This is basic mafia theory. That said, PR can sometimes come across Scummy, that's why I totally believe Hados claim.

I already gave my reasons for Scum reading Pmj. If you don't like those, I don't know what to tell you.
 

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Oh if Yellow flips red and I die. Look into QT and Blar for obvious reasons. I'm not going to give reads because last time I read RB as green and that may have influenced the game too much.

Game will probably be over by the time this post goes through.
 

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DAY HAS ENDED! VOTES ARE FINAL AND NIGHT-TIME HAS BEGUN!

DO NOT POST!
 

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Yellow (4) Gopher, Seteleechete, Sinny, Blarraun <<--- LYNCH!
Pmj (2) Yellow, QuickTwist
Hadoblado (1) Pmj
Spacedog (1) Hadoblado

Not voting: Shapelog

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Yellow has been lynched Day 1, she was a VANILLA TOWNIE

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Moderator Note: Shapelog has received a warning for the no-vote (turns out his internet died due to storms in his area) - if anyone no-votes on any following days, you'll be modkilled.

You've been warned.
 

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Day breaks on the rift. A quick headcount reveals that no one has died during the night.

Day 2 begins!

Post away!
 

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I'm gonna take you telling us to 'post away' as permission to open the thread.

Worst.

Host.

Ever?
 

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Nice other blue role dude whatever you did. I've got some thoughts but I'm not going to say them because I might be helping scummers find doc. Whoever you are and whatever you are you done good!

Not sure whether I should post what happened with my night action. Is it better to see what people do when they're not reacting to my information? For me I think it is. How about I reveal it later on? In 24 hours? That way I get to see people's untainted reactions, but the lynch is still informed. This will only work if people don't wait up on the information, so as town you need to not be lazy. What do you guys think?
 

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So we made a mistake in regards to Yellow, and I played a large part. I am sorry to an extent.. but shit happens, and hopefully her lynch will not be in vain. I stand by what I said in regards to Yellow not seeming upfront or confident.. I thought she was playing a mafia game similar to mine.. But it transpires she simply was a Vannila Townie, who didn't convince me, for one, of her Townliness. I note that her suspicion started with me, moved to Hado, then to Gopher then back to Hado. With PMJ thrown in there too.

I think Blarraun started the game tentatively, proceeded cautiously, and in fair logic. He picked up on the same uncertainties I had in regards to Yellow and applied some pressure on her.. He soon after came under fire from Gopher and Hado, Hado explained his stance against Blarraun as mostly one driven by self preservation. I didn't wholly buy Gophers case on Blarraun, and I think Blarrauns defense in return to Gopher was reasonable. Blarraun was accused of being low key and passive, I note that he has since injected more energy and determination into his play.. He has come under continued pressure from Goph, but he has not cracked and slipped any scum tells as far as I can tell. He did initially suspect Hado as scum but came around to the idea that Hado is most likely the Blue Role. He also retracted his vote on Yellow coming round to the idea that she was playing as inexperienced town would.

Gopher's case on Blarraun didn't come all at once, but bit by bit. I just found it weird that even after Blarraun defended himself reasonably, Gopher still resorted to casting his vote on blarraun based on 'statistical' game play. Verdict: FoS Gopher.

Hado, I did read him as Town, and him being Blue Role tracker certainly adds perspective to his passivity. If he's scum and pulling some sort of gambit.. Well, that's some audacity. As it happens I'm inclined to believe hm because I think I know who the other Blue Role is.

Hado and Blarraun, yellow and QT have all pointed FoS at PMJ. I'll admit, I'm torn between whether his Ni is doing it's INTJ thing, or whether he actually did roll scum. There is some disparity between what he says and what he does... But I'm not sure if he's aware of it? Verdict: FoS PMJ.

Spacelog: Seems town to me, and a confident one at that. But I need to eradicate some variable before he gets the rubber stamp of approval.

Sete: I actually disagree with a number of Sete's reads. I note that he's playing with an air confidence.. I'm trying to determine the source of that confidence. Verdict: Under Scrutiny.

QT: All his posts seem pro town logic.. But I'd like to see more engagement.

I now look to Hado for any clue's he might have.
 

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@Blarraun
You've been confusing with your game in general, but one area in which you were thinking clearly was with the role logic. I would like to see what you think this night's events mean for my role claim. Because it's still not a 100% yet. Why?
 

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Everyone else who voted for Yellow you need to explain yourself in detail.

Thanks Sinny.

QT, you held strong against the lynch on Yellow. You did not bandwagon. If you find the time could you please outline all of your reasonings for going on PMJ? Quote and collate even? Thanks.

Bassdog has been quiet. RB says his internet has been in tatters. I assume that since he has not been replaced that he will be posting again today. Sorry for trying to kill you buddy <3
 

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Nice other blue role dude whatever you did. I've got some thoughts but I'm not going to say them because I might be helping scummers find doc. Whoever you are and whatever you are you done good!

Not sure whether I should post what happened with my night action. Is it better to see what people do when they're not reacting to my information? For me I think it is. How about I reveal it later on? In 24 hours? That way I get to see people's untainted reactions, but the lynch is still informed. This will only work if people don't wait up on the information, so as town you need to not be lazy. What do you guys think?

Nice you have a hit. If someone claims BP then say it obviously (well after everyone has time to counter claim), if not it's probably best to hold off.

On a side note I had nearly 14 hours sleep last night and a hot shower and just typing this is starting to cause problems. I'll give it a day just in case it's a bad period if not I'll replace.

Sucks about Yellow.
 

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Not Voting - Hadoblado, Sinny, Shapelog, Gopher, QuickTwist, Pmj, Sete, Blarraun

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Yeah it sucks about yellow but honestly? I'm pretty fkn happy.

Vote SpaceDog

I do need to see you come back in and contribute. Since you haven't been replaced, but you have communicated with RB, you do intend on having sufficient internet to post. I need to see you use it.

If you really wanted to impress, and I'm not suggesting you do this but if I was, RB has already given me the clear to ask prod for QT's games and I see no reason that wouldn't extend to you, you could voluntarily supply links to your other games to show us how uniform your internet use has been. Ask RB first if you like.

If your use was consistent across games, it wouldn't prove you town or scum, but it would control for the disruption your internet outage has caused town. It's bad enough you missed a bunch of day one, that there need be any doubt as to whether your issue is real just further exacerbates the issue.
 

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The power roles will come out of either one column or one row out of the matrix. That means there will be at least one power role, but there may be as many as 3.

vote Sinny

Yes, that's basically it.

I voted Sinny because she was my best lead at the moment.

I think it's best to always have a vote on someone. Now, I figured this game would start out with RVS, only Sinny decided to make herself a less-than-random target.

Here's how I see it: our first priority is to hunt down mafia members. Our second is to encourage proper scumhunting. Saying "I've drawn townie" right out the gate is either some kind of WIFOM scum tactic, or it's lazy town.

Statistically, online mafia games favor scum because we lack the ability to read facial expressions. In a forum like this, we have the advantage of knowing each other, and possibly gleaning tells, but looking at previous games, scum has to do is play half-assed, and they win be default. Our best chance of winning is a mafia lynch on day 1.

Now, I know the easy counter-argument is that there's nothing to hunt when you're the first poster. But still why announce your supposed role? The follow-up OMGUS vote didn't help. Again, it's either scummy or lazy.

I won't pretend to know for sure that Sinny is scum. I'm not even sure it's beyond 50/50, but I think we need to use our votes, even if we switch them 3 times a day. If she gets her act together, I'll remove the vote from her. If she keeps throwing out scummy behavior, I'll leave it on (obviously, I have to sleep at some point, and I work, so there may be 8-12 hour delays). Either way, scummy or lazy, we all benefit from applying a little pressure on her. She'll either confirm herself town when she shapes up, or she'll confirm herself scum by withdrawing from attention or making a slip/throwing an empty fit.

Also, before anyone asks, the purpose of having a vote on someone at all times is that you're contributing better in a multi-time-zone game. If I go to bed and she keeps throwing scum signs, well, you can all toss on the votes, and I'll help lynch a potential scum in my absence. If not, it'll just be a harmless lone vote when I come back tomorrow, which is no more dangerous than a nonvote. So really, always-on voting is a good idea day 1 (obviously, things change as our town-to-mafia ratios do).

There, a wall of text on page 1.

P.S. Without post-posting-editing, you'll all find how shitty my writing can really be.:phear:

Jesus Christ, that post was a mess, and I tried to clean it up, too.

tl;dr
-my vote on Sinny isn't crazy certain, but I'm happy leaving it there for now
-I don't think lazy townliness is much better than scumminess
-day 1 voting is good, and helps with our timezone issue

Probably cast a random vote.

I don't like this either. Still trying to say you're town by saying you're town. If you're town, then your actions will reflect that. You don't need to repeat "I'm town" over and over. It looks scummy, it's distracting, and it's not helpful.

@Sinny, this is probably my last post tonight, as it's nearing 11pm for me.



It's still going. I think I've learned a lot. We're like a week in and halfway through day 1 though, so I'm still in uncharted waters here. Either way, it's fun :D

And please note that my always-voting theory is really only a solid thing day one. Obviously, if we're in a "it takes 3 to lynch" situation and there's only 5 of us, I'm not going to let a vote sit there and disappear for 8 hours unless I'm dead certain.

Finally, I want to reiterate that I'm not certain that Sinny's scum. I'm just most comfortable leaving my vote on her for the/my night. Since there are at least 7 townsfolk this round, I don't believe she'll get 5 votes on her between now and tomorrow without more substantial evidence of scumminess.

True. This is a different context. I'm not judging you as person, I'm judging you as a player in a game where the entire point is to judge players. I get to let loose the reigns, in a manner of speaking.
Everyone is either scum or town, since RB's matrix doesn't include outside roles. Also, everyone is trying to appear town, the only way we know someone is town is by their actions. You just decided to claim town out the gate. That's lazy play. So... unless you wanna claim a PR (which will still just be town or mafia, and would still be lazy play), you're either scum or lazy town. We've run out of variables. Dammit, woman!

The only way to hop out of the rut is to start scum-hunting. Feel free to start with me, since I'm the biggest bee in your bonnet. At least it'll be some show of effort.As a side note, RVS is the first stage of the game, and stands for Random Voting Stage. The point of RVS is to get out of RVS. Your very first post was enough to get us out of RVS. Thank you for jump-starting the game! :DYou guys do have a good point. This isn't crazy behavior for Sinny. Still, it was a good place to start until I had someone better. I might come back to Sinny later, but for now,

unvote Sinny


You are all saying what I was thinking. Sete's argument seems quite decent too.
The awkwardness of this defense worries me some. Sete's was just one vote against you, and it would blow over quickly. It also strikes me as too defensive. I don't get why you're trying to talk so much and contribute so little. You keep saying that Day 1 is so telling. You seem to be trying to get everyone to do a the telling (which I actually appreciate a lot), but you're doing little telling of your own.

Now, you say that you're having anxiety issues, and I believe you, but, that doesn't mean you're town. Just like I believe that Blarraun is moving to a new city, but that doesn't make him town. Just like I believe Gopher when he says that he wants to lurk a little more, but that doesn't make him town. Just like I believe that PMJ is sick, but that doesn't make him town. Just like I have no idea where the fuck Shapelog is, but that doesn't make him town.


This is such a strange thing to say too, when you consider everything else you'd said thus far. First, how on earth can anyone be read as town yet? This itself seems like you're trying to placate QuickTwist, even though there's little to placate. (I've run out of finding-quotes-steam, here) Same with your joke about sidling up to PMJ. It was clumsily done. You're trying to make us see you a certain way and simultaneously pretend you're not trying to make us see you a certain way.

I'm also uncomfortable with your pressure on QuickTwist to access his previous games, especially after the mod discouraged it. It's another awkward distraction.

vote Hadoblado

I've been wary of the town reads I've seen thrown around, but this (combined with the other posts) seems like townish behavior. I'm not saying it's a green card, but I imagine that the scum response would be to keep pushing Hado once you had someone (and possibly more people) agreeing with you.

I still think Hado's a better lead than Sinny at the moment, and I haven't got much else yet, so I'm leaving my vote where it is.

Wait, did someone ask me questions that I didn't answer? I'm not a super-meticulous reader (since I read really slowly when it's word-for-word). If there are any questions for me or things I've failed to address, please don't hesitate to point it out or say it again.

I AM NOT FOOD!

Also, I'd like to know why you're reading QuickTwist as scummy. Or me for that matter, but I figure it's really just an OMGUS.

Do you have something substantial to present on him?

Spoiler for whining
I had a 5-day weekend. It ended Monday morning (about 12 hours after the game started). I'm catching up, I have an employee out and 2 clients relapsed while I was gone. So I've been trying to keep up without making excuses for my absence, but I think it's affected my energy level. I really wanted to play without filters. I spend my whole life self-censored. This game seemed like the perfect place to not be so composed. Unfortunately, I am especially restrained when busy/stressed (which I realize is opposite the way real humans operate). It sucks. Anyway, I will try to keep up the abrasive guns-blazing fun, but I might regress to being a more reasonable person from time to time.



Sinny: I'm still annoyed by the laziness of her approach. Town's job isn't to convince people they are town, their job is to play for a town win. In the last game, I saw so much time spent trying to claim town (by everyone, not her in particular), and I think that's a major reason why mafia won. So when she started out with "I'm town", it was irksome. My thought was "this is scummy, but even if she is town, we're not going to win with this kind of dead weight".

Sete: Is confusing. When I think about it, I get stuck in a WIFOM circle. I don't think deliberately adding to confusion is a healthy town behavior, but I can't tell if he's doing it deliberately.

Shapelog: I don't feel like you're saying much, though. A lot of repeats ad regurgitation. It's more like you're recapping than contributing. I haven't taken the time yet to look for a telling bias in your recaps, but it's not like they are going anywhere.

Blarraun: It's occurred to me that he could be mafia. He's posting just enough to be considered active, but the posts have a narrow feel, He's focusing on small segments of the thread, and leaving wide swaths unaddressed. I have a gut feeling like he's avoiding something. I want to come back to that too when I have more time.

Hadoblado: He's being weird. I get a feeling of misdirection. I also worry that he's going to focus more on proving he's town than on scum-hunting. I don't understand the purpose of posting a lot and saying little. Better the other way around, I think. That is, if he cares about winning the town condition. I suppose, though, that this puts him more into Sinny's category for now.

PMJPMJ: I think he's one that will manage to slip past us if he's scum. He has an some kind of abrasive charisma that at least I find hard to read. He's like Blarraun in that he posts just enough to not be a lurker, and similarly, he seems to be missing things, but I think his demeanor leaves less excuse for these lapses. I want to reserve judgement until I see more. Either that or vote him on principle. Haven't decided.

QuickTwist: I dunno. He's disappeared. I want to see more. I don't have any kind of read on him yet.

Gopher: Same.

It occurs to me as I say all this: we put ourselves in the limelight, and therefore invite scrutiny. What about those remaining on the periphery. Between PMJ, QT, Gopher, and Blar, there is likely at least one scum. I want to see more activity and/or pressure.

Was I pressed at some point? Did I miss it? What was the press about? Again, if you asked a question and you feel like I skipped it, please let me know.

Say it again, Sinny. Pretend you're doing something productive.

Yes. I'm saying it's either one or the other and neither are good for town. I'd drop it, but she keeps doing it. She keeps spewing one-liners as if we're expected to just trust her. She needs to put in the work.

@Sinny - Don't just say "Yellow is scummy". Tell me why. GAWD I sound like a writing teacher now, don't I? Tear me a new one, if you must. Make a rock-solid case against me and start the bandwagon that will get me lynched, if you think that's what's best for town.

@back to Hado, I think that deliberately holding back substance is scummy, and if all this poking and prodding doesn't work, then I might switch my vote back to her.

I backed off before (or tried) because a couple people pointed out that this is just Sinny being Sinny. I think following that train of thought is almost insulting to her. I know that right or wrong, Sinny is capable of making a case. I don't think this is asking too much.

Also, because I think you're a slightly better lead ATM, but that may change with the next few hours.

So Hado,
Who do you think is scummiest right now? Why, exactly?
Who do you think is most townish right now? Why, exactly?

Will do.

@Hado - That was unmitigated torture. I was half way through that spoiler before I realized it was just a weirdly copied copy of my previous post.

@ Everyone - This is my first/second game of mafia. I'm playing another game that started about a week ago, but is a painfully slower pace. I'm playing almost the opposite there, and this way here. I want to figure out what's most effective for producing a town-win. Games #1 and #2 on INTPf were mafia-wins.

I really want a Day 1 scum lynch, but a productive Day 1 is a reasonable consolation.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I think the only way for town to win is to focus on the win-condition. If I don't get lynched today, I'm a good candidate for a night kill. That's gonna suck, but I figure that leading by example is more effective than asking others to risk their necks. (in other words, I'm being obnoxious and I know it. It'll all be over soon, and you'll be returned to your regularly scheduled Yellow)

Back to the action.

Gopher's post was long and full of intuitive musings. He put himself out there on the record, and that's important. Good job, Gopher. However, his feelings about Hado based on his other feelings about Hado and his private conversations with Hado are circumstantial. What's most glaring, is all that talk and no vote.

And Hado, is there any truth to what Gopher implied? What I got was that he's suggesting that you flipped script (like, literally) the moment you got your role assignment.

@PMJPMJ , Quicktwist, and Blarraun - I want to get a better read on you. Please do me/us a favor, and say more.

ninja'd!

Thank you, QuickTwist

also Hado, that's crazy hard to read crossed out.

g'night

I said it affects my affect, not my participation. You're one to talk starting a game when you know you're moving. I'm participating fine. I put my explanation in spoilers to keep it out of the flow, as it wasn't very relevant and I didn't need it taking prominence. If we were allowed to edit, I would have removed it a few seconds after posting. Anyway, I was explaining my affect, and why it may seem to waver to my "normal" from time to time. Anyway, this is the last time I'm going to address it because it's a distraction from my mission.

Holy crap, I was thinking 5 to lynch this whole time and was about to call out Blarraun for not saying anything about his L-1 vote. Okay. Wow.

Anyway, I'm still really wondering WTF is up with Blarraun. And Gopher for that matter. Hado also isn't fighting the way I would expect when facing a Day 1 lynch.

@Gopher, you just made a good case against QT and Hado being in cahoots and acting suspicious, and then you voted for Blar. I'll admit that I'd put Blar about #2 or #3 on my list, but all that about them, and you pick him? Is it possible that you're throwing your vote away on purpose so you won't get blamed when Hado's lynched?

Seriously, though. You've given us a ton of encouragement for the Hado bandwagon, but no vote. Lots of puttering about "what if he's not really mafia and I'm tunneling him for no reason? I'mma tunnel some more".

I'm beginning to wonder if you know something we don't and are preparing to cover your tracks when he flips green.

Blarraun, similarly is blustering a lot. Honestly, you give the impression of being more convinced about me, and just picking Hado because he's the popular choice. Maybe it doesn't matter to you who gets lynched, as long as it isn't you or your buddy.

I may be feeling a change in the wind. For some reason, I was thinking that we're still lynching like the last game (I know, I'm retarded). Since I know I still have time to think about it, I think there's a good chance I'll change my vote soon.

FOS Gopher
FOS Blarraun

What do other people think about them? If you think I'm barking up the wrong tree, please tell me where I'm going wrong.

I don't even see the point of claiming tracker. Reading the description, it seems like the most impotent role imaginable.

However, without a decent counterclaim, I think I'm willing to believe him.

unvote Hadoblado

Gopher: I really don't like the arguments about past play habits and about past conversations. I mean, I was suspicious of Hado, but not only does it seem a little below the belt, but it seems like you're trying to make something from nothing. I really don't care that your 3rd biggest lead always ends up scum. It's really rubbing me the wrong way.

We have 3 hours, and I might switch again, but for now:

vote Gopher

(I fucking love this new bitchy Blarraun by the way)

I'd actually like to know that too.

Hang on!!

With so many roles available, Hado could be swinging into the bleachers and hoping he's picking a role that NO ONE was assigned.

What if this is just a ploy to expose our real PR's on his way out?

If Hado is scum, then he's still playing to win the scum objective. He's doing what he can at the last minute to help his scum buddy, who will be all alone against the rest of town. He's outing at least one, and getting in one last jab.

If Hado is town, then he's failing to win the town objective. He's putting his individual survival above the town by broadcasting to the mafia what his power role is, and letting them narrow down who else might be around.

Sure, you can say that if he's telling the truth and he's lynched, they'll both know anyway.

My question is, why is he still going on about it? He's said his piece, and we're all watching. Why not go back to scum-hunting? Is the supposed town objective over and done with now that he's facing a lynch?

unvote Gopher
vote Hadoblado


@Sinny & Sete, what do you think about Hado facing a lynch? Your vote isn't on him, it's on me. Why shouldn't we lynch Hado?

@Shapelog, do you think Hado is scum? Who are you voting for?

@Blarraun, if not Hado, then who?

Why aren't you guys making more noise in his defense?

dammit. Gopher ninja'd.

Though nicely timed! :D

I mean you posted basically what I posted (except the me part) and beat me to it by 3/0 minutes.

Okay, in case I do get lynched (I might get pulled away)

Sinny: I think her withdrawal is strange. She STILL hasn't done much, and could be thinking her lucky stars that her time of scrutiny was early in the "day", allowing other players to take the heat when everyone's ready to get down and dirty. It buys her way into Day 2 without a scratch.

PMJPMJ: I can't get ahold of him, but the way he's locking onto Hado without much transparency about why he hasn't wavered is a little concerning. We should all have at least a little doubt (seeing as only scum know for sure who's scum and who's town) but he's not admitting any doubts whatsoever.

Gopher: He's giving us feelings and hunches that can easily be shrugged off later as "whoops!" Regardless of Hado's flip, I'd really encourage everyone to put him under far more scrutiny.

Hado: My best lead because he's been deflecting this whole game. Even this role-claiming is most likely a deflection/last-ditch attempt at helping his scum buddy.

Blarraun: Deflecting a lot, and I almost get the impression that he's mirroring me? I don't know what that's about. If he's trying what I'm trying, aggressive scum-hunting, then I guess it would explain the fluctuation in perception, as I've gotten the impression he's getting from me too. Somehow though, I think he's hiding something.

Shapelog: I'm uncomfortable with the mid "day" activity and the saying nothing concrete. If he is scum, then he could just be doing what he must to avoid scrutiny. He's mostly had periods of inactivity, and he can't be pinned down as having contributed anything to what's about to be a lynch.

QuickTwist: I'm actually less suspicious of him simply because he's made a vote, made a case, and his activity timing/pattern is much like it was when he was modding the other games. I won't say I'm reading him as town, but he doesn't worry me as much as others.

Fuck! who am I forgetting?!

Seteleechete: Why are you so forgettable all of a sudden? Why aren't you trying to clinch a case against me? You vote seemed almost flippant, and then nothing. Tell them why I should be lynched over Hado.

Sorry Sete, looks like you are trying to clinch. Good job.

Remember everyone: We need a town win. Three games of mafia win will suck (and probably compromise any chance we have of this game being fun here).

I might regret it, but Hado is also acting like someone who is actually town would. He could easily let me get lynched, and he's trying to take the bandwagon off me. I can vote on Shapelog, Sinny, or Blarraun.

unvote Hadoblado

Let's focus. If not me and Hado, then who?

I can get behind Shapelog because he should be here.
Same with QuickTwist, actually, but at least he voted.

Hell, I'd get behind PMJ too, if need be. He's hard to read, and that's a liability for me.

I'm running out of time too. If there's going to be a bandwagon on someone I need to know and decide what to do.

For the record, you don't get your "ist" badge until PhD. So not a Psychologist. Just a therapist with an MS in Psych. Also, degrees don't grant superpowers (unfortunately).

Probably true. Though, I'd like to think that my flip will leave some good info behind, therefore proving valuable enough to town to result in a town win.

Avenge me!

Vote PMJPMJ Not that it counts for much, but you're right. IF shapelog is town, it won't tell us anything.

By the way, what happened to the whole QT thing? Why the sudden intensity (other than my prodding)?

Sete and Gopher will have fun when I flip green :D

OMG! DO SOMETHING!!

If someone could sum up all the vote switches that would also be nice.
 

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Everyone, please read and understand the following before posting further in this thread.

Discussing or making substantive statements based on other ongoing mafia games isn't allowed. There's no way I can stop someone from going and stalking someone else's games and forming their own ideas, however you can't use them as evidence against someone in our games.

Completed games are okay. Anything ongoing is not since it violates the concept of not having games discusses anywhere outside of the game, its players and a private spectator arena.

So as a first and last reminder: QT's current games are off-limits for using as a basis to say anything at all. As are the ongoing games of anyone else.

If people have completed games and want to share them that's okay, but under absolutely no circumstances are ongoing games allowed to be discussed.

For example:
comparing someone's activity level between two of their current games (one hypothetically off-site) is strictly forbidden.

It has the potential to affect both games and allows for all sorts of very messy cross-site shenanigans that I consider to be outright against the entire point of the game.

Thanks.
 

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Now I look like I've been dishonest (though in an utterly stupid way).

I assume that there's no way I can get you to confirm that, given my question in post 11 of my QT, and your response in 14, that there's been a miscommunication? I know you're probably reluctant to weigh in anything, but this was a shared error. You misread me, and I misread you. You weighing in now would only mitigate the damage you contributed to by misreading QT post 11.

I'll make it clear what's happened to the players:

I asked whether I was allowed to prod QT for his other games. That is, not ask him explicitly, but bring it to his attention that supplying the games would be useful to town. RB responded saying it was fine, but also seemed to be under the impression I was asking whether it was okay to call him names or whatever. To 'prod' him. I didn't really read his response cos I was just looking for permission and thought I had it.

I then used that same permission to ask spacedog.
 

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Nah, it's just a miscommunication.

I tried to explain that using previous games is okay, but that you can't use analysis of current games. By all means if people want to go and read games that other people are playing that's fine, they just can't discuss them here. On basically any site, it's not okay to discuss mafia games outside of the mafia game and there's good reason.

So I'd be annoyed if people on another site used a concurrent game I was playing here to pin me as mafia in a game I was playing on the other site and/or vice-versa and it's a way for people to basically cheat.

Since it's an avenue that not only has the potential for cheating but also to make the game more tedious and less fun, I'm not allowing it.
 

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I left my Mac a home like a tit, so I'm on my phone. Will have to go home and get it, so please be aware that my posts are coming.

FFS. So annoyed with myself. I never forget anything like this :mad:
 

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Oh lol, I understand now. I was posting from my phone and I never even mentioned the usage of concurrent mafia games from elsewhere in your QT Hado. I understand the confusion now, 100% my bad.
 
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