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Intp~the perfect criminal?

Melkor

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Well forgive me for being a little one minded, but thanks to you guys and you're general brilliance*, I've started to take an almost altogether random interest in the MBTI.
This has of course filtered into my writing/daily life, and I seem to get enjoyment from studying people and trying to figure out their personality type.

So anyway....
In light of this, and the large amount of criminal orientated writing/ studying in school I’ve been doing...
I had this little thought...

~out of all the personality types, does't the Intp seem to be the perfect mould for an excellent criminal? ~

Of course, they aren't very likely to be a criminal while a few other types are, but I think they'd make the best deviant little bugger.
(as in they'd o it properly and get away with it)

They live primarily inside their own minds, having the ability to analyze difficult problems, identify patterns, and come up with logical explanations.


likes solitude, not revealing, unemotional, rule breaker, avoidant, familiar with the dark side, sceptical, acts without consulting others

They look upon the world -- natural and civil -- as little more than raw material to be reshaped according to their design...




So a general cold calculating demeanour, a profound sense of logic, a pendant for rule breaking, the best mind for cunning plans/ analysis?


Ha...we'd also make great super villains...


Anyhoo...


Discuss.

Hands up who agrees, and anyone who disagrees, please take a leaflet.



*That’s E.B,Lor, No-id ,sage wolf, Fusion knight, A-I,Eudomenia and anyone else who makes the Intp experience possible.




 

loveofreason

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What's a pendant for evil look like?

My mother may have had one of those. :p


Seriously, would we have the motivation? Who'd actually take the action?
 
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If crimes could be committed within our own minds, I'm sure we would be great criminals.

Rebels, like Death said? Yes, easily. Probably even into illegal things if we deemed law unethical. But actual crime takes motivation.
 

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Hmmm, I agree with you that INTPs have great potential to be the perfect criminals, but where would the motivation and drive come from? INTPs can be prone to laziness (no offense, just an observation) despite their great intellect and so forth.
 

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Melkor, you destroyer of lovely butterflies (I have read your other posts), while your theory is interesting, I anticipate that it would be difficult to prove. I believe that any INTP who chose to perpetrate a crime would also be very good at getting away with it. Who knows how many INTP criminals are out there. In this light, perhaps it is fortunate that there are so few of us.
 

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I think that INTPs dont see law as THE LAW, but just as a certain set of rules made by people that are not in a better position to decide what is right or wrong / better or worse for society than anyone else. So I think that if we see fit we can break the law without much hesitation an maybe even with pride if: *We think we can get away with it / *Happened in a moment of rage / *a VERY important core value was violated. So, we would either have to think that we can avoid the hassle, not be thinking about the hassle, or the hassle is not important compared with the situation.
 

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Bears (ISTP) are frequently criminals. I suspect that INTPs would make good criminals and if they were bullied or blocked at an early age, they could adopt the criminal lifestyle.

Most of the violent criminals are ESFJ Horses. The drug dealers are this type often.

I have known INTJ criminals. Also, ESTP Panther crooks.
 
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I think that INTPs dont see law as THE LAW, but just as a certain set of rules made by people that are not in a better position to decide what is right or wrong / better or worse for society than anyone else. So I think that if we see fit we can break the law without much hesitation an maybe even with pride if: *We think we can get away with it / *Happened in a moment of rage / *a VERY important core value was violated. So, we would either have to think that we can avoid the hassle, not be thinking about the hassle, or the hassle is not important compared with the situation.
But then again...

 
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Hmmn. I think I'd hand that title over to the INTJ. Their NT-axis allows them to think and plan ahead in the most logical of manners, much akin to ours. However, if we're talking about being the perfect criminal, the J becomes crucial in such a way that you have to decide which course you should actually take to execute the perfect crime. Whereas we tend to berate ourselves thinking of all the different steps we could take or ought to have taken, the INTJ would have long followed through his/her singular, rigid plan.

This ability to accept a wide notion of possibilities makes the INTP the perfect detective though, IMO. And what a game it would be, with the perfect criminal battling it off against the perfect detective. :]

[Hmmn. This reminds me of The Devil's Teardrop. :] ]
 

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The INTPs have all necessary qualities except for the motivation. If you were to motivate one, however, watch out. I think the INTJs would be the scary ones if they decided to be evil. As for the belief that externally imposed laws are often arbitrary and do not apply to us, we INFPs are just as bad as you INTPs. I have my internal set of laws that I will not break, but if someone else makes up some random rules and starts enforcing them, any enforcement that limits my behavior is a violation of my autonomy. Those rules are not mine. I never signed up to play along. I do, however, believe in laws that exist to protect the vulnerable from those who lack mercy or are without conscience. Psychopaths don't have an appropriate set of internalized values and may need external restrictions to keep them from being harmful.
 

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This ability to accept a wide notion of possibilities make the INTP the perfect detective though, IMO. And what a game it would be, with the perfect criminal battling it off against the perfect detective. :]

[Hmmn. This reminds me of The Devil's Teardrop. :] ]

Or the anime Death Note
 

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Ah, rules, laws, and company policies, if I disagree with or don't understand the principle behind them I frequently find myself breaking them without remorse. This baffles the SJ's I know. They see the law as the law. They can't understand how I can be so disrespectful to the status quo and yet retain a clear conscience.
 

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Ah, rules, laws, and company policies, if I disagree with or don't understand the principle behind them I frequently find myself breaking them without remorse. This baffles the SJ's I know. They see the law as the law. They can't understand how I can be so disrespectful to the status quo and yet retain a clear conscience.
took the words right out of my head.
 

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Ha...we'd also make great super villains...
As INTPs we are entirely capable of being great crimminals, however it's this capacity that prevents us from actually doing it. We don't care much about laws or imposed moralities, but we are capable of calculating exactly how likely our plans are to succeed. And so there is the problem, we could be great crimminals but we understand how poor a choice crimminal actions are.

However give an INTP some sort of advantage that would make the odds more favourable and the result would be a great super villain.

Why Melkor, do you have any particular plans?
 

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There is another aspect that we are not looking at. As the saying goes "The best plans of mice and men often go astray" . Even the best cunning plan can run into a snag or two. In which case perhaps it is best to be a P. because we can improvise adapt and overcome better then a J.
 

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I often find that NTs are disproportionate in stages 5 and 6 of Kohlbergs morality and SJs in 4 or lower. I actually believe the compacity for NTs to understand, delve, and define morality means they are less likely to engaging in immorality.
 

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I am content merely contemplating which way you could land a perfect crime. Sometimes I do think of what you could possibly get away with if you wanted. :eek:

but I don't actually wanna commit crimes, I don't want to do things against people that i don't want them doing to me, now, should I have some motivation like something insane like somebody killing people i like I think the morals would go out the window -
 

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I think the INTJ's would be great criminals. The profiles I read said they were very good at coming up with back up plans. I agree that INTPs would most likely lack the motivation. Perhaps if an INTP and an INTJ teamed up. :phear:

Personally, I usually keep the rules. A sure fire way to get me riled up is to cheat at a game we're playing. I think it is pointless to play the game in the first place if you won't follow the rules. Agreeing to change the rules is an entirely different matter. I'm all for changing the rules. But, so help me, if you cheat I will beat you senseless with the board.:mad:

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Other than the cheating thing, I'm generally very pleasant when playing games. I figure if you don't want to play by whatever the rules are, then change the rules. But I am all to familiar with those who find the point of the game is to break as many of the rules as they can without getting caught. One of them would be my sister. And yet, I still play games with her. I must enjoy misery. Though, catching her could be a game in and of itself. I will have to try that outlook next time she's over.
 

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The most common types of criminal activities require you to use extrovision(or whatever). Anything from an extremely well thought out con scheme to a lowly mugging.
 

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The most common types of criminal activities require you to use extrovision(or whatever). Anything from an extremely well thought out con scheme to a lowly mugging.
I cast Level 3 Summon Decaf.
 

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If an INTP became a criminal, it would probably be for entertainment purposes.
 

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I steal carrots and ranch packages from my college's food court...just because I can.
 

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Wouldn't an INTP be interested in crime if it had to do with seeing if he could beat the system? I know I do that kind of stuff all the time. I will do something I'm not supposed to, then once I've done it I think to myself "now that I got away with it what do I do now?" And I almost never come up with anything. So I think I do it just to see if I can.
 

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Yeah...
I think an intp criminal would be akin to those insane criminal masterminds...

Hey, lets rob a bank!


Why?


To see if we can of course!
 
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The Intp would get halfway through the crime, and once he/she determined proof of concept would walk away, to the complete disbelief of his accomplices. He/She would then turn themselves in to test out how effective the escape plan is. Upon escaping, he/she would then walk back into the prison, and demand solitary confinement, a library full of books,drawing paper, and a nice hot cup of tea.
 

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The Intp would get halfway through the crime, and once he/she determined proof of concept would walk away, to the complete disbelief of his accomplices. He/She would then turn themselves in to test out how effective the escape plan is. Upon escaping, he/she would then walk back into the prison, and demand solitary confinement, a library full of books,drawing paper, and a nice hot cup of tea.
Can I skip the whole criminal attempt and just get the last part now?
 

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I cast Level 3 Summon Decaf.


Wha? What's going on?

You could certainly make an argument for extraversion (notice the spelling) being the most important ingredient for most crime (if you exclude things like fraud, malicious hacking and any number of other crimes that don't require leadership or interpersonal skills).

Maybe this will help clarify the difference between introversion and extraversion. Without extraversion, it would be impossible to maintain ties to reality. Without introversion it would be impossible to think something that wasn't presented to you by your environment. Everyone has both, and it has nothing to do with the percentage you got on your tests.

If someone (like us) has an 'I' as part of their four letter code it just means that our main self lies in the subjective inner workings of our own minds. Those with 'E' in their code primarily exist in the objective world around them, but that doesn't exclude either of those groups from experiencing the both sides of the coin. The letters just tell us which side of the coin is up.

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I think INTPs have a natural disadvantage when it comes to committing crime because their dominant decision making skill is based on their subjective self. We make decisions that appear to us as taking everything into consideration when really it just takes into consideration the things we have been made aware of and have passed down to our Ti function. In movies that makes us the main villain who allows the hero to escape. In real life it makes us a poor head man, but a useful expert. It could be hacking, a knowledge of customs technology and practices, a background in science or simply to operate as an interpreter (our tendency to be meticulous in our word selection makes us very accurate in this task if we have enough knowledge of the languages involved).

If you want to become a criminal, I would advise you to find an up and coming 'J' and become indispensable. If you don't want to take orders, just remember to lock the back door to your volcano lair.
 

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What about an INTP serial killer?
Dunno, but I think a serial killer is likely introverted and thinking. Introverted because their morality is centered in their subjective self and thinking because they tend to have a modus operandi, which is consistent with people who try to make their perceptions fit reproducible models.
 

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I can easily see an INTP becoming a serial killer. It would be fun and stimulating, in a sick way, and they would keep that entertainment entirely hidden within, so nobody could know by talking to them.
Though, an INTJ seems more likely.
 

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Have you guys ever seen Dexter? It is about a serial killer that kills killers. He shows some definite signs on being INTP. He makes a great chameleon as he works with the police force.
 

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There's this ESTJ at school who recomends dexter all the time. I probably should watch it, but I'll need to wait for the motivation.
 

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I have no idea. It's just that when you said "a serial killer that kills killers", I thought you were going to mention Death Note.
 

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I have no idea. It's just that when you said "a serial killer that kills killers", I thought you were going to mention Death Note.
I was referring to Dexter from the show Dexter. He finds killers that have escaped the legal system, and stalks and kills them, He even lays out pictures of those they have killed before them before he kills them.
 

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Yes, I figured you were when you said so a few words later in the post. :p
 

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Yes, I figured you were when you said so a few words later in the post. :p
I thought for some reason you didn't get that because of your previous posts.
 

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We are indeed the perfect criminals, because we will never be caught! (because we'll keep putting off that murder or that bank robbery...)
 

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We are indeed the perfect criminals, because we will never be caught! (because we'll keep putting off that murder or that bank robbery...)
Y'know, you're right... We make the plans that other types carry out and split the take. If we ever get arrested we'll just tell them all of our ideas and they'll just think we're weird and assume no one would ever go along with one of our crazy schemes. Even if that doesn't work it sets us up for the insanity defense :D
 

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What is it with you guys and breaking my dreams?
 

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Yeah I can plead insanity and get about a few dozen people to vouch for it!

Seriously, we'd make good criminals. Someone at my school annoyed me quite bad a few times. Quite a while later, on the last day of school in Year 12, I got him back, but of course no-one knows that it was me :)
 

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INTP the perfect criminal?

Well come on, everyone knows the INTP is the smooth criminal.

Guffaw, guffaw.

(I essentially didn't read the thread so I hope no one else beat me to the pun.)
 
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i do find myself thinking about how i would commit the perfect crime when i'm watching movies with criminals who are totally setting up a trap for themselves. "oh, my goodness! clean up the blood with bleach, you idiot!!" lol BUT! the only crime i would commit IF i had the motivation (which i totally don't. i'd probably procrastinate in the middle of commiting a one) is maybe rob the casinos in vegas
 
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