INTP or just a wannabe?

[mrpeters]

Hi!

The MBTI theory keeps occupying mind and I really need too have my focus elsewhere, i've been trying to surpress it for three days but my mind just bumps back into thinking about it. So basically that is why I am writing here, I need your help to define my personality type. I have read about 3 or 4 different descriptions about this personality type and I can relate to much of both the good and the bad traits.

But, i have started to second think my personality type since some of the traits dont really fit perfectly. 4 days ago i was really sure i was an intp but the more i read about it the more uncertain i get. All the tests ive taken so far has displayed INTP, but my understanding of how i think my mind works can differ from the reality.

you can check out my score here: http://www.mypersonality.info/saltin/

To give you something to analyse i have written some statements about me that i belive can define part of who i am.

21 year old male
Youngest in my family with two elder sisters
Divorced parents
120+iq? (scored 128 on mensas online test)
Right now i am studying statistics, micro- and macroeconomics at the university. I am myself suprised of my subjects, but i have come to thrive in the theories of macroeconomics. It gives me models to analyse the world.



Personality traits and statements about me:

postpone things

like results and take pride in getting good grades

when studying a model it can take a nights sleep before understanding it and then suddenly i just totaly gets it and i am able to see the bigger picture of the model and use the model to understand related matters.


if stuck i can sometimes have a hard time leaving the problem.

sometimes fantisies of being a hero

easily get sucked into videogames or the internet. right now i have forced myself on a "gaming diet". in the end i probably end up playing but tha no play rule is where im at now (i have gotten so tired of me postponing things)

no leader but if things starts to get out of hand and the situation needs it, i can take the lead for a while.

i tend to not start studying on a subject before i notice that it is short time left to the examination. Frequently try plan my studying because of this. Frequently fail on my plans and goals. I tend to set my goals fairly high.

disorganized and messy by nature, leave things everywhere in the apartment.

Like theory but dont tend to use it fully in practice. For instance: I got almost a kick out of reading a theory about dog practicing, but i have yet to apply it on my dog (of course some of it is applied but most of it is not).

When i play chess against the computer i move pieces just by instinct, if the computer make a good move and takes any good piece i go back and move in another way. Ive tried to read a chess strategy book but that didnt interest me much. i think its more fun to play by moving the pieces fast instead of long thought strategies. I think a maximum of 2-3 moves ahead.

Same applies to poker, i have read som theory about it but when it comes to playing poker i tend to more trust my gut feeling Works well when playing with friends, not so well when playing over internet. Tend to play very agressive poker.

I did military service as recon ranger, never quit a walk or excersice no matter how painful it was. Mostly because my fear to fail.

I have to spend much energy to start focusing when reading textbooks from school, once i get into the "zone" i have great focus. If i slip out of the "zone" my mind easily get distracted by other thoughts.

I am a bit shy when meeting new people.

If i have understanding of a theory i am very precise about how both i and others express it. I tend to correct people if they dont express it correct.

I play guitar and i play hockey.

Put high demands on myself even thou i dont always reach them.

I have fairly good confidence in my own abilities

Very open minded, seldom judge people.

Likes to settle conflicts as the arise.

Sometimes when i talk i express my words almost as if i they where absolute truths.

When i worked as a salesman i analysed almost every interaction and tried to find the best possible way to approach customers and tried to find out why people buy. Not a natural role to be that outgoing as it takes to be a successful salesman but i managed to push myself into a role. I became fairly successfull in selling.

Would like to pursue a career in the academical world, preferably in macro economics or statistics.

Sometimes when working i a group i take full responsibility and like to do all of it myself (happens mostly when i dont feel that my group members is particularly intulectual) sometimes i do only as much as i need to get by without pissing my groupmembers. What matters for me in the end is the result.

Can be very competitive. Likes to measure my grades against others.

Very eager to start new things, not so eager to finish them.

Can get super interested in a problem for a couple of days until i managed to solve it: 1 month ago i run a program that showed me that the gpu and cpu cores where running hot. I ended up dissasemble the whole laptop to find out how the cooling was solved and to find out how i could optimize it. I also dissasembled a fan to rebuild it as a pc fan. I worked out a solution in my head on how to build a pipe which uses the chill air from outside. Anyways, as soon as i had worked out all the major things needed to solve the heating issue i could let it of my mind. Still havent fixed the heating issue but i know how to solve it

Thank you for taking the time to read all this and helping me to identify myself. If you need more information, just ask

 

[AlisaD]

Why is this so important to you? If you haven't asked yourself this question you probably aren't an INTP.

Kidding, I don't know shit about the whole determining types business.

But seriously, results from a test designed by people who are already dead won't change who you are, so what difference does it make? You are you.

 

[mrpeters]

Why is this so important to you? If you haven't asked yourself this question you probably aren't an INTP.

Kidding, I don't know shit about the whole determining types business.

But seriously, results from a test designed by people who are already dead won't change who you are, so what difference does it make? You are you.

I want to find greater understanding of myself and MBTI seems like a great tool. If I reach greater understanding of how my mind works i can work with my nature instad of against. It also seem like a decent tool to understand other peoples acts and behaviour.

 

[AlisaD]

To each his own, I suppose.
So, welcome, and I hope you have fun here.

 

[mrpeters]

To each his own, I suppose.
So, welcome, and I hope you have fun here.

Thank you

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

I don't know who can tell you with certainty who you really are But, for me, discovering the MBTI system and INTP was really just finding the words and terminology to describe what I've always known about myself. It all came together for me once I took the test and after I compared INTP with the other types.

What do you mean by wannabe anyway? I could understand how someone who valued calmness and rational thinking would want to identify with it But everyone, every type has a weakness, you know. For one, I have always been an emotional child, always unsure exactly of how to deal with them when they get riled up, and exactly why I avoid them (Music seems to be a great channel for me in expressing them though...) Too, I can be a friendly person But I'm not all that personable (My family pesters me to no end about this).... and for sure am lacking in tact.

It seems as though you believe you are.

 

[RubberDucky451]

Holy balls, you certainty can write a lot about yourself. You seem pretty analytical from what I can tell.

Anyhow, I agree with Alisa: to each his own.

 

[Ska]

You sound pretty damn INTP to me. You also sound just like me after I took the MBTI for the first time. I remember reading over the description and being like "Holy shit...that's me." Then I started thinking about it more and started to doubt myself more and more as I went (and since I knew what the questions on the test were supposed to find out about me, I couldn't tell if I was just answering that because I had already tested INTP once, so the test was no longer of any use), and I eventually made a post here that was just as long or longer than yours. From what I can tell you're definitely an N (likes theory but never applies it), definitely a P (messy, likes starting things but not so much finishing them), seem I (shy when meeting new people, took a while for you to get into the salesman role (I think ENTPs would be very good at this from the start)), and you do seem to analyze a lot fo stuff, so there's your T. My best guess says you're an INTP.

I suggest looking around here more and diving further into this stuff. It gets pretty interesting. Can't say it will help you finally settle on your type, though, as I still find myself questioning my type incredibly often. It must because we see possibilities (Ne) and then analyze them (Ti), and are constantly seeking the truth. Woah, did I just solidify myself as an INTP? I doubt it matters, I'll forget I wrote this tomorrow and be back to square one

Welcome.

EDIT: Forgot to tell you how sweet it is you play hockey. It seems to be a rare thing amongst INTPs. Did you too like to demolish people?

 

[Puffy]

It took me a while to type myself. It might not be something you work out immediately -which may be difficult for yourself liking to solve immediate problems and all - but I agree that ultimately knowing one's type is a handy tool and knowing how to type others is something just as valuable. If you know someone else who is familiar with MBTI ask them about it, if not introduce it to some friends.

All I can say is do not get too wrapped up in MBTI. Some may agree, some may disagree, but I see one's type as a frame, it is filled by experience. You may have a similar frame to others around here but do not forget you are your own person with your own experiences. Perhaps a paraphrase of what AlisaD said.

 

[mrpeters]

You sound pretty damn INTP to me. You also sound just like me after I took the MBTI for the first time. I remember reading over the description and being like "Holy shit...that's me." Then I started thinking about it more and started to doubt myself more and more as I went (and since I knew what the questions on the test were supposed to find out about me, I couldn't tell if I was just answering that because I had already tested INTP once, so the test was no longer of any use), and I eventually made a post here that was just as long or longer than yours. From what I can tell you're definitely an N (likes theory but never applies it), definitely a P (messy, likes starting things but not so much finishing them), seem I (shy when meeting new people, took a while for you to get into the salesman role (I think ENTPs would be very good at this from the start)), and you do seem to analyze a lot fo stuff, so there's your T. My best guess says you're an INTP.

I suggest looking around here more and diving further into this stuff. It gets pretty interesting. Can't say it will help you finally settle on your type, though, as I still find myself questioning my type incredibly often. It must because we see possibilities (Ne) and then analyze them (Ti), and are constantly seeking the truth. Woah, did I just solidify myself as an INTP? I doubt it matters, I'll forget I wrote this tomorrow and be back to square one

Welcome.

EDIT: Forgot to tell you how sweet it is you play hockey. It seems to be a rare thing amongst INTPs. Did you too like to demolish people?

Hahaha i love to demolish them! A good game is when i get to do hitting game. Do/did you play forward or defense?

Yeah, after reading about the INTP profile i noticed how i started to answer more towards INTP traits hence the title of this thread.

The past 2 hours i have been reading more mbti theory, so far i am shure about me being an introverted intuitive type. I havent read so much about the T/F and P/J yet and since the clock is 2:45am i think ill have to leave that for tomorrow. I dont have the theory about perciving/judging yet but im also pretty shure i am P.

Ska:
My girlfriend is not so fond about the INTP profile, she thought it sounded autistic (mostly because of the inferior feeling). Any tips on how to explain that dominant thinking isnt the same as absence of feelings? By the way: I will follow your advice and try to get a friend interested on mbti!

 

[Ska]

I played forward, and loved playing center. I have a pretty grounded, thick body that I could use along the boards and in front of the net, as well as for hitting . Screening the goalie and having people try to move me might have been my favorite thing besides destroying people.

And you sound so much like me when I first stumbled upon this...I spent about two straight days reading up on it.

And I don't know if that last part was addressed to me or not (maybe you got the wrong username since the rest of the post was a reply to me but this was separated for some reason?), but I'll reply anyways. I think you should to tell your girlfriend that she needs to accept you for who you are. If she starts changing her view of you because she doesn't like your profile description she's not worth it IMHO. The fact is that we're all pre-wired a certain way that we can't change, and all this really comes down to is what cognitive functions we use and in what order. I've been in a relationship before where I wasn't being appreciated for my true self (damn ISFJs), and trust me, it's not what you want.

Oh, and dominant introverted thinking does mean that extraverted feeling is our inferior function (worst and least developed), so while it's not a complete absence of feelings, we do tend to understand our feelings less or ignore them more than most other types. But for those we do love, our love is characterized as being child-like in purity and we are very open and honest, which are all good qualities in my mind.

 

[Adymus]

1. Make a video of yourself.
2. Talk for awhile
3. Upload it somewhere; photobucket, youtube, vimeo, etc.
4. post it here, or PM it to me.
5. ????
6. Profit

If you really want to know what your type is, this is the best method. There are quite a few types that can sound like they are INTPs, but still not actually be them. Whether you or anyone else realizes this or not, the 16 types are not so distinct that you can accurately tell them apart simply by talking about yourself, there are many factors that go into how our psyche develops, and you are not necessarily going to be exactly like those descriptions say you are going to be, even if you are said type. Lucky for us, one cannot hide the physical manifestations of their cognitive functions, so post a video, and I'll read you and tell you my results.

 

[KazeCraven]

Ooo, can I do that too? I've been thinking I'm an INTP for a while, but I have serious doubts about it and would like your perspective.

Edit: sending PM. Err, video was added and removed. (Couldn't make up my mind).

 

[Ska]

My amateur typing skills say you are an INTP. You took to your right a shit ton, which is your Ti, look to the top left when you're trying to remember something (Si), and the rest of the time look at the camera (Ne or Fe). At least that's how I understand it. Also, monotone voice is a good indicator of Ti.

Side Question: Is a very monotone voice almost (accounting for the occasional exception) a dead giveaway that one is dominant Ti? Would an INFJ ever be monotone?

 

[Razare]

From what you've posted in your original post, you sound exactly like me to the point it was scary.

Adymus has me typed as an INFJ. I'm coming around to the idea, but who knows. I'd never ever test as one. Which just means the theory it's based upon may be flawed, and therefore why bother typing people at all. I'll still use it to type friends, so I guess as far as usefulness goes, it works at assisting in prediction of other people's behaviors.

Since you're so strikingly similar to me, I would wager we have the same type. Dreaming about being a super hero is all I did as a child; how I would single-handedly right the world.

Your ability to analyze people sounds like what I do too. I've really never heard this mentioned on this forum. INTP personality isn't known for it.

I used to test as an INTJ too, when I was more ambitious. After a few failures and less ambition, I ended up testing INTP. Neither boot fits the foot quite right.

 

[Razare]

Here's the post about how INFJ's appear to be INTP's and other personalities.

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7016

Ska - If I am an INFJ, then I am very monotone. This is unless you get me drunk and happy in which case Fe comes out to play. I also used Fe in my closest relationship with my ex. So I think it's likely possible INFJ's can be monotone.

 

[KazeCraven]

Okay, okay, I'm reposting the videos. I started getting all self-conscious about them, so I kept taking them down and putting them back up.

YouTube- test video: INTP?

YouTube- Thoughts on Pseudoscience

Thanks for the INFJ link. I could definitely see how I could be considered a version of the INFJ, but my studying the MBTI is getting so complex that its effectiveness is teetering towards Astrology.

And Razare, weren't you one of those guys on the infp forum before it was taken down? I remember you typing as INTP then (and typing me the same, despite my assertions to the contrary, insisting I was INFJ). That could've been a different Razare though.

 

[Razare]

And Razare, weren't you one of those guys on the infp forum before it was taken down? I remember you typing as INTP then (and typing me the same, despite my assertions to the contrary, insisting I was INFJ).

Well yeah, see you're very similar to me from the sounds of it all. Until reading that post by Adymus two days ago, I still thought of myself as an INTP. If an INFJ cuts off their Fe and uses their lower functions instead, they essentially become an INTP-like personality while still actually being INFJ. That's what Adymus asserts, anyway. You be the judge, I've been confused about my type several times now.

 

[KazeCraven]

Ok. All I know is that if this is the case, I really need to rethink Typology, and perhaps get a few courses in Adymus Typology, because INFJ does not bring up associations of these types of people.

Also, this would mean that giving people MBTI as a starting point for understanding personality is even more worthless than I thought previously.

 

[Razare]

Nah, typing people is still useful, Kaze. If someone typed me as an INTP and tried to use it to predict my future behavior, it would likely be more accurate than typing me as an INFJ. So the over-generalized labels work, I think... that is until someone defies that label by utilizing a different aspect of themselves. And let's face it, even INTP's will have non-INTP qualities that will defy that label.

 

[KazeCraven]

I went ahead and "polled the audience" (posted in the Lounge) but I do agree that it can be useful. Just... perhaps where the line should be drawn in how deep we should go if our focus is pragmatic rather than pure curiosity.

I find that most of the time, when I make minute distinctions people focus on the fact that I made such a distinction rather than what it meant, so at some point the typical human mind thwarts the process entirely.

 

[Riiscup]

I am just feeling so elated right now. Mr. Peters, I swear you just described my entire ordeal when I discovered I tested INTP. At first, I couldn't believe how well it described me. Then as I read and reread the profiles, I started questioning if this was right, perhaps I answered a question based on how I want to be instead of how I really am. Overall, it was me, but some stuff definetely wasn't me, or at least I didn't want it to be. Anyway, even your description of yourself is me except the hockey thing. I don't play the guitar, but that is on my list of things I want to do. Who knows if I'll get around to it. Oh, and I was never a recon ranger and have grown out of gaming. But other than that we are ALOT alike and we both test INTP, so maybe MBTI is on to something.

 

[Dogod]

I am just feeling so elated right now. Mr. Peters, I swear you just described my entire ordeal when I discovered I tested INTP. At first, I couldn't believe how well it described me. Then as I read and reread the profiles, I started questioning if this was right, perhaps I answered a question based on how I want to be instead of how I really am. Overall, it was me, but some stuff definitely wasn't me, or at least I didn't want it to be. Anyway, even your description of yourself is me except the hockey thing. I don't play the guitar, but that is on my list of things I want to do. Who knows if I'll get around to it. Oh, and I was never a recon ranger and have grown out of gaming. But other than that we are ALOT alike and we both test INTP, so maybe MBTI is on to something.

I had almost the exact same thoughts when I read this post. This seems to be a predicament common to INTPs - questioning their type.
I first tested as INTJ, but I'm defiantly not J (this happened because of bias - a friend had taken the test on the same computer, and I hit backspace and his answers were still there). I definitely have dominant Ti, it's the N/S that I'm always doubting. (PS - I corrected your spelling error in this quote, which is something I tend to do, when I find one (or in this case when I miss one but spellcheck finds one))

@mrpeters - You've biased everyone here with your topic title. However, I'll try to type you to the best of my ability. I can't say that it will be 100% accurate, though (nothing can be, but I can't say that it will be among the best assessments).

I am a bit shy when meeting new people.

Sounds like Introversion, but you gave very mixed signals on this one throughout your post.

Like theory but don't tend to use it fully in practice.

Seems like iNtuitive to me.
XNXX

sometimes fantisies of being a hero

Introverted Thinking at work here - although it could be secondary.
XNTP

The MBTI theory keeps occupying mind and I really need to have my focus elsewhere, i've been trying to surpress it for three days but my mind just bumps back into thinking about it.

Definitely Perceptive. This is actually one of the worse examples in your post, but it's the first one I found
INTP (The P is bolded because I'm fairly certain of this, and the I is in italics because I'm not certain of this at all.)

 

[mrpeters]

Quote:
sometimes fantisies of being a hero
Introverted Thinking at work here - although it could be secondary.
XNTP


oh i was almost shure that would be some kind of feeling trait, could you explain why its introverted thinking? (if you have a link to post about feeling vs thinking that would be great!)


I uploaded a video on youtube and damn i am dry as hell.
I have to pull myself from the computer right now and into studying but i wanted to give you something to analyse first. I will hopefully not be back before tonight (10 hours from now) but i want to thank you all for the great feedback so far. (you might want to skip some parts in the video like 3:30 to 4:15).

YouTube- 100723 094419

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

you are intp.
a classic trait of intp is second guessing everything lol.
(that isnt the only reason i say you are intp either)

 

[KazeCraven]

Side Question: Is a very monotone voice almost (accounting for the occasional exception) a dead giveaway that one is dominant Ti? Would an INFJ ever be monotone?

My argument is, if I don't have someone to talk to, I don't bother with my expressiveness. Talking to a computer is a little disconcerting for me. Hopefully that's not a confound.

@mrpeters: my only idea is that your Tx function is stronger than your Fx function, and I would guess INTP, though if I were you I'd hold out until Adymus voices his opinion because I really don't know what I'm talking about; what I can tell you is that "feeling" is often conceptualized as "value-based thinking" rather than emotion, though there is some truth to "feeling as emotion/expression"

 

[Ska]

A big hint towards E/I is how you engage the camera. But, really, I can't tell from your video. You started off looking at the camera a lot and pretty engaged, so I was gonna say E, but that could just be good practice (especially with military training). Do you feel more comfortable looking away or engaged with the camera? Do you like eye contact in general, or no?

Do you have a lot of ideas that you need to share with other people, or do you just get some ideas that you think through to yourself and won't necessarily share with others unless asked? The former would make you an ENTP, where you use Ne (extraverted intuiton) dominantly and your Ti (introverted thinking) as a tool to support your Ne and come up with new ideas. You would not be as concerned with the logical correctness as an INTP, with dominant Ti, would. An INTP uses their Ti to analyze things first, and then would use their Ne to generate new possibilities/ideas to analyze.

If you're confused as to what I'm talking about, you can read descriptions of all eight functions at this link: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582

 

[mrpeters]

Oh man i am going back and forth in finding the correct type. The link you posted to Adymus thread was great and i also read a long description about ENTP at http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/nt-rationale/2928-entp-profile.html

First off: i seem to have misinterpreted Introverted / extroverted as "a bit shy around new people / outgoing and always in center". To make sure im on the right track i will quickly sum up my interpretation of the theory and how this boils down to the 4 letters.

The S/N describes the way you gain information and the F/T describes how you make decisions. The P/J describes if the F/T or the S/N is the extroverted or the F/T. The I/E describes if the dominant function is extroverted or introverted.

Right now I am quite sure about me being a NT so that leaves to decide what function is dominant and what function that is extraverted.

The past 12 months I have become more and more analytical and started to like subjects that kind of surprise me (like getting really interested in statistics and macro economics). This makes me belive that the thinking function is auxiliary. Even thou i usally use logic in my thoughts and ideas (that i do share with the people around me) it is more familiar for me to work "perceive then apply logic" than to first use logic and then back it up with intuition.

That would make the Intuition dominant and the thinking auxilary. My thinking seems to be Ti since i think it is quite difficult to translate my thoughts into words and the description of Ti fits well where as the description of Te does not. The description of Ne also fits me quite well (The description of Ni fits me well). I can relate to using my thinking to apply logic to my intuitions.

The tertiary Fe of an ENTP instead of Inferior as in an INTP makes more sense applied to me because i am at least average at reading people and fairly good at know what they are thinking without them saying it. From what i understand, this is not a common trait in INTPs.

If my N is stronger than my T but i still find many things i relate to about the INTP that should make it quite possible that i am ENTP right? (i also relate to much in the description of an ENTP)

 

[Razare]

You should figure out if you are introverted or not.

Then you should figure out if you use Ni or Ne.

Ranking functions in order of how strongly you use them is a bad way to go. That's how MBTI works, but everyone uses their functions at different levels. It's more about which you are using, not how strongly.

I got an ENTP friend, and he'd never be on this forum over-analyzing all of this. They're too busy making people like them with their wit. Over-theorizing isn't their thing; thinking is a slave to other functions, not a practice in and of itself. (For the most part.)

 

[dreamoftheunknown]

You know you're an INTP when you analyze all of your characteristics to determine whether you are an INTP. For what it's worth, I did the same thing that you did. I took the test once, read the description, said "That's so me," read it again, said "Hang on. Do I really do this?" examined my thought patterns and characteristics, retook the test, got the same result, read the description, etc., etc., etc. Eventually, I did ask myself the question AlisaD posed, "What does it really matter?" In any case, it's not meant to be a checklist of characteristics against which you compare your own. Rather, I think of personality types as clusters of stars. Within a given cluster, you can say that on average stars within that cluster have a certain age, color, or luminosity, but individual stars within the cluster may deviate from the average by some amount, some more than others. So rather than getting thousands of stars with the exact same characteristics, you get a sequence on those characteristics. And if, on occasion, you veer towards the FJish side of the cluster, I'll forgive you that.

 

[mrpeters]

You should figure out if you are introverted or not.

Then you should figure out if you use Ni or Ne.

Ranking functions in order of how strongly you use them is a bad way to go. That's how MBTI works, but everyone uses their functions at different levels. It's more about which you are using, not how strongly.

It is good that you point that out, i can see why its not the optimal way to figure out if im introverted or extroverted. If i disregard my thoughts on the Ne being dominant over Ti, i am definitely introverted. The thought of me being extraverted derive from Ne being stronger than Ti.

Can you develop why the strongest function isnt the same as the dominant function?

 

[mrpeters]

You know you're an INTP when you analyze all of your characteristics to determine whether you are an INTP. For what it's worth, I did the same thing that you did. I took the test once, read the description, said "That's so me," read it again, said "Hang on. Do I really do this?" examined my thought patterns and characteristics, retook the test, got the same result, read the description, etc., etc., etc. Eventually, I did ask myself the question AlisaD posed, "What does it really matter?" In any case, it's not meant to be a checklist of characteristics against which you compare your own. Rather, I think of personality types as clusters of stars. Within a given cluster, you can say that on average stars within that cluster have a certain age, color, or luminosity, but individual stars within the cluster may deviate from the average by some amount, some more than others. So rather than getting thousands of stars with the exact same characteristics, you get a sequence on those characteristics. And if, on occasion, you veer towards the FJish side of the cluster, I'll forgive you that.

hahaha i love how you say you will forgive me for using emotions! You are funny, you cant be INTP! Just for clarification: you say it is possible to have a fairly well adapted F and still be INTP?

 

[shadowdrums4]

hahaha i love how you say you will forgive me for using emotions! You are funny, you cant be INTP! Just for clarification: you say it is possible to have a fairly well adapted F and still be INTP?

Yes. Developing you Fe doesn't change your type, you're just a more developed INTP.

 

[Adymus]

Mrpeters, you're an INFJ.

Notable cues: you express and articulate with Fe, but your Level of Fe use is well above that of an INTP, it readily moves upwards passed the midline and into the eyes. This tells me you are a personality type that is designed to be more expressive and connective, in other words, an F, but in this case an xxFJ because you are using Fe not Fi. You also have a very strong use of Ti which keeps your Fe somewhat reserved, but your Fe is actually coming to you more naturally and effortlessly.

The introversion is rather obvious, even while speaking you are articulating from the inside out, and there is a certain look of "cunning" that you can see in the Ni doms that I see in you as well, which tells me you are mainly articulating from Ni.

So Yeah.

Don't think what I described is all I am basing my conclusion on either, it's much more, but most of it is hard to explain to people who don't know what I am doing.

 

[Ska]

The introversion is rather obvious, even while speaking you are articulating from the inside out

Adymus, any chance you could explain this a little more? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

 

[mrpeters]

Mrpeters, you're an INFJ.

Notable cues: you express and articulate with Fe, but your Level of Fe use is well above that of an INTP, it readily moves upwards passed the midline and into the eyes. This tells me you are a personality type that is designed to be more expressive and connective, in other words, an F, but in this case an xxFJ because you are using Fe not Fi. You also have a very strong use of Ti which keeps your Fe somewhat reserved, but your Fe is actually coming to you more naturally and effortlessly.

The introversion is rather obvious, even while speaking you are articulating from the inside out, and there is a certain look of "cunning" that you can see in the Ni doms that I see in you as well, which tells me you are mainly articulating from Ni.

So Yeah.

Don't think what I described is all I am basing my conclusion on either, it's much more, but most of it is hard to explain to people who don't know what I am doing.

Wow that comes as quite a shock. I have great respect for you since i´ve read many of your posts where you show great knowledge of the functions and the mbti theory. Therefore i will explore this possibility of me being an INFJ further. Please check back into this thread again in a day or two. I will definitely have some questions when im done reading

 

[Adymus]

Adymus, any chance you could explain this a little more? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

What I mean by "Speaking from the inside out" is, they usually speak without completely engaging with outside like extroverts do. it is like a refrained engagement, you even see this on introverts that are actually very talkative. In other words, getting their thoughts out is more important than actually interfacing with the outside world (because of this introverts sometimes speak rather fast, to be over and done with the act of articulating). This would be opposed to how the extroverts tend to have their face pressed up against the glass so to speak, when it comes to engaging with the outside, because this is what they are feeding off of, even when not particularly talkative.

 

[mrpeters]

What I mean by "Speaking from the inside out" is, they usually speak without completely engaging with outside like extroverts do. it is like a refrained engagement, you even see this on introverts that are actually very talkative. In other words, getting their thoughts out is more important than actually interfacing with the outside world (because of this introverts sometimes speak rather fast, to be over and done with the act of articulating). This would be opposed to how the extroverts tend to have their face pressed up against the glass so to speak, when it comes to engaging with the outside, because this is what they are feeding off of, even when not particularly talkative.

I have read more about the infj personality. It is very possible that i want to think that i base most decisions logically but in fact base most of my decisions on feelings. Me beeing an Ni and having a bit of Ti maybe explains why many of you could relate to me and i could relate to the INTP description.

Adymus: I will post another video of me talking a bit more but this time a bit more freely. I would appreciate it very much if you took the time to evaluate this video to make shure im an INFJ.

YouTube- INFJ?

after seeing this video: is there something that makes you doubt that i am infj? If so please tell me what makes you unshure and which functions you are unshure about.


a little side note:
whats funny is that since i started beliving that im more of an infj i started to feel more again. I should maybe be a bit careful about how i let mbti define me just as ive been warned earlier in the thread.

 

[Ska]

It is very possible that i want to think that i base most decisions logically but in fact base most of my decisions on feelings.

If someone came to you with a problem, would you try to rationalize their problem and tell them what to do based on logic, or would you comfort them and choose your woods carefully as to tip toe around hurting their feelings? Perhaps you should read some more about Fe and see how familiar you are with that. That's the biggest difference between INTPs and INFJs it seems...Fe is our inferior function, so it's very underdeveloped and we should identify with it the least, while Fe is an INFJs auxiliary, which means it would be pretty well developed and you would use it quite often, and you should identify with it fairly strongly ....do you feel you identify with Fe at all? I also believe I've read before that most INFJs would not consider themselves feelers, it's just that all of your thoughts will be people-based due to Fe.

 

[KazeCraven]

mrpeters: Since you're using Adymus & Co's framework, it follows you'll want to use descriptions from there as well. Thus the following would be relevant if you haven't read them.

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7016
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7044

Whenever I see someone typed, I always (almost always) have the nagging suspicion that he will cross-pollinate frameworks. I got the idea to look closely at different frameworks from Vicky Jo (MBTI coach at infj.com), and unlike her, I've come to the conclusion that using multiple theories simultaneously is a bad idea. I'm just concerned you misinterpreted the "feeling" functions. As usual, we need to be very clear on definitions, especially if you are basing your personality on a single word: INFJ. Definitions vary depending on who is using the word.

side note clarifications: removing any misconceptions I might have created by hijacking this thread for my own purposes
-Razare was referring to mrpeters when he said "From what you've posted in your original post, you sound exactly like me to the point it was scary."; you might not have thought he was referring to me, but I did
-I am an INTP by Adymus's method

 

[mrpeters]

If someone came to you with a problem, would you try to rationalize their problem and tell them what to do based on logic, or would you comfort them and choose your woods carefully as to tip toe around hurting their feelings? Perhaps you should read some more about Fe and see how familiar you are with that. That's the biggest difference between INTPs and INFJs it seems...Fe is our inferior function, so it's very underdeveloped and we should identify with it the least, while Fe is an INFJs auxiliary, which means it would be pretty well developed and you would use it quite often, and you should identify with it fairly strongly ....do you feel you identify with Fe at all? I also believe I've read before that most INFJs would not consider themselves feelers, it's just that all of your thoughts will be people-based due to Fe.

I do feel i can identify with Fe. The following functions i feel i can identify best with (from highest to lowest)

Ni
Fe/Ti
Ne (possible because of common traits with Ni)


Comfort them by using what sounds as logic

Problems people have come to me with lately:

A friend of mine was applying for a job as system tech and travelled 400 miles to get there. After the interview we talked and he was a bit low spirited because they didnt pick him. I comforted him by telling him to be proud that they picked him for an interview (most of the applying had 5 years universety education, he had 3 years).

2 weeks later he told me they had called him back for another interview (and another 400 miles trip) but he was very pesemistic over his chances. I raised his optimism by using mine over the fact that they had payed the flight ticket. I told him that he got to be very interesting if they call him for an other interview and pay his ticket to come there. (he got the job)

When my girlfriend (ISFJ or ISFP) comes to me with problems like she thinking her mom doesnt like her because of actions in the past, i comfort her by telling her that "of course your mother loves you. She wants to spend time with you, pay your car, help you economically (her parents payed half her flat) and likes to travel with you (they are taking a trip togheter to USA in a few months)."

When i just asked my girlfriend about how she thinks i comfort her she said that i often tries to solve the problem and that she would prefer me just agreeing and feeling sorry for her instead.

When i worked as a salesman i often knew if i they believed in what i said and if they where going to buy the product. I often tried to find common grounds with my customers.

In this, feeling constantly seeks expression, and tries accordingly to arouse corresponding feelings in others, sometimes by means of almost imperceptible manifestations on their own part. The fine shading of their own emotional life enables them, moreover, to read the feelings of others from the smallest indications. In this case, their insight is not always consciously employed, but is more likely to be revealed in an adjustment of their own reactions to such feelings on the part of other people. As a result of this swift understanding of the attitudes of others, and of the immediate adjustment of their own reaction, extraverted feeling is extraordinarily valuable in social intercourse.

With almost every people that i have some sort of connection with i can pick up on small changes in the feelings and i often know how they feel. I care about how people feel about me. I find it important to feel a bond or special connection with my friends.

 

[Ska]

I think you just confirmed your INFJness for yourself right there, mostly in the part at the end.

I think I would actually have a similar response to how you handled the situation with your friend applying for a job. I can give rational reasons to make people feel better, but I can't really lie to them just to make them feel better. I'm not sure if that makes me an INFJ or not. I doubt it, because I am terrible at just knowing how people feel. I would need rational reasoning that I can see as to why they would be upset for me to notice it.

 

[mrpeters]

Ska: can you hear feelings like if they are annoyed, stressed, if they dont fully agree, irritated over something, if somethings on their mind, by the tone of their voice?

I applied for a job a few months ago and could hear just by the tone of her voice when she called (even thou it was very formal) that she would tell me that i hadnt got the job from the second she said hi.

 

[Ska]

I would say that depends on how obvious. I have a hard time defining qualities about myself because I don't have much else to compare it to.

How about I give some examples from yesterday that I think were my Fe:

I'm sitting down playing a video game alone. My brother's friend's girlfriend comes down (her and her boyfriend are staying with us currently) and sits on one of the other couches and is watching me play (my brother, his girlfriend, my brother's friend, and this girl were all watching me play earlier and had gone upstairs to eat but were coming back down after). I have never really talked to her before except a few words and feel pretty awkward. I don't know what to say but keep thinking about what I'm supposed to do in this situation. I feel really awkward but never say anything because I don't know what to say. I start thinking why she would come down here by herself and make things so awkward instead of staying upstairs with the people she knew. So I can kind of sense the awkwardness, but I have no idea what to do about it.

Ugh, now that I am done typing this I realize it may not have been the best example.

But in general, I do not care much about "connecting" with people. I'd venture to say I'm not even sure if I would know when I "connected" with someone.

Another thing: I find it very hard to go up in my attic and work out when my family is home, because then they will notice my difference in behavior (I generally do not work out) and likely make a comment or ask me about it later. I don't want to deal with that (on the contrary I have noticed that my ENFJ half-sister (dominant Fe) loves to tell people she feels disgusting because she hasn't worked out yet that day). I also have recently lost some weight, but I hate talking about it...it's just...awkward...especially when someone compliments me on it.

It is reasons like these that I think it is impossible I am an INFJ. I also do not feel I have Ni at all...I have no master idea of how the future will unfold...I just let it happen as it does and try to make the best decisions I can along the way.

I apologize for typing so much...please forgive me.

 

[mrpeters]

By typing much you are helping me find better understanding of myself, dont apology for that. Thank you for sharing something about yourself

I too find it akward sometimes to talk with people i dont know when there is a lot of "pressure" that you should talk. This especialy applies to unkown females for me.

forgot to tell you how sweet it is you play hockey. It seems to be a rare thing amongst INTPs. Did you too like to demolish people?

that got to be a Fe trait? I think enjoying teamsports also is some kind of Fe

I dont either have a masterplan of the future but i dont think that is necessary for being dominant Ni. I do have some kind of sense of how my future will look and i can know by my gut when i am not on the tracks to this future.

Funny thing: Im also currently loosing weight, ive been on a diet for 3 weeks now

 

[Ska]

Oh yea, that's another thing I've thought about before, me, as an INTP, and playing on hockey teams all my life. I was the captain of many of the teams I was on and while I hated giving emotional speeches or anything of the sort in the locker room, I did always have something to say in the "huddle" along the bench (before games and between periods). It was usually more something about what we were doing wrong or what we were doing right and what we need to do the next period. I also would frequently talk to other team members as to what they werre doing right/wrong, and try to adjust their attitude if it was terrible. I would also try to give the goalie encouragement when they needed it. But again, I had rational reasons for all of this besides I just want to do something for that person - it was for the benefit of the team. Sometimes it was just along the lines of "Come on man, you can do better than that, pick it up" or "nice hit out there, that's what we need" or if someone wasn't hitting I would say "come on, man, use your big body out there and go hit some people." Most INTPs say they aren't good leaders, but I at least grew into the role. I always did dread any kind of pre-game speech, though, where I would have to stand up and address the whole team. I don't think I ever really had to do that, though.

While I'm on this Fe topic, I would often be way too aggressive with people as a child when we were just playing around or something. I often would end up taking things too far and then feel bad because I never meant to hurt them.

Also, mrpeters, about the demolishing thing, that also could have something to do with just liking doing what I'm good at. I always had a more physical style and was known for hitting people.

On sort of an unreleated note, as a fellow introvert, do you gain a lot of confidence when playing team sports? While I may feel inferior to someone off the ice, on the ice it was me against them, no questions asked. They were the enemy. I loved talking trash and getting in peoples faces. One game I even got kicked out for headbutting, but I didn't really headbutt him, I just put my facemask against his to get in his face. It was a bullshit call. But I pretty much transformed into a whole different person. I've heard a lot of athletes talk about this before...it's pretty cool, really.

 

[mrpeters]

Yeah i love playing hockey. Stoped playing it when i was 14 and started again a year ago in the 4 division. Was really bad the first months and felt like i couldnt even carry the puck. When i got my skating going and after hours of shooting practice ive gotten alot of confidence in my own game. When we had a team party close to the end i got some feedback from a guy who was amazed by the development i had done during the year. He told me that when i first came there he asked himself what the fuck i was doing there and now im already one in the team. If i would point out any activity that has created most personal growth in the last 1-2 years, i would definitely say ice hockey. If you are thinking of start playing again, find a team and throw yourself out there no matter how intimidating it feels to go on that first practice, it is totally worth it!

I dont know if the motivation of your team players for the best of the team would make you a typical INTP, my guess is that it doesnt. If you havent done it already, try just for the fun of it to keep an really open mind to see if you can match in to some Fe or Fi traits.

http://shorttext.com/wuq41gvcg
follow this link and if you like pm me what traits that you have in common with this personality. Feel free to pm me the result, im a bit curious

 

[Ska]

I didn't really find much in there that relates to me...especially about expressing myself through things like poetry...I do enjoy helping others, but I believe other INTPs do as well. Another thing that leads me to believe I have Fe as my inferior function is that I highly relate to this thread: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7622&highlight=falling

 

[mrpeters]

Maybe a bit personal but i hope you dont mind me asking:

from what i have read in the sex thread a lot of intps dont like sex/talk about sex. INFJs on the other hand seems to like sex alot (me for one ).
read these to threads and see which you can relate better to in terms of sex:

http://personalitycafe.com/infj-forum-protectors/24629-sex-infj.html
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7518
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=2251

If somebody would take the time to explain or discuss why intps has this attitude to sex i would be very interested to listen.

 

[mrpeters]

i can relate to the tread you posted too about girls. Especially during the years from 15-18. I dont think that is solely an intp trait.