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INTP or just a wannabe?

Ska

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I certainly don't like to talk about sex, especially with those I don't know very well. In fact, I'm near terrified of talking about sex unless it's someone I have a very close relationship with. I find this to be very, very different from my peers. As for actually having sex, though, I can't say I don't like that. But it's not that big of a priority to me when I'm not in a relationship, and I don't actively seek girls just to have sex with them. I would much rather be in a relationship first before having sex with the person. Maybe some of this stems from my insecurities. However, when I was with my ex-girlfriend, I would want to have sex often...nearly every time we hung out.

As for why many INTPs have the opinion they do about sex, I'd say it's definitely related to the inferior Fe.
 

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I certainly don't like to talk about sex, especially with those I don't know very well. In fact, I'm near terrified of talking about sex unless it's someone I have a very close relationship with. I find this to be very, very different from my peers. As for actually having sex, though, I can't say I don't like that. But it's not that big of a priority to me when I'm not in a relationship, and I don't actively seek girls just to have sex with them. I would much rather be in a relationship first before having sex with the person. Maybe some of this stems from my insecurities. However, when I was with my ex-girlfriend, I would want to have sex often...nearly every time we hung out.

As for why many INTPs have the opinion they do about sex, I'd say it's definitely related to the inferior Fe.

there i would say you clearly differ from me. Ive several time been out just to get laid (not so easy being introverted and all) and i think 9 of my 10 partners ive had sex with within 2 or 3 days from getting to know them. I value sex in a relation very high and prefer to have it often. I will stop talking about this now since you dont feel comfortable discussing it. Maybe it is easier for you to categorize yourself knowing this?
 

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In this, feeling constantly seeks expression, and tries accordingly to arouse corresponding feelings in others.

God, this must be the most horrifying thing about Fe. *throws up in mouth a little* :x

So invasive, intrusive and manipulative. :beatyou:
 

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It's alright, mrpeters, I don't mind it so much over the internet. I'm safe here. :)

Alright, one more Fe test:

If you're watching a movie, say a funny one, would you enjoy it more if someone you were watching it with, say a friend or a family member, also enjoyed it and laughed at it? This applies mainly to movies I've already seen, and want to share with someone else. I want them to like it. The same could be said of sharing any topic of interest really...especially music. However, if I don't like the person, I certainly wouldn't care and most likely would attribute it to our differences and back to the reason why I don't like them.
 

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God, this must be the most horrifying thing about Fe. *throws up in mouth a little* :x

So invasive, intrusive and manipulative. :beatyou:

It is not a consious thing i (we?) do. I do it led by the will to connect with you which is felt when im in the same mood and share common ground as you. Funny that you think its horrific, i think its a very positivt trait :)
 

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It's alright, mrpeters, I don't mind it so much over the internet. I'm safe here. :)

Alright, one more Fe test:
If you're watching a movie, say a funny one, would you enjoy it more if someone you were watching it with, say a friend or a family member, also enjoyed it and laughed at it?
Yes totally, that is a very bonding thing to do i think. To share the same humour. In my will to connect i can actually also be a bit pushy if the person doesnt share the fun with same intensity as me.

YouTube- Funny Wedding Drummer

That video for example: when i showed that for a friend and he thought it was just amusing and not as funny as i did, i started to point out all the moves i thought was funny in an attempt to raise his fun.

This applies mainly to movies I've already seen, and want to share with someone else. I want them to like it. The same could be said of sharing any topic of interest really...especially music. However, if I don't like the person, I certainly wouldn't care and most likely would attribute it to our differences and back to the reason why I don't like them.
Can totally relate to that, i want people i value to like the same things as i do and if i dont like a person i dont care if we share interest.
 

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It is not a consious thing i (we?) do. I do it led by the will to connect with you which is felt when im in the same mood and share common ground as you. Funny that you think its horrific, i think its a very positivt trait :)

It's not that I'm against connecting with others, but when Fe users engage me like that it invariably makes me feel like I'm under some kind of "assault", it feels like they are intruding upon my emotions, even if it's with good purpose, and my knee jerk reaction is to withdraw from their influence for "protection".
 

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Yes totally, that is a very bonding thing to do i think. To share the same humour. In my will to connect i can actually also be a bit pushy if the person doesnt share the fun with same intensity as me.

YouTube- Funny Wedding Drummer

That video for example: when i showed that for a friend and he thought it was just amusing and not as funny as i did, i started to point out all the moves i thought was funny in an attempt to raise his fun.

Can totally relate to that, i want people i value to like the same things as i do and if i dont like a person i dont care if we share interest.


Hmm...I wonder how other INTPs feel about this.
 

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It's not that I'm against connecting with others, but when Fe users engage me like that it invariably makes me feel like I'm under some kind of "assault", it feels like they are intruding upon my emotions, even if it's with good purpose, and my knee jerk reaction is to withdraw from their influence for "protection".

i wouldnt have realised that Fe could be intimidating, when i get better at categorizing people after type i will definitely keep this in mind. I can understand why it get a bit too much sometimes, i hope you can see it is because we value you when we do it.
 

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It's not exactly intimidating (but it can be easily)...though the sheer emotional intensity can be somewhat frightening to be exposed to. It's more unsettling. Interestingly though Fe is said to strive for harmony, Fe's tend to the the exact opposite to my inner sense of harmony.
 

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What's funny is, I do all of the things attributed to Fe above, and I do them quite a bit. The possible exception being the movie part, though that depends on the movie. If it's a 'light' comedy, I'll usually want to share the experience with others, but if it's something I'm not sure they'll get/appreciate, I'd rather them not join and ruin the experience with their misunderstandings.

I even do the stuff about expression and arousing feelings in others, though I do that quite cautiously. I wonder if anyone else even knows I'm doing it. (they'd better, dammit)

As for the "how would you deal with someone who comes to you with a problem?", that obviously depends, and I'm doubtful it's of much relevance to type. If I feel that they are likely to behave irrationally, I'll tiptoe around their landmine feelings, because I'm not a masochist. If I feel they're ready to analyze things, then I'll take the rational approach. Though the latter has always been uncomfortable for me, likely due to an upbringing full of overreacting and over-sensitive caretakers.

Not sure what to make of any of this. It's hard to rule out being an F when I relate this much to Fe. I hate other people's Fe though. I always feel mine (if I indeed have it) is well under control, while everyone else's is actively trying to murder me.
 

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Not sure what to make of any of this. It's hard to rule out being an F when I relate this much to Fe. I hate other people's Fe though. I always feel mine (if I indeed have it) is well under control, while everyone else's is actively trying to murder me.

If you were brought up in a very F family then I would say it's just that you have a better developed Fe than most INTPs. Similar to how my whole family is filled with sensors, so my Ne is probably less developed than a lot INTPs...something I definitely want to work on.
 

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If you were brought up in a very F family then I would say it's just that you have a better developed Fe than most INTPs. Similar to how my whole family is filled with sensors, so my Ne is probably less developed than a lot INTPs...something I definitely want to work on.
Sounds reasonable. Though I must say, mrpeters' posts about his ability to perceive emotions easily by voice is something I can relate to pretty well. I'm also pretty decent at cheering people up. Not that any of this is reason enough to stamp a big 'F' on my forehead, but it certainly opens the doubt floodgates (not that they weren't already).

One thing I'd keep in mind, of course, is that people will likely feel a great sense of accomplishment from becoming proficient at activities related to their inferior function, and this might cause them to overestimate these abilities, due to a sense of pride and perhaps an out-of-scale view of these activities relative to those who find them naturally easy. For instance, I say I'm 'decent' at cheering people up, but I realize no one's ever actually told me that. For all I know, 'decent' for me is 'barely acceptable' to Fe-doms/auxs.
 

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It's alright, mrpeters, I don't mind it so much over the internet. I'm safe here. :)

Alright, one more Fe test:

If you're watching a movie, say a funny one, would you enjoy it more if someone you were watching it with, say a friend or a family member, also enjoyed it and laughed at it? This applies mainly to movies I've already seen, and want to share with someone else. I want them to like it. The same could be said of sharing any topic of interest really...especially music. However, if I don't like the person, I certainly wouldn't care and most likely would attribute it to our differences and back to the reason why I don't like them.

Hehe...oh wow, I never realized that it was my Fe that did that. But yea, I totally relate to this too, it is absolutely dreadful to be playing a video game or watching a movie or video with one of my friends in the room and having no sort of vibe off of them whatsoever, I'll stop whatever it is after 5 minutes tops if that starts to happen. (This is also why I tend to always love listening to my music alone, because I love my music, but when other people are around, it's a total mixed signal going through my head like "Fuck, I I love this song a lot, but it's extremely weird since nobody in this room really likes it." The fact that most of my music is totally unfitting for a group environment might be the cause of this as well...hmmmm.

Oh my god...this video is amazing, I mean, I laughed pretty damn hard. And this man is now my new hero :worship:
 

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Alright, one more Fe test:
Yes totally, that is a very bonding thing to do i think. To share the same humour. In my will to connect i can actually also be a bit pushy if the person doesnt share the fun with same intensity as me.

That video for example: when i showed that for a friend and he thought it was just amusing and not as funny as i did, i started to point out all the moves i thought was funny in an attempt to raise his fun.

Hmm...I wonder how other INTPs feel about this.

I never push things on people. Actually, I go far lengths to do the opposite. Whenever I know I'll be in a situation where I'll get some sort of reaction from another (giving a gift for instance), I prefer not to be present. If I am to share a youtube film or so, I prefer to do it via mail or msn. And I don't ask what the person thought of it. I really can't stand when people ask me what I thought of something. Usually I don't like whatever they present me. Additionally, it won't be a honest answer when they demand it from me so.

I'm not fond of opening presents when others are watching as I feel I'm expected to show some kind of emotion I can't summon at will. And even though I'm feeling grateful, you can't tell by looking at me because I get so bombarded with expectations that I freeze. So I fake a response which is probably very transparent to the observer. Even though I'm usually happy about the things I receive.

Ever since I was a child, I've known I have this reveling expression on my face. For instance when my parents discovered that a chair had been cut with scissors. I knew I'd get that "look" when they asked who did it, even though I didn't know what they were talking about. So I hid my face behind a magazine which, of course, looked even more suspicious. So my dad yelled at me to get an confession. I remember crying whilst desperately trying to explain I didn't do it. Ah, childhood.

Anyways, I still have this look when... Well, I'm not certain. In any situation I don't want it, I suppose. I can't really explain what it tells. I just know it's something not wanted. I can detect it quite easily on others as well. Some kind of discontentment.

Actually, I don't even like to tell jokes, because then I feel that others think that I'm expecting them to laugh.

And Ska, I can relate to what you said in post 44. Won't quote the whole thing. I get annoyed when someone comments a change in my behavior. For instance wearing a certain color that I never wore before. I don't know why it bothers me, it just does.
 

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Adymus: I will post another video of me talking a bit more but this time a bit more freely. I would appreciate it very much if you took the time to evaluate this video to make shure im an INFJ.
Yeah dude, you're still an INFJ.
 

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I do not belive i am an INTP anymore. I am not absolutely 100 % shure about the INFJ but i can relate to much of the INFJ personality description too.

Anyway i posted my "life story" to see if any one of them would relate to my experiences and feelings and i thought that some of you might find it interesting to read and analyze.

http://forums.infjs.com/showthread.php?t=11676

By the way, i feel like a fucking chamelon. One day beeing here discussing and analysing and the other day going emo chick over at infj forums. Bye bye to my credability :rip:
 
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