Inferior/tertiary intuition(Ne, Ni)

[Analyzer]

How does the inferior intuition manifest itself in these sensors....ESFP, ESTP, ISTJ, ISFJ?

Are they more prone to yearn for the ability of intuition compared to the other sensors, or are the other sensors more "in tune" with N?

Do they have the same Dominant/Inferior conflict dynamics as INTPs do with Ti/Fe or ENTPs Ne/Si?

 

[Cherry Cola]

interesting topic that I'd like to know more about.

basically from what I've seen:

inferior ni=prone to cause delusions often of grandiosity, Ni is heuristic in its character (synthesizing paradoxes into a functional whole) but when its the inferior this can get out of hand, leading to it justifying the most absurd things.

inferior ne=prone to causing categorical viewing of ingenuity and change as inherently negative, with a risk reward ratio where the risk is bumped up a ton.
Ne is apt at seeing possibilities, when in the inferior position these possibilities are for the most part perhaps better described as "potentials for disaster".

 

[TimeAsylums]

Interesting, I literally just posted on my ENTP thread about this.
However I'll shorten it up and regard here:

Duxwing actually brought this to my attention, The S-doms get hunches due to their inferior pull of the N. It makes sense. They usually call it a "hunch or gut feeling." I've never had such a thing, however my Ne dom feels the extreme inferior pull of the Si, and if you haven't noticed, I pay some extreme attention to my own private/internal nuances (my subvocalization theory, my interest in how people think/why, etc)

With what @Cherry Cola just said, it about sums it up

Ni = random insane pulls of grandiosity, often in images
Ne = as opposed to the Si doms inherent need for constant/stability, may cause inherent instability, it's really dangerous, say the Si dom wants a family and a nice house, the goddamn inferior Ne might suggest "hey...lets go gambling" or some shit like that

 

[Analyzer]

interesting topic that I'd like to know more about.

basically from what I've seen:

inferior ni=prone to cause delusions often of grandiosity, Ni is heuristic in its character (synthesizing paradoxes into a functional whole) but when its the inferior this can get out of hand, leading to it justifying the most absurd things.

inferior ne=prone to causing categorical viewing of ingenuity and change as inherently negative, with a risk reward ratio where the risk is bumped up a ton.
Ne is apt at seeing possibilities, when in the inferior position these possibilities are for the most part perhaps better described as "potentials for disaster".

Nice.

I find it hilarious when an ISTJ who are "cold and logical" get bothered by possibilities and ideas. Society respects these individuals so much that they cause other people to be slow to change or tolerance.

On the other hand I could see S doms being paranoid or carried away about abstract concepts that aren't really there. Probably why most suppress it like INTPs do with Fe.

 

[Architect]

How does the inferior intuition manifest itself in these sensors....ESFP, ESTP, ISTJ, ISFJ?

Are they more prone to yearn for the ability of intuition compared to the other sensors, or are the other sensors more "in tune" with N?

Yes, it's more childlike (undeveloped) and yet an attractor point. This is why religion is stuffed with those types, and consider how crude religious images are (up in heaven with a harp, by a river with your family etc).

If they're have a strong Se they will paradoxically try to balance that by becoming fundamentalists - to assert that religion is the literal truth. Their Se can't handle their intuitive inferior, so it's a grip experience.

If not religious then they will go on and on about how "imaginative" and "creative" they are. I've known a lot of ESFP/etc types like this. They love having intuition dominant friends too like me. It's a bit of a trap, they enjoy my strong intuition yet don't really offer me much in return.

By the way, is that a picture of you in your avatar?

 

[Analyzer]

By the way, is that a picture of you in your avatar?

Ha maybe in like 40 years from now. It's Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Hes probably my favorite living thinker and seems very much like an INTP.

 

[Brontosaurie]

If not religious then they will go on and on about how "imaginative" and "creative" they are. I've known a lot of ESFP/etc types like this. They love having intuition dominant friends too like me. It's a bit of a trap, they enjoy my strong intuition yet don't really offer me much in return.

let's be honest - they steal your intuition. they leech on it.

 

[Architect]

let's be honest - they steal your intuition. they leech on it.

They leech my psychic energy with their extraversion and sensation and then are puzzled when I don't seem to like their company, ya.

 

[Duxwing]

They leech my psychic energy with their extraversion and sensation and then are puzzled when I don't seem to like their company, ya.

They're like vampires: thrust a wooden stake into their heart when they're asleep.

-Duxwing

 

[Architect]

They're like vampires: thrust a wooden stake into their heart when they're asleep.

Or chop off their heads and put it between their legs when you bury them? Nah, too much work.

 

[Absurdity]

If you want a good example of an out of control inferior Ni at work, look at (ESFP) Kanye West's career.

 

[scorpiomover]

How does the inferior intuition manifest itself in these sensors....ESFP, ESTP, ISTJ, ISFJ?

In the ISTJ, the Ne acts as an automatic problem-solver on the things they feel comfortable with. Like if you ask an ISTJ to do something, and you then find out that it's impossible. But they've found a way to do it anyway.

Are they more prone to yearn for the ability of intuition compared to the other sensors, or are the other sensors more "in tune" with N?

Sensors value their abilities. They seem to not see any need for being N-dom/aux.

Do they have the same Dominant/Inferior conflict dynamics as INTPs do with Ti/Fe or ENTPs Ne/Si?

Not that I've noticed.

 

[Brontosaurie]

It's Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Hes probably my favorite living thinker and seems very much like an INTP.

much appreciated heads-up

 

[SpiralHacker]

I like the explanation by PersonalityJunkie (http://personalityjunkie.com/the-inferior-function/). His book has descriptions of the role it plays in each type.

 

[Inquirer]

I like the explanation by PersonalityJunkie (http://personalityjunkie.com/the-inferior-function/). His book has descriptions of the role it plays in each type.

Interesting article, thanks for posting. At the end it discussed integrating your inferior/understanding it, have you been able to do this with Si? How did Si manifest itself when you think back?

I am also an ENTP, but I don't seem to understand my Si. Any advise?

 

[Montresor]

What I have noticed in the ESFP type is what I called "intuitive runaways" where conclusions are drawn from thin air (or more likely, based on the immediate Se) ... which are wildly inaccurate and generally hilarious. The best part is they believe them, like they "saw" the future. Hehe not like tertiary Ni is much better...

ISTJ - well it's hard to give an unbiased opinion, but what has been said about resistance to change and envisioning potentials for disaster certainly strikes me as very accurate.

Myself as Ni-tert., well I know you haven't specifically inquired about ISFP but the thread title does generally ask about tertiary N. I find I have little use for Ni and that I prefer to rely on information that is readily available (wow talk about a textbook definition?). I wouldn't outright say my Ni is "weak," but I don't really rely on it and am not really envious of those with Ni in a higher-up position.

I find that tertiary Ni has a lot to do with supporting the dominant function. Explanation: while Se is the preferred "information gatherer", the data that Se draws in is also constantly processed via Ni. As the role of the auxiliary is to support the dominant, the tertiary fills in the blanks to a higher degree, and a more complete representation is accessed. A concrete example of this is that I generally find my Ni function being used most effectively to imagine scenarios involving people, and basically "seeing it thru to the end" before I even start down that path.

Remember MBTI indicates preference and relative strength, not absolute strength. I personally believe that my Ni function is quite powerful and deep. Most definitely, I have the ability to "extrapolate from incomplete data", in fact I love doing so, but preference is preference and we can't help it.

 

[r4ch3l]

Kanye's an ESFP? ^__^ It seems that many mainstream/fame-driven performers are.

My mom's an ISFJ. Communication is a nightmare, though our functions are identical, just flipped on their head (Si dominant, Ni tertiary; Fe auxilliary, Ne inferior). She's very nostalgic, childlike, doesn't like new things. Yelling, emotional appeals, and following the rules are valued more than logic. Frustrating.

Extroverted sensors are at least amusing to me, sometimes...or more open to new things. Dealing with my ISxx family is difficult.

 

[Rocco]

I've known a lot of ESFP/etc types like this. They love having intuition dominant friends too like me. It's a bit of a trap, they enjoy my strong intuition yet don't really offer me much in return.

It's only the Ps, seems like. All of the ESFPs I have known have had this exact relationship with me, but ESFJs have nothing but revulsion and animosity for me (And I them). The ESFP Ne-leeching can actually be a rewarding dynamic, but not on any deep or meaningful level. I don't find it trying, in any case.