I cannot tell if I use Ne or Ni, ask me questions to help me figure it out,

[Reid]

I really do not know where to begin with talking about myself, so I guess ask me questions to help me determine this? Yeah..

 

[The Gopher]

Why?

 

[Reid]

Why? Because I feel like knowing. It seems like something I should figure out, I've already started so I can't really stop.

 

[The Gopher]

Okay and why should we take the time to help you? (he says as he helps him)

 

[Reid]

I don't have a good reason, there's no reason you have to help me, so it is alright if you do not,

 

[The Gopher]

Yokay! Why do you identify with Reid? What do you like about him?

 

[Reid]

We're both mentally ill, autistic, drug addict forensic researchers. We have a similar sort of awkwardness in social situations, extended knowledge that leads us nowhere good, and a debilitating fear of not living up to expectations,

 

[Sir Eus Lee]

If the only question is whether you are an INTP or an INTJ, there are some other questions that might have more weight. Where the INTPs may have an underdeveloped Ne and just seemed plain tuned out, the INTJ has Se inferior and is tuned out anyway, while it may be true that we can't determine your extroverted perceiving side that way. If you arent sure if you have Ni or not, chances are you don't. But it doesn't mean you don't... Here are some other questions that might be more helpful.

Do you introvert or extrovert feeling? How expressive are you, and in what ways? What language do you use when expressing an idea to others?

Aside from that, how do you think your mental illnesses interfere or effect your other mental processes, if they're separate?

Can you automate tasks? If you've played a sinple video game for a long time, can you retreat into your head and still play the game without much thought?

How do you go about solving problems? What problems do you solve?

When listening to somebody, what ways can you and do you take in their information?

And also, what's up, glad you could make it to the intp circus. We perform daily, it's very conspicuous.

 

[onesteptwostep]

There's a lot of literature on the forum talking about Ne and Ni. You can use the search function for it (up there). Everyone uses all of the 8 functions but the degree in which they are used when the person in question is at their most natural or comfortable state differs for most people. Jung's theory is that most people use 4, while having dominant, auxiliary, tertiary and inferior modes, which interact with each other in certain ways. (or something)

If you identify yourself as using more Ne than Ni or vice versa you're probably an Idealist or a Rationalist. visual

If you're confused on whether you're an INTP or INTJ you should take a glance at how their cognitive functions are aligned and see whether or not they make sense for you. Are you [Ni, Te, Fi, Se] INTJ? or more [Ti, Ne, Si, Fe], INTP? Remember that in Jung's theory there's only 4 functions and their dom, aux, tet, inf etc, aka the major cognitive functions when you are at your most natural. And indecisiveness usually points to a P type, meaning less external myopia (which is typical of Js [I think Ps have internal myopia but w.e]).

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

It's probably easier to differentiate between Se and Si if the autistic spectrum doesn't screw with your conception of Si.

Instinctively I'm reacting to you as if, well... Ne, but that's meaningless.

 

[Brontosaurie]

i have a hard time picturing an Ni-dom asking such a question. they're usually very sure about themselves concerning that kind of thing.

 

[PmjPmj]

i have a hard time picturing an Ni-dom asking such a question. they're usually very sure about themselves concerning that kind of thing.

What is perceived and what is actual are two very different things, however. Part of being an Ni dominant is seeing many angles of a thing; I can't speak for others, but I can state that my ability to map my mental processes is above average. I can determine why a thought (for example) came about by retracing steps. Basic cause and effect stuff, but with a relentless internal focus and clarity.

Within the context of typology, assigning a manifest thought or action to a specific function proves to be a tad more bothersome, because you can make compelling arguments for pretty much anything. To the observer, we may seem measured and steadfast; internally, a great many things may be up for dispute.

Obviously, this varies from person to person.

As for the OP, may I recommend this channel? His information is excellent:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmDcT_Pujk8vOcxk_IcnxtQ

I have been lucky enough to work alongside some awesome Type practitioners, and they also agree that his information is solid. Worth a scan at the very least.

 

[Brontosaurie]

What is perceived and what is actual are two very different things, however. Part of being an Ni dominant is seeing many angles of a thing; I can't speak for others, but I can state that my ability to map my mental processes is above average. I can determine why a thought (for example) came about by retracing steps. Basic cause and effect stuff, but with a relentless internal focus and clarity.

Within the context of typology, assigning a manifest thought or action to a specific function proves to be a tad more bothersome, because you can make compelling arguments for pretty much anything. To the observer, we may seem measured and steadfast; internally, a great many things may be up for dispute.

Obviously, this varies from person to person.

As for the OP, may I recommend this channel? His information is excellent:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmDcT_Pujk8vOcxk_IcnxtQ

I have been lucky enough to work alongside some awesome Type practitioners, and they also agree that his information is solid. Worth a scan at the very least.

i believe you're right. i intended to refer to outward sureness of oneself, not necessarily internal.

 

[Reid]

-post redacted because it was terribly wrong and nobody wants to see that-

 

[The Gopher]

Ti and Fi function virtually identically in the way they... function... both introverted judging systematic so I wouldn't get caught up in thinking you are both you are obviously one.

 

[Reid]

Okay. I'm still new to this, even after having to take classes in it. It never really appealed to me until it did. I suppose I'm going too much with what others say because I'm oft told I appear to use Fi, and perhaps I'm believing that. Thanks for all the help regardless.

 

[Reid]

Okay. More in depth research and,,,, reading breakdowns and simplifications, for once, and I think I'm pretty sure of Si? And Fe? And Ti? so that all points to INTP. And Ne was already cemented from last night. So, I think INTP is the most likely option at the moment.

 

[PmjPmj]

Wear it for a while, see how it fits. That really is the best way to go about these things. The experts will tell you as much.

If you find yourself thinking "Hm, this isn't right", head back to the drawing board. I originally typed as INFP (ha!) and so began to move and shake in those circles. It took me all of an hour to realise that I was completely wrong.

Good luck with it. For what it's worth, I hope your shiny new INTP suit does indeed fit

 

[Reid]

yeah, I wore INFP for a year or so, realized it didn't fit and was just what I was told fits by people I admired, came back here, tried to figure stuff out.

 

[PmjPmj]

Wait, you listened to what somebody told you? Oh, you can't get more Fe than that! You must be an ESFJ.

^ One of the many misconceptions spread around by members of the great unclean.

If you haven't already, check out the YouTube channel I linked to. It'll probably save you a lot of bother, because the information is deadly accurate and pretty concise.

 

[Reid]

Wait, you listened to what somebody told you? Oh, you can't get more Fe than that! You must be an ESFJ.

^ One of the many misconceptions spread around by members of the great unclean.

If you haven't already, check out the YouTube channel I linked to. It'll probably save you a lot of bother, because the information is deadly accurate and pretty concise.

Yeah, I've been watching the videos!
And I can tell you there is no way in hell I'm an ESFJ.