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As energy systems.
Energy systems with self control.
Dr. Sigmund Freud called the energy libedo.
His structure for it was id, ego and super ego
Carl Jung made things more symmetrical of how energy's control system was structured. And how it can break down in neurosis.
Energy is not just about sex the way Freud saw it, nor is the unconscious a waste dump for bad desires. Jung saw energy as introvert and extraverted. Extroverts have less awareness that an unconscious exists or is possible. Introverts can see that they have a subjective side. Neurosis is going against ones natural direction of energy flow.
After Jung came socionics. A more advanced version of his theory. MBTI does not actually measure what type a person is. This doesn't mean energy has no structure in the human psyche.
Four layers exist in socionics. The ego self, the super ego persona, the super id Anima/Animus, and the id shadow. Ego is the mediator of the conscious and unconscious. Persona is the outward interaction. Anima/Animus is a perfected ideal self. The Shadow is those processes least understood in the self. Often rejected but must be accepted to gain access to the ideal self.
Extraverts are stuck in the Persona so the Shadow is rejected harshly. Introvert energy as within allows more control of a psyche's exploration as they focus inside more than outside. They are less likely to be attached to the need to act when the environment presents itself in contrast to their proclivities. In other words when they see their shadow externalized.
I had a breakthrough yesterday. That in contrast to what I normally do I found that persona wise. Fi and Se - I let go of the need to correct peoples mistakes. Often Ne Ti allows me to come up with all sorts of ideas. Yet the Shadow of it Ni and Te can be so certain that it is correct I have a hard time releasing those desires to explain why it is not. I am not a narcissist and those personal attacks are not welcome. Yet I saw that because people cannot let go of their absolute certainly that I will never be able to correct that delusion. And never convince them to stop attacking. They are trapped. So all I can do is help myself.
Being that energy flow in the psyche must come in one direction and that I had to stop that flow. It did cause a temporary neurosis. I believe I am a good person and I did not do anything wrong to warrant what I received. So I did not say anything because that would not be the right thing to do. However this led to a Fi Si break down. The ideal self in contrast with the persona. Being told you a bad person is harder to accept when not true and this has been projected onto you. It messed me up. Ne and Ti are not bad. I am not bad. But this shadow energy is in a conflict. So with this in mind I had to accept I could do nothing. Then the energy was reversed and I almost shutdown.
The pain had always been there. This is no one's fault. I now have a greater clarity on things. I just have had a rough time dealing with it. Because Fe and Si is the ideal self, I try to be this way. That is I see how people are and I feel it in my body. Fi and Se then is just the way I present it emotionally. But as reciprocation is not always received my emotional state has increased negative affect. The barrier to this understanding was a strong ego i.e. Ne - this reversed as said. Without it all I had then was Ti and Ti is what you see at the moment.
I also want to mention that Fi can as a dominant function make me feel quite agitated. I can control myself and those that can't happen to make things uncomfortable for me as this leads to confrontation behavior. Fi people to me seem like they don't care and want confrontation. This then is why they express themselves inappropriately emotionally. The super ego persona is how I act around them mirroring them but the ideal self is more how I want people to be. It's how I am when not in pain. So then they must be in pain also? Or it's just on purpose.
Finding out how energy works as structural is complex. We do not get to say it is measurable in normal scientific ways. Combination exist. So 16x16 for two people and when a person observed that interaction 16x16x16 - more like chemistry of the mind than we would say the orbitals of planets.
Finally to contrast Ne with Ni the first has many possibilities that are open the second got a single idea that must be true. Ti and Te - the first has organized their thoughts as thoughouly as possible. The second has tested many things in the real world. Si with Se - the body is the source of senses vs the exterior world. Fi vs Fe - the first has great intensity with what has caused it, the second trying to distance from the self and see it in others. That's how energy is in Jungian terms.
I hope to infer more later and that people can also by what was said here. I am dealing with integration of it myself. Looking forward to what others have to say.
Energy systems with self control.
Dr. Sigmund Freud called the energy libedo.
His structure for it was id, ego and super ego
Carl Jung made things more symmetrical of how energy's control system was structured. And how it can break down in neurosis.
Energy is not just about sex the way Freud saw it, nor is the unconscious a waste dump for bad desires. Jung saw energy as introvert and extraverted. Extroverts have less awareness that an unconscious exists or is possible. Introverts can see that they have a subjective side. Neurosis is going against ones natural direction of energy flow.
After Jung came socionics. A more advanced version of his theory. MBTI does not actually measure what type a person is. This doesn't mean energy has no structure in the human psyche.
Four layers exist in socionics. The ego self, the super ego persona, the super id Anima/Animus, and the id shadow. Ego is the mediator of the conscious and unconscious. Persona is the outward interaction. Anima/Animus is a perfected ideal self. The Shadow is those processes least understood in the self. Often rejected but must be accepted to gain access to the ideal self.
Extraverts are stuck in the Persona so the Shadow is rejected harshly. Introvert energy as within allows more control of a psyche's exploration as they focus inside more than outside. They are less likely to be attached to the need to act when the environment presents itself in contrast to their proclivities. In other words when they see their shadow externalized.
I had a breakthrough yesterday. That in contrast to what I normally do I found that persona wise. Fi and Se - I let go of the need to correct peoples mistakes. Often Ne Ti allows me to come up with all sorts of ideas. Yet the Shadow of it Ni and Te can be so certain that it is correct I have a hard time releasing those desires to explain why it is not. I am not a narcissist and those personal attacks are not welcome. Yet I saw that because people cannot let go of their absolute certainly that I will never be able to correct that delusion. And never convince them to stop attacking. They are trapped. So all I can do is help myself.
Being that energy flow in the psyche must come in one direction and that I had to stop that flow. It did cause a temporary neurosis. I believe I am a good person and I did not do anything wrong to warrant what I received. So I did not say anything because that would not be the right thing to do. However this led to a Fi Si break down. The ideal self in contrast with the persona. Being told you a bad person is harder to accept when not true and this has been projected onto you. It messed me up. Ne and Ti are not bad. I am not bad. But this shadow energy is in a conflict. So with this in mind I had to accept I could do nothing. Then the energy was reversed and I almost shutdown.
The pain had always been there. This is no one's fault. I now have a greater clarity on things. I just have had a rough time dealing with it. Because Fe and Si is the ideal self, I try to be this way. That is I see how people are and I feel it in my body. Fi and Se then is just the way I present it emotionally. But as reciprocation is not always received my emotional state has increased negative affect. The barrier to this understanding was a strong ego i.e. Ne - this reversed as said. Without it all I had then was Ti and Ti is what you see at the moment.
I also want to mention that Fi can as a dominant function make me feel quite agitated. I can control myself and those that can't happen to make things uncomfortable for me as this leads to confrontation behavior. Fi people to me seem like they don't care and want confrontation. This then is why they express themselves inappropriately emotionally. The super ego persona is how I act around them mirroring them but the ideal self is more how I want people to be. It's how I am when not in pain. So then they must be in pain also? Or it's just on purpose.
Finding out how energy works as structural is complex. We do not get to say it is measurable in normal scientific ways. Combination exist. So 16x16 for two people and when a person observed that interaction 16x16x16 - more like chemistry of the mind than we would say the orbitals of planets.
Finally to contrast Ne with Ni the first has many possibilities that are open the second got a single idea that must be true. Ti and Te - the first has organized their thoughts as thoughouly as possible. The second has tested many things in the real world. Si with Se - the body is the source of senses vs the exterior world. Fi vs Fe - the first has great intensity with what has caused it, the second trying to distance from the self and see it in others. That's how energy is in Jungian terms.
I hope to infer more later and that people can also by what was said here. I am dealing with integration of it myself. Looking forward to what others have to say.
