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I understand that as INTPs many of you will meet this with skepticism, All I can say is that my colleges and I have been reading people for quite sometime and have perfected it into an art. I am 99% percent certain of the validity of this material, and it is constantly being confirmed for me everyday, just by dealing with different types and seeing their cognitive functions in action. So try some of it out, maybe you'll see what I am talking about. I am actually tempted to make a Youtube video about this so I can show videos, analyze them, and point out the functions in real time.
This requires you have at least a basic knowledge of cognitive processes, so if you don't you might want to look the up and get an understanding of what all the jargon I am about to throw out means.
E/I - This one can be tricky, as a person might be talking a lot and still not an Extrovert. You see this mainly in IxxJs. Watch the person's posture: are they leaning forward into the conversation or are they sitting back. An extrovert will generally not lean back unless they are in a dark place in their lives.
What are their hands doing? Introverts like to keep themselves poised, and maybe move their hands around when describing something, but they always go back to their poised positions right after. Plus you can also see an Extrovert (even if they are quiet) get more and more energized as they talk (Unless they are afraid of being hurt, or again, in a dark place.)
Ni: Watch their eyes, because perception, whether it be sensing or intuition is all in the eyes. An Ni user will do something my colleagues and I call the "Ni drift." When they do this, you will see they move their eyes to the upper left corner. It is kind of a dreamy like look, think JD from scrubs, it's exactly like that (Which is cool because he is an INFJ character.) This means that the person is introverting to check their Ni model for more information. Here is a video clip of Jesse Jackson (An ENFJ) using an Ni drift in a really pronounced way: He does it at 0:19 and again at about 1:01, plus other times.
YouTube- Jesse Jackson's David and Goliath speech
Keep in mind these two things, Ni users might hide their drifts in many ways. NJs are very aware of how they look to people and may not want to be seen drifting about in mid conversation, especially the women, do to how rude it is to look like you are introverting in mid conversation. Ni is a left brain function and will usually do it to the upper left, but if they have better control over it, then it might be to the lower left (sometimes to the right too, but I think that might be Ni, and then checking it with Ti), or close their eyes and drift. Also, keep in mind that an Introvert will naturally have to drift more than an Extrovert. Also note (This is very important) that you will see eye drifts to the right as well (This is usually for right brained functions like Ti and Fi)
Oh oh oh! And don't fall into the pitfall of seeing an ISTP's and ISFP's tertiary Ni and thinking they are intuitive. They drift too, only they will not bring out as much as an INFJ for example as that process is not as strong for them.
Ne: The first thing you should notice is that Ne users bounce once their Ne get's going. Check out Milla Jovovich (an ENTP)
YouTube- Milla Jovovich interview
Notice she is continuously moving except for when she has to go in and check her Ti (When she stops and looks to the right)?
Now for her eyes, an Ne types eyes to two things, "Bounce" (again) and "flash." When an Ne using type (that can be INTPs, INFPs, ENFPs, and ENTPs) are pattern surfing for possibilities their eyes sometimes bounces rapidly in different directions, Milla does that at about 1:05.
Also Ne users, specifically ENFPs, will widen their eyes at the person they are talking to while saying something important or otherwise just accentuated. Check out Dom DeLuise at 0:20, see that thing he did with his eyes? That is the Ne flash baby.
Ti - When person uses Ti they will probably look to the right, and drop all emotion on their face, even INFJs with Tertiary Ti do this. You can see Milla Jovovich do this, as I pointed out.
Te - You should be able to see them coming at you with extroverted judgment, but the face will be still an emotionless. Sometimes they raise their eye brows, but it is a "push" so to speak with Te. Kind of vague I know, but It's kind of hard to explain. Also look at how they are listening to the other person talk, if there face is completely straight, and only maybe doing the occasional nod, then it could be Te. This is best compared to the following.
Fe - Fe should be one of the first things to stick out on an Fe dominant type, or even one that has it in Auxiliary position (Although developed INFJs and ISFJs like to hide in their Ti). Basically what Fe looks like is they are using their emotions to push what they are saying, basically accentuating their points.
This is why it is an "extroverted" function, it is directed emotion that is meant to influence and respond to the environment, unlike Fi which is only inner subjective emotional judgment (meant only for the individual.) Every type who has Fe in their top four will use this, even us INTPs, dispite the fact that it is our inferior function.
Fe will come out mainly in two places The Mouth, and the voice. With every type that has Fe higher on the top four you will see Fe appear higher up on the face, all the way to the Eyes. Which means ENFJs and ESFJs will use Fe with pretty much the entire face, and INTPs and ISTP will use it mainly in the mouth, and for the most part keeping the eyes straight. Fe in the voice makes it sound melodic so to speak, using pitch inflections to accentuate their points. This is best understood when compared to Fi.
Fi - Fi will also show up in either the Mouth or the Voice... or both. One thing to keep in mind though, this is introverted judgement, which means it is meant for only the individual. So when you see a person's face contorting with emotion then you should ask yourself "Was that for everyone else or was that for themselves?" When Fi appears in the voice, you are hearing convictions, and the voice will take a more weighted tone, usually somewhat monotonous. But it is basically a tone that is saying "please recognize how important this is to me." For those of you who have INTJ friends, have you ever seen them get intense, like when something important to them is challenged? You know how their voice gets really low and they start speaking in one steady tone? That's Fi.
But to best get these ideas across, I'll show you some video examples of both Fe and Fi.
Cathrine Keener (INFP
YouTube- Catherine Keener interview with Moving Pictures during Toronto 2007
Kim Basinger (INFP)
YouTube- Kim Basinger interview
Okay look at that "awwww" movenment Cathrine Keener has at 0:15. That quick little shrug and what she did with her face was her checking her Fi with how she feels about working with Sean Penn.
Now look at Kim Basinger, at about 1:01 she just send out a torrent of Fi in both her voice and in her face up to 1:09. You can see she is really feeling what she is talking about.
Tyra Banks (ESFJ)
YouTube- Gossip Girl Interview - Tyra Banks
I'm not going to reference any particular point in time because it's all over the place. Notice how every since emotive cue she throws out, ever smile, every eye flash is meant for the benefit of the outside world? Her voice is more melodic and animated, it bounces around different pitches to create interest.
Si - Okay this one might just be confusing, because the eyes will look to the upper or lower left just like Ni, the only thing is this: It doesn't look as "dreamy" as Ni, if that even makes sense. It looks more like they are going inside to just check some details, not go on some Scubs daydream.
Tom Cruise (ISFJ)
YouTube- History of Psychiatry
starting at 0:13, he goes inside and looks at his past attitude of psychiatry. Pretty much everytime he turns to the left, he is checking his inner Si model of the past. You see quite a bit of Fe and Ti in that video clip too.
Se - you can usually see it on Se dominants or Auxiliaries, who mainly take in information from outside details, by observing how responsive they are to outside stimuli. They do a lot of darting of the eyes, and zoning in quickly on things that get their attention.
It's pretty hard to point out what it "looks" like when it is used in real time, especially on a youtube video, I am actually finding myself at a loss for words. You generally have to see it for yourself in person. What I can talk about is how it it look when it is used abstractly. Bare with me here because I am about to vere away from Jungian theory. Se can be used out of real time as a memory keeping function. When used like this then the person is essentially reliving what they went through before. This is different from Si, because Si is generally used to go back and look at little detailed notes they took in the past, while Se is for go back and actually reliving an event. This is why I can remember details like names, and conversations better than my ESTP friend, but he can remember how to get to places better than I can; Because he can go back inside and re live where he was when he took certain turns and what have you. The Jury is still out on whether this is Se at all (And not Ni), but I think it is just because of how tactile it is on the body. When you see a person using this Se "reliving" then their body might start moving and responding the way that it did at that exact moment. For example an Se using Martial artist, when reviewing a fight will start moving their body as if it were happening again.
Some thoughts:
You probably noticed I left Thinking functions pretty brief and when on pretty long about Feeling functions. The reason for this is because Feeling functions are so much more distinctive than thinking functions when trying to actually "see" Them. Every type has a Thinking and A feeling function, and if you can figure out what their feeling function is, then that automatically tells you what their thinking function is, and narrows down your possibilities to 8 types.
I know I left a lot of this pretty sparse so I will be editing more into this; it will be a work in progress. But I hope you guys will find it helpful, and if there was anything I wasn't clear on, let me know.
This requires you have at least a basic knowledge of cognitive processes, so if you don't you might want to look the up and get an understanding of what all the jargon I am about to throw out means.
E/I - This one can be tricky, as a person might be talking a lot and still not an Extrovert. You see this mainly in IxxJs. Watch the person's posture: are they leaning forward into the conversation or are they sitting back. An extrovert will generally not lean back unless they are in a dark place in their lives.
What are their hands doing? Introverts like to keep themselves poised, and maybe move their hands around when describing something, but they always go back to their poised positions right after. Plus you can also see an Extrovert (even if they are quiet) get more and more energized as they talk (Unless they are afraid of being hurt, or again, in a dark place.)
Ni: Watch their eyes, because perception, whether it be sensing or intuition is all in the eyes. An Ni user will do something my colleagues and I call the "Ni drift." When they do this, you will see they move their eyes to the upper left corner. It is kind of a dreamy like look, think JD from scrubs, it's exactly like that (Which is cool because he is an INFJ character.) This means that the person is introverting to check their Ni model for more information. Here is a video clip of Jesse Jackson (An ENFJ) using an Ni drift in a really pronounced way: He does it at 0:19 and again at about 1:01, plus other times.
YouTube- Jesse Jackson's David and Goliath speech
Keep in mind these two things, Ni users might hide their drifts in many ways. NJs are very aware of how they look to people and may not want to be seen drifting about in mid conversation, especially the women, do to how rude it is to look like you are introverting in mid conversation. Ni is a left brain function and will usually do it to the upper left, but if they have better control over it, then it might be to the lower left (sometimes to the right too, but I think that might be Ni, and then checking it with Ti), or close their eyes and drift. Also, keep in mind that an Introvert will naturally have to drift more than an Extrovert. Also note (This is very important) that you will see eye drifts to the right as well (This is usually for right brained functions like Ti and Fi)
Oh oh oh! And don't fall into the pitfall of seeing an ISTP's and ISFP's tertiary Ni and thinking they are intuitive. They drift too, only they will not bring out as much as an INFJ for example as that process is not as strong for them.
Ne: The first thing you should notice is that Ne users bounce once their Ne get's going. Check out Milla Jovovich (an ENTP)
YouTube- Milla Jovovich interview
Notice she is continuously moving except for when she has to go in and check her Ti (When she stops and looks to the right)?
Now for her eyes, an Ne types eyes to two things, "Bounce" (again) and "flash." When an Ne using type (that can be INTPs, INFPs, ENFPs, and ENTPs) are pattern surfing for possibilities their eyes sometimes bounces rapidly in different directions, Milla does that at about 1:05.
Also Ne users, specifically ENFPs, will widen their eyes at the person they are talking to while saying something important or otherwise just accentuated. Check out Dom DeLuise at 0:20, see that thing he did with his eyes? That is the Ne flash baby.
Ti - When person uses Ti they will probably look to the right, and drop all emotion on their face, even INFJs with Tertiary Ti do this. You can see Milla Jovovich do this, as I pointed out.
Te - You should be able to see them coming at you with extroverted judgment, but the face will be still an emotionless. Sometimes they raise their eye brows, but it is a "push" so to speak with Te. Kind of vague I know, but It's kind of hard to explain. Also look at how they are listening to the other person talk, if there face is completely straight, and only maybe doing the occasional nod, then it could be Te. This is best compared to the following.
Fe - Fe should be one of the first things to stick out on an Fe dominant type, or even one that has it in Auxiliary position (Although developed INFJs and ISFJs like to hide in their Ti). Basically what Fe looks like is they are using their emotions to push what they are saying, basically accentuating their points.
This is why it is an "extroverted" function, it is directed emotion that is meant to influence and respond to the environment, unlike Fi which is only inner subjective emotional judgment (meant only for the individual.) Every type who has Fe in their top four will use this, even us INTPs, dispite the fact that it is our inferior function.
Fe will come out mainly in two places The Mouth, and the voice. With every type that has Fe higher on the top four you will see Fe appear higher up on the face, all the way to the Eyes. Which means ENFJs and ESFJs will use Fe with pretty much the entire face, and INTPs and ISTP will use it mainly in the mouth, and for the most part keeping the eyes straight. Fe in the voice makes it sound melodic so to speak, using pitch inflections to accentuate their points. This is best understood when compared to Fi.
Fi - Fi will also show up in either the Mouth or the Voice... or both. One thing to keep in mind though, this is introverted judgement, which means it is meant for only the individual. So when you see a person's face contorting with emotion then you should ask yourself "Was that for everyone else or was that for themselves?" When Fi appears in the voice, you are hearing convictions, and the voice will take a more weighted tone, usually somewhat monotonous. But it is basically a tone that is saying "please recognize how important this is to me." For those of you who have INTJ friends, have you ever seen them get intense, like when something important to them is challenged? You know how their voice gets really low and they start speaking in one steady tone? That's Fi.
But to best get these ideas across, I'll show you some video examples of both Fe and Fi.
Cathrine Keener (INFP
YouTube- Catherine Keener interview with Moving Pictures during Toronto 2007
Kim Basinger (INFP)
YouTube- Kim Basinger interview
Okay look at that "awwww" movenment Cathrine Keener has at 0:15. That quick little shrug and what she did with her face was her checking her Fi with how she feels about working with Sean Penn.
Now look at Kim Basinger, at about 1:01 she just send out a torrent of Fi in both her voice and in her face up to 1:09. You can see she is really feeling what she is talking about.
Tyra Banks (ESFJ)
YouTube- Gossip Girl Interview - Tyra Banks
I'm not going to reference any particular point in time because it's all over the place. Notice how every since emotive cue she throws out, ever smile, every eye flash is meant for the benefit of the outside world? Her voice is more melodic and animated, it bounces around different pitches to create interest.
Si - Okay this one might just be confusing, because the eyes will look to the upper or lower left just like Ni, the only thing is this: It doesn't look as "dreamy" as Ni, if that even makes sense. It looks more like they are going inside to just check some details, not go on some Scubs daydream.
Tom Cruise (ISFJ)
YouTube- History of Psychiatry
starting at 0:13, he goes inside and looks at his past attitude of psychiatry. Pretty much everytime he turns to the left, he is checking his inner Si model of the past. You see quite a bit of Fe and Ti in that video clip too.
Se - you can usually see it on Se dominants or Auxiliaries, who mainly take in information from outside details, by observing how responsive they are to outside stimuli. They do a lot of darting of the eyes, and zoning in quickly on things that get their attention.
It's pretty hard to point out what it "looks" like when it is used in real time, especially on a youtube video, I am actually finding myself at a loss for words. You generally have to see it for yourself in person. What I can talk about is how it it look when it is used abstractly. Bare with me here because I am about to vere away from Jungian theory. Se can be used out of real time as a memory keeping function. When used like this then the person is essentially reliving what they went through before. This is different from Si, because Si is generally used to go back and look at little detailed notes they took in the past, while Se is for go back and actually reliving an event. This is why I can remember details like names, and conversations better than my ESTP friend, but he can remember how to get to places better than I can; Because he can go back inside and re live where he was when he took certain turns and what have you. The Jury is still out on whether this is Se at all (And not Ni), but I think it is just because of how tactile it is on the body. When you see a person using this Se "reliving" then their body might start moving and responding the way that it did at that exact moment. For example an Se using Martial artist, when reviewing a fight will start moving their body as if it were happening again.
Some thoughts:
You probably noticed I left Thinking functions pretty brief and when on pretty long about Feeling functions. The reason for this is because Feeling functions are so much more distinctive than thinking functions when trying to actually "see" Them. Every type has a Thinking and A feeling function, and if you can figure out what their feeling function is, then that automatically tells you what their thinking function is, and narrows down your possibilities to 8 types.
I know I left a lot of this pretty sparse so I will be editing more into this; it will be a work in progress. But I hope you guys will find it helpful, and if there was anything I wasn't clear on, let me know.
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. I, myself, only type people extensively after getting to know them well - there's all sorts of things (like I mentioned above) that could be clouding the real personality; I might say "heh, that crowd looks very SJ," but I won't be as confident as you are in my predictions...there's just too many unknown factors. I'm sort of reminded of the stuff that Sherlock Holmes does whenever I try to type people - but then I remember that Holmes lived in a far more rigid society that had rules, and he simply learned those rules and exploited them. The rules today are a lot more complex, and it would be far harder to perform the sort of analytical magic that Holmes works with that sort of accuracy (at least for me, anyways).
