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The way you backed down after I '''''lost my shit''''' actually told me a lot about your role, but like fuck I had the time to sit and contemplate how this fit into the bigger picture, then construct a case for it.

From the 25th of July onwards, I have six weeks to myself.

Let's play :beatyou:
 

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What? You WERE town???? WTF

... offs. :mad:

I have been telling you for quite a while now. You either didn't take me at my word / thought I was playing some kind of bullshit card, or you missed it entirely (which would make you as absent minded as myself).

Do you seriously think I could be Mafia? I've played in such a ham-fisted way that I could only be a shitty town player.
 

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I have been telling you for quite a while now. You either didn't take me at my word / thought I was playing some kind of bullshit card, or you missed it entirely (which would make you as absent minded as myself).

Do you seriously think I could be Mafia? I've played in such a ham-fisted way that I could only be a shitty town player.

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hahahaha... naw, I'm just fuckin' with ya, dad.



or am I?
 

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I thought so.

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Everyone give Sinny a big round of applause too.
 

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Do you like daggers?
 

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I had my hands of suspicion all over jenny's butt but then I was completely fooled :mad:
 

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I can see the daggers.

*gulp*
 

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My gut got there in the end.

*pats belly*

*pats back*

*pats hypothesised 'third eye' area*

....



......


<_<

>_>


*pats penis*
 

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My gut got there in the end.

*pats belly*

*pats back*

*pats hypothesised 'third eye' area*

....



......


<_<

>_>


*pats penis*

yeah, it was too bad you had that big Hado miss.

Because you ended up not feeling like you could trust your instincts later. You weren't as wrong as you thought, at the time. :)
 

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This is Ni all over. Do you see my frustration? I was way off at the start of the game with Hado, but I have suspected RB for a while, but had no time to make a case - and even if I had time, he played it very well. All I could probably infer is that he's been playing 'a bit too levelled'. Same with you, Jenny. You had the benefit of doubt up until about day two or three, but your 'edging' around topics and odd, incredibly trepidatious vote (combined with the 'ooooh I have no idea wtf!' card) started to reek of poo... but I had nothing to go on, really. It was like "I know you're dodgy as fuck, but... eeeeeehhhh..."

Anyway, well played.

Spec thread, plox.

(NOTE TO ALL IN FUTURE:

FEEL FREE TO TELL MY NI TO FUCK OFF ON DAY ONE, BUT AFTER THAT - LISTEN).
 

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Although to be fair, Sinny did slip under my radar completely. I've had more dealings with her, and saw no difference in her MO... so kudos to her for being (to my mind) consistent.
 

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This is Ni all over. Do you see my frustration? I was way off at the start of the game with Hado, but I have suspected RB for a while, but had no time to make a case - and even if I had time, he played it very well. All I could probably infer is that he's been playing 'a bit too levelled'. Same with you, Jenny. You had the benefit of doubt up until about day two or three, but your 'edging' around topics and odd, incredibly trepidatious vote (combined with the 'ooooh I have no idea wtf!' card) started to reek of poo... but I had nothing to go on, really. It was like "I know you're dodgy as fuck, but... eeeeeehhhh..."

Anyway, well played.

Spec thread, plox.

(NOTE TO ALL IN FUTURE:

FEEL FREE TO TELL MY NI TO FUCK OFF ON DAY ONE, BUT AFTER THAT - LISTEN).

Yeah. I mean, I'm cautious anyway and don't come out swinging, so some of that was just me. (My town and scum play won't look much different, probably.)

So we were both just keying into each other's weaknesses. My best play was to keep hammering on how it looked like the emperor seemed to have no clothes, but it didn't mean you were wrong. :)
 

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Nope, all I see are question marks inside diamonds.

:^(
 

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Although to be fair, Sinny did slip under my radar completely. I've had more dealings with her, and saw no difference in her MO... so kudos to her for being (to my mind) consistent.

Which is just weird to me, because I felt like she was off a great deal early on and had to downplay it publicly... but then again, I also knew what she was.
 

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I don't know what you guys are talking about anyway, I'm Vanilla Town :(
 

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Yeah. I mean, I'm cautious anyway and don't come out swinging, so some of that was just me. (My town and scum play won't look much different, probably.)

So we were both just keying into each other's weaknesses. My best play was to keep hammering on how it looked like the emperor seemed to have no clothes, but it didn't mean you were wrong. :)

You're entirely correct about me second guessing myself, though. After the massive mistake that was Hado, I developed a complete apathy for the game. I'm not usually wrong, so to be so wrong after being so confident, wow. Massive blow.

Still, I come out of this with development points:

- Must only play when I have adequate time
- Must FAR better substantiate Ni-bollocks
- Must lynch RB asap ;)

>_>
 

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Jokes aside, I wanted to set it up so that either Sinny or myself would die and make the other look clean, without drawing attention to Jenny in the process - since she was role-blocker. Couldn't afford to have Jenny die before Cop+Doctor are outed.
 

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A role-blocker?

I clearly did not read the rules of this game :o

It was a good play. Suspect as balls, but somehow pretty clean with it. I knew it was all coming down around me, which is why I voted myself off. It was me, two barely active player and two mafia - with a good case against me. I had backed myself into a corner and there was no way out. A situation which you wisely sought to leverage.

:rip:

Next game (I will play again - if I have time) I shan't be so gobby. I'll take the time to properly consider things, and make cases.
 

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I basically outlined my plans in my QT, and I figured that I could always get this down to 3vs2 by Day 5, which means lynch or lose 2 days in a row for Town. So I took the risk and figured that if it came off, the worst-case scenario was that it'd be Sinny+Jenny instead of myself+Jenny.

But I win when mafia win even if I get lynched, so I would have been fine getting lynched over Sinny Day3.
 

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There wasn't enough to take you down anyway. As I say, your reaction to my outburst was very interesting. There was a period of cooling off, then you addressed it in a somewhat mild manner - then steered the hell clear of me for a good while. In my mind, that was you avoiding further time in the limelight, and letting things blow over... which is (again, in my mind) a huge mafia tell. A townie (or me) would have combated my accusation tooth and nail. From what I know of you so far, you're at least as stubborn as me, and so your reluctance to engage was clearly strategic rather than 'moral highground' - although you could have easily argued that angle had you been pressured.

I occasionally push buttons without any clear idea as to why - even to myself. I got an interesting 'tell' out of it, but also backed myself further into a corner, so it was a terribad move on my part. Insights gained, but now even further away from gaining leverage.

Derp.
 

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yeah, and overall you did get into a scenario where you just looked worse and worse, and in the end pretty much anything you did just made you look, well, even worse if that was possible.

I felt bad leveraging that, but it was part of the game, so...

Anyway, you did keep coming back anyway despite your frustration, so that is pretty admirable. Now with this game under people's belt, I think next time you're gonna be formidable.
 

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- Must lynch RB asap ;)

he's kind of a terror in this game, I know I'll never trust him again in a Mafia setting.

Bussed Sinny out to orbit, then somehow turned around and dodged suspicion. Jeez.
 

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BTW, fuck you Bronto -- you actually were Shit town, "shadow cart" my ass! ROFLmao
 

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Wait is this game over or not? I am so confused.

If not, do not vote period. Mafia can jump onto any townie who is incorrect, or PMJ if he is indeed town and is self voting. All it takes right now is 1 townie to be wrong, and due to majorty, we lose.

If it is done and over it, I have a set up thing I like to tell QT. I go more into detail once the game is over offically, but here it is:

The set up is pretty town favored. Mafia has no anti-check protection, which means that when a cop check comes back, it will always be 100% truthful. The only way to disprove it, is to fake CC it as mafia.

And since the cop can check each night, that means he confirms someone each night. Here, the cop was a bit obv due to his blue talk, yet that can really screw over mafia and is very swingy. In other games, for example, let's us just use TOS as a example, the cop is nerfed by getting a range of roles someone could be. In the newbie game you played in qt, We used either a framer or GF (shows up as town when check) to nerf the full cop.

Not only that, but there is also 2 active blue roles (doc) too without protection against checks. While this isn't too much of a big deal, This means that mafia is very limited in defense, as they only have 1 RB, which might not even work if they choose the wrong person as blue.

My advice, is to either add a GF or nerf the cop by making it a partially cop. Pcops are cops who check if 2 people have the same alignment. so for ex. I check Town!RB n1, no result. N2, I check Town!Urak, Result: same. OR, Town!RB n1, Scum!Urak n2, Result:different.

This lets the cop do it's thing, while not making each check 100% a death sentence. If a Cop reveals with:

A same check, then town has to lynch 1 to confirm what aligment they are both apart of.
A different check, then town has to lynch 1 to see who is scum and who is town.

Just food for thought
 

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Although to be fair, Sinny did slip under my radar completely. I've had more dealings with her, and saw no difference in her MO... so kudos to her for being (to my mind) consistent.

Tbf, it was you, Hado and Gopher I had to fool more so than anyone else. ( & Zerk, in hind sight). You guy's have a good idea of who I am and what I do.

Pulled the blinders over both you and Hado (initially)...
But Gopher and Baron managed to cast Saurons eye over me.

Sods.

Well, wasn't this end just the anti-climax.

Where the hell is QT?
 

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GAME OVER

Mafioso:

Sinny (Mafia Goon), JennyWocky (Role Blocker), Redbaron (Mafia Goon)
 

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Well,

At least I do not have to reread the game now to go through all the possible team combos to see if it makes sense or not.

GG to mafia team! Cannot say I would of caught you or not. Most likely I play another game or two on this site (if there is another one) as this has been refreshing for my town playstyle. I actually had decent posts for a change :D.

It also would be nice NOT to have to go through 1500 posts when starting ;)
 

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Well,

At least I do not have to reread the game now to go through all the possible team combos to see if it makes sense or not.

GG to mafia team! Cannot say I would of caught you or not. Most likely I play another game or two on this site (if there is another one) as this has been refreshing for my town playstyle. I actually had decent posts for a change :D.

It also would be nice NOT to have to go through 1500 posts when starting ;)

Yeah, that was horrible. but you actually made a go at it. You're a fun player and were invested -- you did a really great player assessment the other day -- thanks for joining the crazy crew here.

Basically twilight hits as soon as we have three votes on town or scum, so.... I kind of didn't expect that overall, but we'll take it. ;)

Hope you continue to survive hurricane season!
 

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Yeah, that was horrible. but you actually made a go at it. You're a fun player and were invested -- you did a really great player assessment the other day -- thanks for joining the crazy crew here.

Basically twilight hits as soon as we have three votes on town or scum, so.... I kind of didn't expect that overall, but we'll take it. ;)

Hope you continue to survive hurricane season!

Link your QT? 

Sinny QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/t48mhwb9RjCB

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http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/uH94YEb6Qpwx

Spectators/Dead Thread:
http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/Hxvreg9f6un
 

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Yeah, that was horrible. but you actually made a go at it. You're a fun player and were invested, thanks for joining the crazy crew here.

Basically twilight hits as soon as we have three votes, so.... I kind of didn't expect that overall, but we'll take it. ;)

Hope you continue to survive hurricane season!
Thanks!

I also like to also grats you guys on keeping town from fully discussing Day 1. Idk why so many people are so afraid to talk, especially day 1.

Sure, mafia might kill you or use what you say etc. But if you are Aware of it, and are looking for people who are doing so, then it negates it. And if you die due to some read you posted on X, then mafia might just be X (WIFOM is the other option. Depends on situation.)

I feel like it did limit some of the info town could of gotten out of Day 1 by a bit.
 

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Jenny had me fooled until I saw her outed as mafia after death's embrace.

With a heavy heart I now know I shall never trust her again.
 

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Uh, QuickTwist hasn't ended the game but we did get majority vote on Pmj who was town. So I'm assuming it's only a matter of time.

Tbh the replacements actually made it really hard for me to pin people as scum reads, so I was running out of options to fake believable scumhunting.

Also Sinny, you didn't play badly imo. I bussed you that hard because I thought I had to make one of us die to win. I just couldn't see people buying the two of us somehow staying out of each other's way or actually cooperating.

Even though if I was Town and I thought you were Town, that's exactly what I'd do...just that no one would believe me and I didn't want to have to explain it because even if true, the game's not about what's true, it's about what people will believe.
 

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Thanks!

I also like to also grats you guys on keeping town from fully discussing Day 1. Idk why so many people are so afraid to talk, especially day 1.

Sure, mafia might kill you or use what you say etc. But if you are Aware of it, and are looking for people who are doing so, then it negates it. And if you die due to some read you posted on X, then mafia might just be X (WIFOM is the other option. Depends on situation.)

I feel like it did limit some of the info town could of gotten out of Day 1 by a bit.

I actually don't know why they did that. Day 1 is borderline the most important day. I only have 2 games under my belt (currently playing a 3rd on another site) but so far I find that Day 1 and 2 are huge for both sides. With the right play you can almost guarantee particular Town or Mafia favoured outcomes by Day 3 and 4.

Also it was a pretty big break that Jenny found the Cop Day 1 and I found the Doctor Day 2. Game could have been very different if not for that.
 

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Also Sinny, you didn't play badly imo. I bussed you that hard because I thought I had to make one of us die to win. I just couldn't see people buying the two of us somehow staying out of each other's way or actually cooperating.

Even though if I was Town and I thought you were Town, that's exactly what I'd do...just that no one would believe me and I didn't want to have to explain it because even if true, the game's not about what's true, it's about what people will believe.

Cheers, you played well too, more so.

I feel like anyone who hasn't played this game from both perspective's will be at a remarkable disadvantage from now.

Jenny, you played your cards well.. But those extra amused posts you were making were huge tells from my POV, lol.
 

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There is no shame in being a badass ;)

I would have absolutely done the same. Probably with 500% more fervour.

I totally believe that, lol!

...Also it was a pretty big break that Jenny found the Cop Day 1 and I found the Doctor Day 2. Game could have been very different if not for that.

Wait until they realize we almost NK'ed Gopher on N2, under suspicion of being the doctor. We just thought we had a clear lynch on him for Day 3 (due to the Hado thing), so we took a chance that he wasn't.
 

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Jenny had me fooled until I saw her outed as mafia after death's embrace.

With a heavy heart I now know I shall never trust her again.

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I know, I know...

But I'd only lie in Mafia. I swear!
Well, and if I stole lunch money from little kids.
Or about my weight.

BUT NOTHING ELSE! I SWEAR.

And I did it for you!
So we could have a future together.
Well, except I killed you.
(Well, Baron killed you.)
So that isn't going to work out now.

But it was all for you!
 

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I'm not even all the way through and you talk about me so much.

Edit:

Yokay pretty much every assumption you had about my play was wrong. (Apart from the doctor bit) But hey! It worked out in the end. :D

Honestly Hado in the pre-game, getting a blue role and Hado existing completely messed up my strategy. I had to change my style a lot. Which is probably why people were over/under thinking my play at points.

But no I didn't have genuine emotions about or at anyone at any point in this game so don't worry about that.
 

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I am going to laugh if everyone gets banned for sharing their QT ;)

All of mine and zerks 22 posts :http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/B6TEk2Cy9pxJ

Uh, QuickTwist hasn't ended the game but we did get majority vote on Pmj who was town. So I'm assuming it's only a matter of time.

Tbh the replacements actually made it really hard for me to pin people as scum reads, so I was running out of options to fake believable scumhunting.

Also Sinny, you didn't play badly imo. I bussed you that hard because I thought I had to make one of us die to win. I just couldn't see people buying the two of us somehow staying out of each other's way or actually cooperating.

Even though if I was Town and I thought you were Town, that's exactly what I'd do...just that no one would believe me and I didn't want to have to explain it because even if true, the game's not about what's true, it's about what people will believe.
Oh yeah, Replacements can fuck scum over hard. I have had that happen to me a time or two. I am surprise that replacements were up for Day 3, but I guess silents nights so :/ But Replacements can work both ways. Town also loses all infomation on that person.

However, I feel like you could of exploited (that isn't a nice word...Eexxpollllited) some of zerk's posts and even maybe mine to get me lynched. All you had to really do was quote my experience and say something like "he would know how to play scum, so he could do blah blah blah"

I actually don't know why they did that. Day 1 is borderline the most important day. I only have 2 games under my belt (currently playing a 3rd on another site) but so far I find that Day 1 and 2 are huge for both sides. With the right play you can almost guarantee particular Town or Mafia favoured outcomes by Day 3 and 4.

Also it was a pretty big break that Jenny found the Cop Day 1 and I found the Doctor Day 2. Game could have been very different if not for that.
Yeah I really do not know. You guys did a great job though shutting it down, with the posts like waiting to post X = Town mindset and hero's die post Sinny had. For some reason, Townies fear their own death too much. I mean yes you die, but town still lives.

Also good job on the blue hunting.
 

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I really hope that "attitude incoming" from Sinny doesn't entail her defending or endorsing my ideas ONE FUCKING BIT - because that will completely DESTROY her, "I hate Hado" game, which is working effectively enough right now. But there's no way she can hate on Hado and not simultaneously hate on me at this point. I'm sheeping Hado because it lets her hate us both collectively too - and if she flips red, both me and Hado look more green because it looks like she was just continuing her shtick.

DO YOU HEAR ME SINNY?

DON'T AGREE WITH ANYTHING I SAY IN THIS GAME EVER OR WE LOSE. FO REAL DAWG, THIS IS NOT A DRILL. EVACUATE ANY REDBARON-POSITIVE SENTIMENTS YOU HAVE IMMEDIATELY.

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

That was never going to be a concern, lol.

Also Sinny is now giving up the "HADO IS MAFIA!" shtick. Why now?

Maybe she knows something I don't and it'll help her, but I'd be jumping all over her for that inconsistency because if there's one thing I know about Sinny: it's that once she's decided something she will NEVER EVER EVEREVEREVEREVEREVEREVEREVER relent on the point no matter how wrong she turns out to be. But hey, I have the luxury of pre-knowing what she is, so maybe I wouldn't jump all over her for that one if I was town.

*shrug*


Well, no , actually. I change me mind all the time. But I'll never allow any one to change it for me. The decision has to be mine, and it also has to look like it was mine.

Fuck this is an intense tunnel on Sinny (I'm really sorry btw Sinny

You decided that I was expendable from the start.

*Shrugs*

I don't look terrible because I can just throw her straight under the bus and gather the trust of the Town that way.

I've sewn enough chaos that this game is mafia-winnable. Either by throwing Sinny under the bus and exonerating myself

Sinny is the glue though, mafia can win this one if she goes down in a ball of flames. At the end of the game if we win, I imagine some people will genuinely dislike me for tunneling her so outrageously hard when we're both mafia.

I'm pissed off that I didn't really get a choice in the matter... But your strategy won the game, so how sour can I be?

Sinny's pretty good actually.

She's doing what I hoped beyond hope she'd do which is fight tooth and nail and not pretend to be drunk anymoore.

Er, I wasn't pretending? :confused: lol

Never expected Sinny to suicide and I have no idea how I should play it from here.

BEER MONEY = REDACTED.

Is it reinstated? :king-twitter:

Note to self: the next time two members of the mafia team both suspect the same target as doctor, just NK the doctor instead of trying to be fancy.

:@

Totally agreed.
 

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