Friends in high places will allow for such comforts.
That's cool. Have a nice sleep.
Keep withholding your views. Maybe you can stay under the radar a while longer, eh? Make it over the finish line.
Yeah and Artsu had a psychotic breakdown
Okay, on Gopher: I actually started making my case and have made about 9-10 posts questioning his actions already. So I'll start with this post: http://intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=532508&postcount=246
Gopher, your wording is dodgy as fuck. You state that you can't explain your reasons because you play by intuition. Then when you're pressured to give reasons by Hado because he just can't accept intuition, you give reasons.
You call Cheeseums your, "strongest town read" which turns out to actually just be, "well he's not as scum as my other reads". You've got this huge wealth of experience and know him intimately, your read is weak but you describe it using the word, "strong". Your posts just aren't consistent with one another, and I find them impossible to parse.
Also when I said that I don't believe a Hado-Gopher bus, you said, "actually it IS possible" and I again, denied that I'd buy into that, you came back saying that, "okay so then it's a Cheeseums-Gopher bus?" - you're just strawmanning me here. Me saying, "I don't buy a Hado-Gopher bus" has nothing to do with me thinking that there's a Gopher-Cheeseums bus.
Your motives are unclear, and you're doing a good job of pulling people INTO collective motivation with you. You're experienced enough to know that the win condition of this game is a team one - even if you die, you're setting up the mafia to win because if you flip red, Cheeseums would be next on the chopping block, and he's likely town - unless you're just trying to set up a WIFOM situation where people go, "ooh but Gopher wouldn't so obviously set up Cheeseums that's too obvious!" or some shit.
That said, the Cheeseums-Hado thing is pretty much the only time you've made a case, and otherwise all you've really done is target lurkers. You remind me a lot of Puffy last game. You're more active, a lot of your points are townish - yet your suspicions have all just been tacked onto the coattails of other people's.
You're justifying your ambiguous wording with, "oh but I'm just an ENTP" - which is a joke, but it's playing to the meta. "It's just who I am yo!" isn't and really shouldn't be a viable defence tactic for mafia. It's like the self-voting bullshit from last game, it's just an emotional ploy that makes people instinctively back off because they don't want to violate things potentially personal to them.
Dude what the fuck?
This is what I mean when I say you're impossible to parse. At least use a different colour or something so that it's immediately obvious that there's a response in the quote. Last response you did some weird as shit formatting of Cheeseums posts, then Hado's, now you're on a new format for mine.
Anyway, reading now, will respond soon.
Much appreciated :^)
On Page 3 you just came out saying Cheeseums was Town and just started giving reasons after Hado literally hammered you foor it and told you to stop playing coy. Also, this gem:
WIFOM'ing the shit out of my reads.
That's actually my bad, I didn't read what you quoted from me and I thought you were deflecting the bus to Cheeseums.
Convenient timing, but I have him as a null read for the same reasons so whatever.
I made this post.
And I thought you responded to that with this.
That's actually my bad, I didn't read what you quoted from me but because you posted directly after me, I thought you were deflecting the Hado-Gopher bus to Cheeseums-Gopher bus (because I wasn't buying it).
Since it doesn't look like you're deflecting a bunch of busses, he wouldn't necessarily.
So wait a second, the part in blue: You can use the argument against me that I'm only going for lurkers...even though I've been going for you when you even admit that you're the most active in the entire thread?
I don't really have that much issue with your responses, except for the fact that you're still saying inconsistent shit. But the bussing was a mistake on my part and I know I also tunneled on ESC for lots of inconsistencies, when it turned out he really was just inconsistent.
My problem is this: I actually can't read you either way because you've basically just made everything one big clusterfuck of inconsistent and impossible to understand garble. If you stop doing that, then fine. If you keep doing it, I can't ignore it because it keeps raising red flags - I have to ask you A LOT more questions than others to just to get you to say what you actually mean by things.
Also the fact that you are very experienced, good at playing scum and could easily play this game to a mafia victory makes me not want to give you a free pass. In your words, if you were scum would you actually allow yourself to come up red? Probably not - but I really don't know how scum would avoid it. If there's people who can see through your filters, then why not?
I've seen quite a few games where experienced and really good scum players get ousted as scum early on just because they happened across 1 person who happened to be attuned to their particular brand of bullshit. Feel free to make your case, mine's finished - and yes it was primarily to do with the bussing/the inconsistencies in your posting and the way that you seemingly distort what I'm posting.
But again, that's not necessarily a mafia thing and I'd rather not keep lynching people just for being the most inconsistent because it seems to turn out shit.
That's a fair analysis. The thing I was skeptical of was whether or not you would have gone to that extent of analysis if Hado hadn't pressured you. As I re-read page 3, I was a bit annoyed that Hadoblado had hammered you so damn hard - because then maybe we'd see what level of reasoning you'd provide without prompting. He basically strongarmed you into providing a huge chunk of reasoning, so the more I re-read it, the less I get anything from it.
I guess I didn't read your case on Hado that aggressively, because you didn't really ever hammer him for anything despite agreeing with me that it's good to hammer suspects? I don't know your style, but when you say, "hey great idea!" and then proceed to not follow-through it does look scummy. But again, all I'm reading on you is infinite inconsistencies and wifom everywhere.
If you want you can make it anyway. If nothing else, more cases increases clarity for Town and we can move on to hunting better scum targets.
I'll just ask you more questions if you say stuff that's inconsistent, because if you're mafia then this is actually too easy for you because you're everything is wifom with you - so I have no idea if me reading 47 inconsistencies in your posts means anything anymore because the whole bus thing was a mistake by me.
Last game I was certain that a couple of inconsistent people were scum and they weren't, so hopefully if I don't continue tunneling you it turns out to be a case of me learning when to hit the brakes on a tunnel, as opposed to you outplaying me. At the very least if you're mafia and you win, you didn't win by staging a psychotic breakdown...my ego won't take that hit again
Did anyone ever think Zerkalo was mafia apart from me either? Not even the fucking spectators thought Zerkalo was mafia - but voting patterns don't lie. Mafia can't collude on Day 1, they don't have meaningful time to plan strategy. It's the best time to catch them red-fucking-handed and I caught Zerkalo + Puffy last game using the same process.
Zerkalo last game threw out these stupid little, "oh noooo we lynched a Townie wow so sad :'(" (not word for word, but basically the gist of it)
Zerkalo is caring, but she's not some fucking vapid twat - but can I make a legitimate argument out of such a small thing that people would believe? No. Literally no one would have believed me if I said she put out a giant scumtell from that stupid little sentence.
But scumtells DO come in that form and you CAN find them, just as long as you understand the player, the context and then have something concrete to tie it to: voting patterns.
What I want to know is, why do you think Gopher's inconsistency can just be explained away by stupid shit like, "haha I'm an ENTP
Then when I question him on it, he turns around and says:
"Oh just kidding bro, it's just a silly in-joke that I shouldn't have made."
No shit. He fucking knows it was a slip that Town Gopher wouldn't make. He might have inconsistencies (we all do) but there's small tells that don't fit with people's personalities. Town Gopher doesn't make that comment, because it's a shitty excuse and creates confusion. It doesn't make him look red, it just makes things into wifom.
He doesn't make a more obvious slip like Zerkalo because he's more experienced, but he's not other-worldly experienced. He's about 7 or 8 games experienced, he's still going to slip.
If you want to make a case on why I'm scum for hunting scum (lmfao), go ahead and make one. I'll be waiting.
Also, what about Sinny? Your thoughts on her? FWIW: I still read you as town.
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Okay, pretend my last response wasn't a thing then and we can start over.
Only if you can explain how you can play 3 games of mafia at once and not have an aneurysm
Correct or incorrect, that's your opinion and I'm still not going to buy anything you say, so do yourself a favour and save your breath. Fact is, nobody wants to jump on the Hado bandwaggon, so maybe I'm the shit and misguided player. Who knows. I wouldn't be surprised.
As for your contribution:
1) I think you overestimate yourself; a lot of what you post isn't really all that insightful
2) congrats on not being as busy in RL as me?
Utter bullshit.
Whatever. I'm sticking by my guns; you smell of shit. I think I'm done with this game for the next 12 hours or so, because I have a mountain of work to get through.
BTW, I see what the pattern is now: With Happy and Helvete down, Hado will be the next to go.
(Then we're out of the letter "H" so I have no idea what happens next.)
Rook not getting his role pm until after the start of day 2 means he's not mafia
Thank you QT for making my life easier XD ♡
Nooo im not :'c I really thought that roleblocker and the other 2 mafia have one chat and work together :'c
This is ridiculous. I feel ridiculous even having to explain something like this. My blade runner avatar had nothing to do with you, it was inspired by my recent conversations with a scanner darkly and his blade runner profile pic. If you're so curious to know, I did change my avatar before you did, I remember checking the sign up thread a couple of times after I did and you hadn't changed your avatar yet. I don't even know why you're assuming I'm shadowing you lol I felt like swapping out later and it's not like you're the only one who did. This is all so irrelevant but it does make me annoyed that you think I'm shadowing you wtf...i dont know what you mean about the we we we thing, you mean the exchange of jokes? I thought we were joking around...if it makes you feel any better i really was joking around and never meant any of the jokey crap i said to you. I thought you knew this because you always seem to initiate the joking...
In light of the stuff above i think this comment has a personal dimension to it and I'm not liking this one bit.
Ok i did say I fucked up so obviously I'm taking it back
I know i fucked up with my Helvete push. And I'm sorry for that.
