Forum Mafia Game #2

[redbaron]

Also Bronto, stop lurking. I'm not having Artsu v2.0 in this game.

Vote Bronto

 

[The Gopher]

I'm going back to my original point: I don't think you can both be mafia. If there's bussing going on, it's way too shitty and transparent to be the product of two experienced players.

Well I obviously agree with you because I'm town. I was just stating a theoretical and getting off track.

What does your intuition say about the rest of the 13 players in the game?

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Also you don't have a problem with hado because.... of your intuition?

Because of a history of interaction and discussion. I legitimately don't think Hado could play mafia and have me not see straight through the act. It's a bold claim, but I'll stand by it.

This is literally the same reason his intuition cleared me of suspicion in his mind. We've both been near-daily posters in multiple shared skype groups for upwards of four years now. He knows me very well.

 

[redbaron]

?

I said literally nothing about Cheeseums, yet you're suddenly both on the defensive over it - and now apparently just mimicking my own reasons for not suspecting Hado and applying the template to each other?

You could have had daily conversations, sure - but why do you wait until now to bring that up? You had lots of actual reasons but still hid behind the intuition shtick - which sets you up to not reveal actual reasons later in the game.

Bronto hurrry up and be useful so I can start hammering these two. Even Artsu posted more than you have so far at this point of Game 1.

 

[The Gopher]

How can you be okay with someone playing, "entirely from intuition"? It just allows people to have random thoughts and suspicions without having to coherently justify anything. Don't you see a problem with that?

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I said literally nothing about Cheeseums, yet you're suddenly both on the defensive over it - and now apparently just mimicking my own reasons for not suspecting Hado and applying the template to each other?

You could have had daily conversations, sure - but why do you wait until now to bring that up? You had lots of actual reasons but still hid behind the intuition shtick - which sets you up to not reveal actual reasons later in the game.

I brought it up as soon as I was questioned about it. That's where the original intuition bit came in. In relation to my read on Cheesumpuffs, which was intuition.

Are you reading the thread in context?

 

[Hadoblado]

What was your lurking strategy and why could it help town?

I will reveal that before day one is done. But I'm not ready to.

Who is the other person you have a case as good as the one you have on me on. (cause not telling us who even if you don't make the case means you can change it at anytime and is not transparent)

Why would you not tell us?

I will also reveal this before day one is done. I am not ready to. Unlike other people, I have put positive actions on the table enough to be read. I am the most read person so far, with two people having dragged out my entire filter. Nobody else has had their filter checked. I gave one of my two reads in order to get things under way, and things are now underway. Nobody else has hunted as much as me, and you know that I'm the kind of person who gives enough, but not all. Everyone knows this, look at last game. I have good reasons for not providing this information now, but I will post it later, and it will be consistent. This game is already more about me than anyone else, which is something I explicitly stated I didn't want happening.

FYI it's no longer as strong as the one on you. It's remained fairly stagnant whereas yours has not.

Has your position on PMJ changed since he went to bed saying nothing and with no hunting?

My position on Pmj is this: He is slightly red and he needs to do more. At this point, I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him.

Why are you holding off? The act of holding off is fine in some situations but can you answer this without giving it away. (aka stop being not transparent)

AKA WHY ON EARTH are YOU of all people accusing me of not being transparent when "Don't be transparent" is your presidential motto. (okay that was OMGUS)

I have been partially transparent. You know this and expect it from me. Giving away all my info allows mafia to adapt. ATM, they still don't know what I'm going to do next, and the suspect in question doesn't know to adjust his behaviour before giving me new evidence. I am afforded this position because I'm not struggling to make reads or to hunt scum, the only reason this information is demanded of me is because of availability bias and town having serious issues finding their rhythm. I'm a media sensation.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

How can you be okay with someone playing, "entirely from intuition"? It just allows people to have random thoughts and suspicions without having to coherently justify anything. Don't you see a problem with that?

Where did he voice outrageous or baseless suspicions and justify them with intuition tho? The stuff he said on first 2 pages about jenny Urakro and idk who else were very reasonable suspicions to have and multiple users voiced the same suspicions as well
@gopher that was not defense. I just thought this gopher trial is unnaturally early

 

[redbaron]

I brought it up as soon as I was questioned about it. That's where the original intuition bit came in. In relation to my read on Cheesumpuffs, which was intuition.

Are you reading the thread in context?

Here's what doesn't make sense:

Intuition. I've known cheese rather personally for four plus years. However here, doesn't mess around instantly unvotes and changes avatar to be clear.

That's pretty strong. Four years of daily interaction, but apparently your read on him is weak?

Also I even though I do think green it's not like shining beacon it's more if he continues to act like town he continues to stay green enough to not be on my radar. This does one of two things. First it means he needs to retain this quality or get lynched for obviously dropping off and second it means if he does I can ignore him for higher targets. It's not so much a green read as a "well I have no reason to be suspicious with all the other fish"

How can you have this strong intuition, along with a giant post that you say is all very townlike and your read on him is, "not so much green"?

 

[The Gopher]

I am afforded this position because I'm not struggling to make reads or to hunt scum.

Hah.

Well if we aren't going to talk about each other....

Assuming town is fighting it's self like last game and Hado, RB, Cheese, urok, and I are town. Leaving out Jenny who's not here... Who's mafia? There's obviously at least one mafia probably two maybe even three not in that list.

Helv doesn't stand out to me. Could be good or bad.

PMJ and Bronto are obviously high candidates.

Sinny seems slightly different and seems reluctant to give her intuition.

Then there's happy zerg and Reluctantly.

We can't do much about the two lurkers apart from lynch one today unless they become useful. (still going to lurker lynch if it remains like this since scum or not hado's useful)

I'll need to go back and look at the others and see what scum hunting they've done.

What does the rest of you think?

 

[Hadoblado]

I may as well jump in before you use my holding back to justify your lack of transparency.

I'm like a wall with a large window. You can't see everything through the window, but you know the places that you can't see. And you can see most of the room inside. A lot of things can be inferred from being able to see 90% of a room.

You are like a vat of mixed fluids that you continue to shake. By shaking the jar you can't see anything through it except for glimpses of ambiguous shapes. By not shaking the jar, and just giving us some stuff straightforward, you would allow us to see something, instead of nothing.

Be a windowed wall, not a jar of wifom.

 

[PmjPmj]

Bloody hell, guys. For those of you claiming I'm not very active and thus far my posts are devoid of content, allow me to elucidate:

- I'm in GMT, so most likely I'm going to be active during your work hours, etc. When things heat up in your evenings, I'm probably in bed. There isn't really much I can do about that, save for up and move to a new country.

- It's day one. I don't know how you guys roll here, but me? I like to toss in a few ridiculous comments to hopefully spark some controversy, then see who picks it up and runs with it, who ignores it, who gives it a cursory glance, etc.

Day one is all about throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. None of us are psychic. To that end, it would be unwise to assume that your insights at this stage are worth anything more than a wet fart. You might make a lot of noise, but ultimately you're probably just shitting down your own leg.

I've woken up to a lot of noise in this thread. Who apparently has the most to fight for? Who is hanging back? Motives? I'm suspicious of Gopher (ENTP - ) because he's making a lot of noise... but then he's an ENTP, so perhaps that's just his game. I'm watching him, though.

I'm an INTJ. I poke things and then step back. Deal with it. Or don't, your call. Like Sinny, I put a lot of stock into intuition. In the past (INTJ game aside) it has served me incredibly well.

Note: I'm also getting to know you guys. I'm at a significant disadvantage here. Give me time; maybe I'll come up with something worth listening to soon.

 

[redbaron]

Where did he voice outrageous or baseless suspicions and justify them with intuition tho? The stuff he said on first 2 pages about jenny Urakro and idk who else were very reasonable suspicions to have and multiple users voiced the same suspicions as well
@gopher that was not defense. I just thought this gopher trial is unnaturally early

Bold: isn't that just so convenient though? I mean, you and Puffy just played the last game by wriggling in and around the suspicions of other people. It's what I had you pegged as mafia for on the start of Day 2 - and I was right, when pretty much everyone else thought you were glowingly town.

The fact that multiple people hold the same suspicions isn't something that makes someone any less scum.

 

[PmjPmj]

Oh, and sorry if the above was incoherent. It's 6:35am here and I'm still nursing coffee #1.

 

[The Gopher]

Here's what doesn't make sense:



That's pretty strong. Four years of daily interaction, but apparently your read on him is weak?

[/B]How can you have this strong intuition, along with a giant post that you say is all very townlike and your read on him is, "not so much green"?

Not so much green was a phrase used to address the idea that I was totally and utterly convinced he is town.

To be very clear.

Well he is the most green, my strongest read. But that doesn't mean I'll ignore him if he starts doing funny stuff. He is green from that post and the past. Now we need to look to his future. Most people are neutral. He's a little green. That is my strongest read but it's not a rock wall of confidence. I mean I've known hado for years in a similar way but I'm not confident on him because of all the pre-game shenanigans.

 

[Hadoblado]

@Bronto
I don't want to lynch you. I don't want these people to lynch you, and I won't be voting you day one. I suspect that if you've actually read the thread, be you town or be you mafia, the whole forcing thing triggers your 'fuck that' response.

My thoughts, specifically, is that you'd have a lot of fun if you played. You were the first person I thought of hassling to sign up. You get to mindfuck and fite people4dayz.

So fuck this 'pressure the lurker' game. None of you think that shit will work on Bronto. He's not someone that responds to threats in a productive way. Get that scat out of my kitchen.

 

[redbaron]

Hah.

Well if we aren't going to talk about each other....

Assuming town is fighting it's self like last game and Hado, RB, Cheese, urok, and I are town. Leaving out Jenny who's not here... Who's mafia? There's obviously at least one mafia probably two maybe even three not in that list.

Helv doesn't stand out to me. Could be good or bad.

PMJ and Bronto are obviously high candidates.

Sinny seems slightly different and seems reluctant to give her intuition.

Then there's happy zerg and Reluctantly.

We can't do much about the two lurkers apart from lynch one today unless they become useful. (still going to lurker lynch if it remains like this since scum or not hado's useful)

I'll need to go back and look at the others and see what scum hunting they've done.

What does the rest of you think?

I'm happy enough to lynch a lurker instead of an active-but-slightly-suspicious Townie, because I'm aware that Availability Heuristic plays an even bigger part in this game than I initially realised.

At worst we would have lynched either Ruminator or Artsu. One was mafia and the other was way less helpful than Cheeseums would have been on Day 2 (imo).

 

[Reluctantly]

It's not. I'm just saying I play mafia as town not vice versa. But just pointing out the joys of wifom since if I play both the same way. Town as town and mafia as town then both should look the same. Hence why I've completely broken my meta for this game which I wouldn't want to do if I was mafia because hado would instantly freak out. (case in point, which actually means hado could be town... hmm)

and town has no reason to be worried about being lynched if they are confident in their ability to catch scum.

So to that end I might even avoid defending myself and just hunt mafia.

Alright...I'm with Hado in that I don't want to put too much on the table (except to say this) until at least after day 1. But...this pretending to be mafia as Town that people do

WHY?

You draw so much attention that tunnels thinking and reads. If you are Town, you'd at least want to get other people posting instead of making it all about you, which I do find suspicious, but not enough to assume you are mafia. I don't know yet.

I would like
Pmj
Jenny
Bronto
Cheeseums
to post more with some kind of reads or how they are reasoning other players and not ncessarily the game. At the moment, I've got a read on Jenny, despite that I guess she's gone and we're looking for a replacement. Up to this point, she's been obfuscating the process of questioning and not putting forth any reads at all or serious lines of questioning. If she's still playing, I'd like her to participate or I'm voting a lynch on her, since I don't feel I have enough for anyone else.

I'm also going to recommend that whoever is Cop should check Pmj, Cheese, or Bronto (probably Cheese though just because he's not really helped the game at all, instead asking others to make a move so he can...bit suspicious).

 

[Helvete]

I'v just skim read the thread and will come back with more in a while.

Ok i will get this out now because I'll be proofing for a long time
I don't like the way jenny has been acting up till now. I'm actually semi serious about my vote right now

And what's with Helvete? You're playing exactly the way you've played last game. I thought you said you will up your game and be more useful to town so you don't become an easy NK...whatever happened to that? You have yet to make a post with content. So far you've been picking out people eventhough you haven't posted anything meaningful yourself.

Happy and Urakro slipped so bad and so early...i dont even know what to make of them. Urakro is worse though

Yeah I'm keeping my jenny vote.

Isn't asking people questions part of generating content? I didn't have long last night as I had to work and will be busier now that I have commitments. Last game I was obviously town and got nk'd sure. But I didn't really know what the best approach was and just tried focusing on inconsistencies and proving my townliness. Better I was Nk'd last game than hado the cop.

No.

And she's possibly just being cautious.

See above. It doesn't exactly scream suspicious to me. Less suspicious than previous play style at least. No red flags just yet.

Lol I don't log out. It's just a question of whether or not my devices are on. For the record, I was asleep. That was after midnight. It's now morning and I'm in my way to the office.

Ok thanks for the clarification.

Unvote Happy

 

[The Gopher]

Bold: isn't that just so convenient though? I mean, you and Puffy just played the last game by wriggling in and around the suspicions of other people. It's what I had you pegged as mafia for on the start of Day 2 - and I was right, when pretty much everyone else thought you were glowingly town.

The fact that multiple people hold the same suspicions isn't something that makes someone any less scum.

Well who was suspicious first? I could be wrong but I think I was in most cases.

Bloody hell, guys. For those of you claiming I'm not very active and thus far my posts are devoid of content, allow me to elucidate:

Sure! That's cool! Content means hunting for scum. As long as you have time to do that and make reasoned cases there won't be a problem. The issue is if you aren't actively hunting for scum we have no reason to believe you are not and even if you are town you're not very helpful and you get very wifomy as a lynch suspect. So if you can find the time to make cases and do things town needs to win it should be fine.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Bold: isn't that just so convenient though? I mean, you and Puffy just played the last game by wriggling in and around the suspicions of other people. It's what I had you pegged as mafia for on the start of Day 2 - and I was right, when pretty much everyone else thought you were glowingly town.

The fact that multiple people hold the same suspicions isn't something that makes someone any less scum.

The thing is I would expect someone allegedly experienced like gopher to anticipate town suspicions and voice them first to get town trust points rather than wriggle in and around other players' suspicions. Yes this is my intuition speaking

 

[redbaron]

Not so much green was a phrase used to address the idea that I was totally and utterly convinced he is town.

To be very clear.

Well he is the most green, my strongest read. But that doesn't mean I'll ignore him if he starts doing funny stuff. He is green from that post and the past. Now we need to look to his future. Most people are neutral. He's a little green. That is my strongest read but it's not a rock wall of confidence. I mean I've known hado for years in a similar way but I'm not confident on him because of all the pre-game shenanigans.

Fucking wot?

"Not so much green" = "utterly convinced of his townliness"

Am I really expected to be able to parse that kind of phrasing accurately?

 

[The Gopher]

Alright...I'm with Hado in that I don't want to put too much on the table (except to say this) until at least after day 1. But...this pretending to be mafia as Town that people do

WHY?

You draw so much attention that tunnels thinking and reads. If you are Town, you'd at least want to get other people posting instead of making it all about you, which I do find suspicious, but not enough to assume you are mafia. I don't know yet.

I would like

NO I was talking about a theoretical. that IF I WAS MAFIA I would be acting as town. It was a reply in a specific context about wifom iirc. As town I have no reason to act as mafia.

 

[Hadoblado]

@Pmj
You're also mistaken in the extent to which you've poked. The things you have done have been complete non-events, to which nobody has reacted. You need to poke harder.

I don't mean to be an ass, but even then, you're not really in a position from which to poke. You're kind of in deep shit unless you get it together. ATM Gopher's pushed people onto bronto to take attention off himself. I don't intend on letting people lynch bronto, and you're the next most promising scapegoat for anyone wanting to wriggle out from attention on them.

 

[Reluctantly]

Oh...and also, since we are allowed to claim, if I don't make it very far in the game, remember that you are allowed to CLAIM roles. Since Town has both a Doc and Cop for this game, if the game gets to a later point where it's worth losing the Doc or Cop to get a mafia, you can request everyone say their role. Mafia can't say they are Doc or Cop or the Doc or Cop will know, so they will say they are Town. If there are few town left and you're pretty sure on some reads, it might be worth a shot. But this is for much later of course.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Well who was suspicious first? I could be wrong but I think I was in most cases.

Well...shit...i need to go back and read first two pages. I was writing from memory and my memory might be unreliable...ok im an idiot lol

 

[The Gopher]

Fucking wot?

"Not so much green" = "utterly convinced of his townliness"

Am I really expected to be able to parse that kind of phrasing accurately?

No, not so much green Does NOT = utterly convinced of his townliness.

Not so much green = strongest town read. Say 50% is neutral. He would be 56-64% green. Which isn't so much green. However since nobody else is higher he is my strongest town read.

Actually this translation thing is something I have a problem with every game. Hence why I post so much to clear it up.

 

[Sinny91]

Yeah the intuition comes first. You then follow it and question their moves until the point you can go back and make a case. I would like you to be more active though. Even just a current read of 1-13 of who you think is most scummy.

Not Suspicious < Most Suspicious:

1) Sinny

2) Urakro. Strong Townie read, he's done plenty of interrogating on Towns behalf.

3) Cheese. Townie read. Has been helpful and consistent.

4) Helvete. Townie read. Intuition.

5) Gopher. Townie read. Intuition .

6) Zerk. Townie 'feel', no red flags.

7) Reluctant. No red flags, needs to post more.

8) Jenny.

9) Happy. Demonstrates that he's clued up, time and time again . Could be strong town, or strong mafia. Pending approval.

10) PMJ, could have been wayyy more helpful.

11) Baron.

12) Bronto. Me no like lurkers, especially of the Bronto kind.

13) Hado. Tunnelling seems unnecessary to me. You'll pass it off as meta, but whatever. You think you're gods gift in this game. I'm aware that you could be Townie and it's simply your character I dislike. (In this game). But I think you get hung up on the unnecessary, and confuse people with your conflated logic. Barons smeared by his association with you, and his attack on intuition. Lol.

These will most likely change again by tomorrow, and I won't be broadcasting these lists often.

 

[PmjPmj]

@Pmj
You're also mistaken in the extent to which you've poked. The things you have done have been complete non-events, to which nobody has reacted. You need to poke harder.

Of this I am acutely aware, but thanks for the lesson in sucking eggs, gramps

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

No I was right
Helvete was first to question happy
I was first to question urakro

Gopher did say jenny was acting weird but he didn't pursue this as strongly as i did

 

[The Gopher]

Yeah I like having those lists. Some people hate them but at least it means if someone changes read completely they have to justify it. I've given mine in post #209 with the obvious ones I'm already thinking of although it has a lot in the middle I'll admit.

@Hado

Oh I'm fine with attention on myself but you haven't made your case and you don't seem to want to so I figured we could do something productive with our time.

 

[The Gopher]

No I was right
Helvete was first to question happy
I was first to question urakro

Gopher did say jenny was acting weird but he didn't pursue this as strongly as i did

Oooh now I remember. (also thanks for doing the work for me) Yeah the happy thing was when I first came into the thread and made the first post. I had only read his post at that point and it was more of a joke than anything else. That said he is making me uncomfortable somehow.

Yeah I went on Jenny when she seemed freaked out but that could have been a towny thing so I backed off a little. I keep forgetting what it's like to play for the first time.

 

[The Gopher]

EBWOP actually I probably skim read. To be completely transparent I read his post, made the first part of mine skim read the rest and made the Fos part.

 

[The Gopher]

Okay hado sure don't distract people from me but if you aren't going to make the case on me for another day (and reluctantly) then what are you two going to do for the next day?

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

What? Who? Fos happy? Where did you do that? Wasn't hado the first to do that?

 

[Helvete]

I would like to know why you are holding back the gopher case hado and your other read? I would like to believe it's not just so you can backpedal later.

 

[Reluctantly]

NO I was talking about a theoretical. that IF I WAS MAFIA I would be acting as town. It was a reply in a specific context about wifom iirc. As town I have no reason to act as mafia.

Ahh, I misread that. You're reminding me a lot of Hado from the last game, minus the tunneling (though I can't say why exactly, just intuition or something). I disagree with you on Cheeseums, though. He might be a Town read to you because as you said

Cheeseum is a town read because he exactly did what I expected in his last large post. If he continues that behavior and actively hunts scum he remains someone who's not suspicious enough to look into.

He hasn't really hunted scum, except the beginning Hado vote to kick things off. Do you really find that enough to consider him Town? Honestly, given that Cheeseums playing himself was enough to get him lynched as mafia last game (and early at that), if he was mafia this game, he'd only have to continue playing himself and perhaps go under the radar as acting like himself and a probably townie. I don't buy it, at least not right now.

 

[Hadoblado]

I'm leaving in two hours, and won't be available for the next 16+ after that.

So if you have anything you want from me, ask it now.

@Pmj
What do you think of Sinny's list? If anyone else wants to comment on it after Pmj has, please feel free.

 

[Reluctantly]

Just to clarify my position on Cheeseums, I thought this earlier about him,

Cheeseums seems to assume a position of wanting to help Town, but also hasn't formed any judgements/conclusions/intuitions about anyone yet. Expects everyone else to help him. Somewhat suspicious, though not much different from his playstyle last game. Suspicious and not suspicious.
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[Reluctantly]

@Pmj
What do you think of Sinny's list? If anyone else wants to comment on it after Pmj has, please feel free.

Even though this is directed at Pmj, making a list like hers puts all your cards on the table and can make her a center-piece to mafia planning.

Though granted, there's little detail, making it almost irrevelant to begin with, except for posturing.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Helvete dodged my question

I'll be back later

 

[The Gopher]

Ahh, I misread that. You're reminding me a lot of Hado from the last game, minus the tunneling (though I can't say why exactly, just intuition or something). I disagree with you on Cheeseums, though. He might be a Town read to you because as you said


He hasn't really hunted scum, except the beginning Hado vote to kick things off. Do you really find that enough to consider him Town? Honestly, given that Cheeseums playing himself was enough to get him lynched as mafia last game (and early at that), if he was mafia this game, he'd only have to continue playing himself and perhaps go under the radar as acting like himself and a probably townie. I don't buy it, at least not right now.

Just to clarify my position on Cheeseums, I thought this earlier about him,

Cheeseums seems to assume a position of wanting to help Town, but also hasn't formed any judgements/conclusions/intuitions about anyone yet. Expects everyone else to help him. Somewhat suspicious, though not much different from his playstyle last game. Suspicious and not suspicious.
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That's very true and good points. Hence saying initially my read on him required him to hunt scum for it to continue. And he doesn't seem to have much so.

What are your thoughts Cheese? Who are you most suspicious of? Even just a 1-13 list if you aren't sure so we can question you on it and you can help town.

What? Who? Fos happy? Where did you do that? Wasn't hado the first to do that?

This is my first post. I was talking about the fact I made it before reading the thread properly and thus miss-remembered making the first vote on him. The FOS was after I skim read the thread saw all the votes and had a slight panic about majority lynch and wanted people to know there was another way. (for later in the game when things get close to lynch)

YES WE FINALLY STARTED!

vote Happy

Obviously in a scum team with hado and thus terrified of me.

Seriously though to get things started I'm going to lynch the biggest lurker content/post/suspicion wise by the end of the day unless god himself comes down and tells me someone's mafia. (Well you get the idea anyway)

Also you know you can use.

FOS HADO or something like that (finger of suspicion) which is probably better in case due to trolling a majority lynch happens. (Majority lynch was invented by the devil)

ALSO REMINDER TO SELF DO NOT EDIT THIS POST.

 

[Helvete]

I would like to know why you are holding back the gopher case hado and your other read? I would like to believe it's not just so you can backpedal later.

Hado why are you so against lynching bronto today? I would much rather mislynch inactive town than mislynch active town. If they are scum then it forces them to participate and offer more content to slip up on.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Urg sorry Helvete i just saw post 218
Nevermind my last post

Cya

 

[Urakro]

Nah, goph is probably town. At least if he is, it would really suck to lose him in a mis-lynch. This seems to be all turning out to be another ESC/cheese lynch like the last game.

Jenny has left the game seeking a replacement. And I really had no read on her at all. Bronto has posted in the forum, but still hasn't stopped by.

I only get wishy-washy with happy and helvete. They just chillin'.

 

[The Gopher]

Also reluctantly keep it up.

Helevte. Do you have any current reads?

I do think hado has given himself too much power in the ability to change his mind at anytime. See if he was using a Forensic CaseNote file where everything is time-stamped and unable to be changed I wouldn't mind so much. But maybe that's not gonna work with outside quoting and screenshots? (QT Let me know)

See sure he has the "right kind" of not transparency but anything like that can give mafia power and mafia would do it in the most/least ethical way they can get away with to not draw suspicion.

That said there are reasons you might want to hold back. However I would just hold back altogether not throw suspicion on people because of reasons in the future. But that's a stylistic difference maybe.

 

[redbaron]

I'm just going to go and post-by-post the exact order of everyone's votes so far so we can stop stop turning in circles playing, "he said she said" already.

Happy votes Gopher

Zerkalo votes Jenny

Cheeseums first to vote Hado

Jenny votes Happy

Gopher votes Happy, then FOS's Hadoblado

RB votes Pmj

Helvete votes Happy

Gopher now unvotes Happy

Cheesums now unvotes Hado

Pmj votes Sinny

RB unvotes Pmj

Gopher votes Bronto

Sinny votes Bronto

RB votes Bronto

On that note: Unvote Bronto

There's 2 whole days left and I don't want to have a lynch with that much time on the clock. I'm still pressuring him to contribute but I don't want him lynched before he's even had a chance.

Gopher put his vote on Happy right after Jenny's joke of, "he's too happy" but then he continued on to not actually pressure Happy at all, and instead went hard on his FOS on Hadoblado. So he votes Happy (severe) and only FOS's Hado, but then all his energy gets apparently directed at Hado, who Cheeseums actually voted.

Then he goes on to defend Cheeseums from Hado, trying to justify why Cheeseums' post is actually solid and he's his strongest town read.

His only original vote came on Bronto, after a bunch of people already aired suspicions about his lack of activity.

 

[Hadoblado]

@Helvete
Because it's basically a no-lynch, and I don't believe Bronto would lurk this hard as scum by intention. Either he wanted to be scum and isn't, he was thrown in the game off the back of a flippant remark, or he's changed his mind about wanting to play.

I don't think pressuring Bronto the way people have been would make a town bronto want to play. He's more likely to be turned off playing by all the time, effort, and pressure he'd suffer by playing.

Lynching bronto gives us no information (other than I guess, giving everyone a knee-jerk scum read on me for defending him). Leave it to the cop to check him so that we don't have to waste time lynching lurkers.

It's also wasting town attention and absorbing the pressure they would otherwise exert.

I read him as mildly (and I mean mildly) green, because a scum bronto would be more likely to come in and troll us than to sit idly by. If anything was behind the urge for him to sign up, it was the possibility of that scenario. There are many lynches I'd prefer over Bronto, either because they're more red, or because they'd give us more information.

 

[Urakro]

And I can't read zerkalo for shit either.

 

[The Gopher]

Nah, goph is probably town. At least if he is, it would really suck to lose him in a mis-lynch. This seems to be all turning out to be another ESC/cheese lynch like the last game.

Same reason despite being paranoid as all get out about hado I would prefer a lurker lynch just so I don't look like an idiot.

Also a lot of the more active people seem to think in a circle of town right now. Maybe I should make a chart...

 

[redbaron]

Hado, why do you read Pmj as green? I have my own reasons that I'll elaborate on in a bit, but I want to hear yours first.