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For instance

Soft rule #1: Be forthright, describe your reasoning, no games, no being funny. It just makes things confusing for us trying to descern who's town and how's not.

Soft rule #2: If after the 3 days, a person has not posted anything substantial (eg, few, short posts ) it will create an automatic lynch. Sure, they may be innocent, but they are the weakest link anyways.

..etc,
as examples....

Okay, that makes more sense to me, although it's kind of just basic play strategy... For some reason, I thought you were suggesting some kind of artificial ruleset (versus inherent rules, like the ones Hadoblecho describes) and I had no idea what you were imagining.
 

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I thought you were going to do a deductive process? Scratching off sure town-reads and seeing who's left?

I just recalled that now, I wasn't trying to appear town the whole time because of that.

That's basically what I'm doing and it's why I'm starting with lurkers. Everyone who's posted is more suspicious than a lurker, but that's just because they've actually posted. I probably never would have picked Artsu last game and losing to a lurking mafia is just offensive.

Like he just sat there having a fake psychosis and wins the game without even trying. I'll make cases against people, when people are all contributing. If there's people not contributing, I'm trying to lynch them. Otherwise what's the point? Last game the mafia just sat around and let the Town tear itself apart, so my objective for this game is to at least make the mafia play the fucking game if they want to win.

Also I'm on phone so cbf formatting quotes, but I don't know why you'd just drop suspicion on me. Like the reason is dumb because roles are randomed and I was actually making a joke that he's only the best by default, it was facetious, not complimentary - but until I said this, you wouldn't know that.

Same as last game, the problem Town faces is that people think in weird patterns and don't trust their suspicions, while simultaneously wanting to do some weird meta-game thing that could hypothetically work - but it's majority of Town's first ever mafia game. The result is a bunch of Town going in circles and never picking a direction, so the scum just do what scum do best - sit back and watch the world burn.

At this point I have more 'terrible town' reads than there are mafia in the game, along with 3 lurkers. I'm sure there's mafia in there somewhere (I don't think both Hado and Gopher are mafia, one maybe but I doubt both) but I want to at least let the lurkers pipe up this time before I start tunneling.

Also because I don't want another RB-tunnels-everyone-show-while-half-the- town-posts-once-a-day type of game.
 

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Also I'm on phone so cbf formatting quotes, but I don't know why you'd just drop suspicion on me. Like the reason is dumb because roles are randomed and I was actually making a joke that he's only the best by default, it was facetious, not complimentary - but until I said this, you wouldn't know that. Also I'm on phone so cbf formatting quotes, but I don't know why you'd just drop suspicion on me. Like the reason is dumb because roles are randomed and I was actually making a joke that he's only the best by default, it was facetious, not complimentary - but until I said this, you wouldn't know that.

EBWOP: the point being that you basically put pressure on me, then removed it just as quickly. If you're Town, why do this? Everyone that isn't yourself is a suspect.
 

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EBWOP: the point being that you basically put pressure on me, then removed it just as quickly. If you're Town, why do this? Everyone that isn't yourself is a suspect.

I was using that example to make a point on how one thing alone is a baseless claim. Also, it was the only thing I had at that time, and so voting you at that moment would have been pointless. I used that example to compare to other people who were doing just that.

It wasn't a genuine case against you to begin with.
 

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Lol phone wigged out and crashed my post in progress died.

Short version is that the vote is Town's most important weapon and there's no point in stashing it for a rainy day. But as long as we don't have to have the "but I don't wanna lynch day one!!" argument I guess there's no problem.

PmjPmj you assrod, get in here.
 

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Gopher,

Your acting just like puffy did the last game. Being soft and agreeable to the most active posters, and playing devil's advocate. You are not convincing me that you are town, and I'd like you to.
 

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My planned lynch list, starting at most suspicious:

1. pmjpmj (unless he starts posting)
2. bronto (same, plus no effort, needs more thought)
3. Gopher
4. Sinny
 

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What have I done to get on your list?
 

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@sinny

Just to get you talking. Your sitting back a little too much and being mellow. What do your spidey senses say?
 

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Jesus people, I go to bed at 7 responses and wake up to 100+.

I'm even more behind starting out than I was last game, god dammit.

4) @Cheeseumpuffs
Please change your avatar. It's not to town's benefit to have you confused with Sinny. Also take your vote off me plznowty.

Done and
unvote Hado

done.

That's a bit wishy washy Zerkalo. What level of read allows you to lynch someone? If someone's a 50/50 in your mind you'd lynch them right?

What's 50/50? A null? Then no. Obviously if i have a hunch that someone's scum, i would not consider it compromise. But if u pull stunts like "if we lynch probable town A, it would prove B's alignment" then don't expect me to partake...just putting this out there

A 50/50 is not a null.

Null is a 3/13. A 50/50 is a 6.5/13. 50% certainty is a pretty strong read.

I think the disparity here is just a different way of looking at it. The way I see it (and I assume this is what zerk means as well), everyone starts at 50/50. Either they are mafia or they aren't and there's no real evidence to show this either way so they're at 50%. It's a more intuitive way of playing, I think but I understand that it does lend itself to WIFOM more than just playing the numbers, which is how it seems you're(hado) playing. So essentially I think, at the moment, you guys are saying essentially the same thing but just in different ways.

@QT you said 11/13 Confirmed. I'm 12th...who's 13th? Bronto? I get the feeling he's not up to play and this is artsu all over again

I will not be sharing this information. If players wish to discuss this that is fine, but my lips are sealed.

I'm pretty sure it's me. I was out with friends last night and ended up coming home to see the game had started. So I confirmed my role and then went in to the thread to see he'd already declared 11/13 confirmed. So if I'm *not* the last to confirm then he made a mistake somewhere.

Hado is already FOS'ing me, and I really can't see why. I'm being as forthright about my thoughts as I can, and I'm merely trying to help. Don't eat the help!

Yeah, he has a habit of doing that :D

My advice is not well-thought out, and probably plain wrong, you'd have to admit that I'm more likely a really bad town player. My line of thinking was to make it hard for liars by being unpredictable (like making them recount details of a story in reverse), thus followed an idea of turning this mafia game a lot different than any others played. A scums plan that they had surmised since discovering their role would be over-turned by a game with much different rules.

I'm actually kind of attracted to that idea, as I often find it useful to befuddle opposition by turning any game I'm playing on it's head (not relevant, but I do this all the time in Smash Bros by playing like a fucking retard and somehow the absurd and counter-intuitiveness of the timing actually ends up letting me do very well for myself). That said, I think this game itself by its nature turns people on their heads already and a lot of people aren't sure what to think/expect, so jumbling everything up again will only cause problems. If anything, that would be more beneficial to the mafia, as they already know more of what's going on than the rest of us.

I'm really not all that meta-strategy-gamerz-skill. I'm actually quite a simple person.

It's humiliating as hell, but I really am that simple.

Yeah, apparently people have a habit of punishing being simple and open.

<insert stray thought about how Urakro may be trying to act like I acted last game because I turned up town and acting like a controversially deceased town is a decent way to appear town.>
<insert the follow-up thought that I also would totally believe that he's just trying to be open because he's just playing like I would play and that makes 100% sense to me as a playstyle.>

Man, I hate this game.

EBWOP: the point being that you basically put pressure on me, then removed it just as quickly. If you're Town, why do this? Everyone that isn't yourself is a suspect.

Because I think he suspicion was an intuitive "hmm, maybe.." and he mentioned it. But then the intuition passed and left him with his dick hanging out so he put it back away.

I did the same thing last game with Sinny, Zerk, and Neb all at different times.

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I'd like to think this post so far has shown my intention to be useful, but I thought my posts last game showed the same and apparently they looked like vague bullshit and got me killed. So here's the thing:

I want to be useful. I want to help the town. But, as the last game showed, I'm really shit at that when I'm left to my own devices. Especially seeing as I'm seemingly operating from a perpetual state of WIFOM.

I need direction. I need to know how best I can help the town. Ask me questions, make me form opinions on people, make me defend myself, I don't care. Just help me be useful.
 

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@sinny

Just to get you talking. Your sitting back a little too much and being mellow. What do your spidey senses say?

Yea, I'm a bit under the weather today..

I don't think there will be any obvious tells on day one
I think everybody who has contributed so far is playing g a casual Townie role, knowing that evidence make an appearance in this chapter.

I'm cautious moving forwards, in regards to outlining all my suspicions, that seems to empower the mafia is the previous game. Gave them knowledge I should have kept to myself.

I get Townie feels from you, Zerk and Helvete.
 

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Yea, I'm a bit under the weather today..

I don't think there will be any obvious tells on day one
I think everybody who has contributed so far is playing g a casual Townie role, knowing that evidence make an appearance in this chapter.

I'm cautious moving forwards, in regards to outlining all my suspicions, that seems to empower the mafia is the previous game. Gave them knowledge I should have kept to myself.

I get Townie feels from you, Zerk and Helvete.

Bloody phone

EWOB? I can't remember the abbreviation.

*knowing evidence doesn't make an appearance in this chapter.

* Seemed to empower the mafia in the last game.
 

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Ok, don't worry about being on my list. pmj is the most likely to get my vote, followed by bronto.

Not only you, but other people are saying there is no information at all. There's 112 posts so far. If there is absolutely nothing, then at this rate, we'll be into our second day with maybe 1 thing to go off of. It's procrastination. There's lots here to sift through and think about.

And I'm not forgetting about gopher, who I want to get here, and tell me why he's playing like a spectator with no role in the game. He's posted lots, but consistently not being himself. He's acting like a no-one.

I'm swinging the hammer right down on him, and I'd like him to tell me what his game is.
 

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*Enters thread with a violin case in one hand and a severed horse head in the other*

This is exactly what it looks like.

Or is it?

:phear:
 

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Nobody about?

*hangs up fedora*

*removes tommy-gun from violin case and begins to polish it, all the while whistling Sinatra's 'my way'*
 

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Where have you been, what have you been up to? And just where are you going? ... And ...

And... Is that lipstick on your collar? :beatyou:
 

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Sorry, I have been in and out of meetings all day. Then, I (rather uncharacteristically) went out to socialise.

Today, I am an ENTJ.

Yes, this is lipstick. What you gonna do about it, schweetheart?
 

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Sorry, I have been in and out of meetings all day. Then, I (rather uncharacteristically) went out to socialise.

Today, I am an ENTJ.

Yes, this is lipstick. What you gonna do about it, schweetheart?

'bout time.

Got anything constructive to add to this conversation? You picked a really fine day to be out SOCIALIZING.
 

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Sadly, I do not. I'll have a read before I go to bed.

Personally, I reckon that all the cool kids (like yourself) will have special roles. Of course, this could be a ploy to detract attention from myself.

I do love ambiguity.
 

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Sadly, I do not. I'll have a read before I go to bed.

Personally, I reckon that all the cool kids (like yourself) will have special roles. Of course, this could be a ploy to detract attention from myself.

That's the logic.

I do love ambiguity.

...if you're trying to fog up a Town read on yourself, you're doing a great job. maybe you want to try again?
 

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schweetheart?

Ugh, of all the misogynistic buzz words... ! Lol

Don't worry your self with what I do now, worry about what I do when I'm Gone.
 

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Creating confusion, trying to look like town.

Can you ramble sensibly. What do you think of zerks stance on lynching?
No.

And she's possibly just being cautious.
I too would be interested in what Happy has to say about zerks stance on lynching.

After Happy is done, I want to hear what gopher thinks about it too.
See above. It doesn't exactly scream suspicious to me. Less suspicious than previous play style at least. No red flags just yet.
I'm going to bed, I have to do real life tomorrow. In the meantime I've noticed Happy is still online and lurking probably. Not really helping town of sorts anyway.

As I still want answers:

Vote Happy
Lol I don't log out. It's just a question of whether or not my devices are on. For the record, I was asleep. That was after midnight. It's now morning and I'm in my way to the office.
 

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*Enters thread with a violin case in one hand and a severed horse head in the other*

This is exactly what it looks like.

Or is it?

:phear:

Nobody about?

*hangs up fedora*

*removes tommy-gun from violin case and begins to polish it, all the while whistling Sinatra's 'my way'*

I like you
 

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Yea, I'm a bit under the weather today..

I don't think there will be any obvious tells on day one
I think everybody who has contributed so far is playing g a casual Townie role, knowing that evidence make an appearance in this chapter.

I'm cautious moving forwards, in regards to outlining all my suspicions, that seems to empower the mafia is the previous game. Gave them knowledge I should have kept to myself.

I get Townie feels from you, Zerk and Helvete.

I think you're wrong about not being any obvious tells on day one.
 

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I like you

I'll be honest, I'm uncomfortable around ENTPs. They're usually annoyingly smart and quick off the mark.

So I'll trepidatiously offer a 'Likewise', but fully retain the right to retract that at a moment's notice.

We cool?
 

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I think you're wrong about not being any obvious tells on day one.

I'd ask you to enlighten me, but apparently you keep your cards close to your chest.
 

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I'll be honest, I'm uncomfortable around ENTPs. They're usually annoyingly smart and quick off the mark.

So I'll trepidatiously offer a 'Likewise', but fully retain the right to retract that at a moment's notice.

We cool?

We cool. You're probably right to make that judgment.

But I stil want to know what you did with that horse head. We've resolved the violin case, but the picture remains incomplete.
 

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I left it in Sinny's bed.

As a warning.
 

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I'd ask you to enlighten me, but apparently you keep your cards close to your chest.

Day one can be the most telling. Peoples first moves in a group are often awkward and uncalculated. The uncertainty with which they make their first actions often reveals their motives on an abstract, qualitative level. This is more true in RL Mafia/werewolf games, but I observed last game that it holds relatively true here too. The way people respond to unjustified accusations is also where I look for my red flags.

That's enough for now.

I'd like to hear from bronto. Even just a little hello will suffice
 

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Ladies and gentlemen (and Sinny),

I must retire for the evening.

Please don't do anything irresponsible in my absence.

xoxoxox
 

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Alright, starting work now. I may check my phone intermittently throughout the day, but I'm probably just going to be in the zone for the next 9 hours. Cheerio!
 

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As uninformative and pointless as all Pmj's posts were, I don't think he's the best mafia candidate.

Unvote PmjPmj
 

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As uninformative and pointless as all Pmj's posts were, I don't think he's the best mafia candidate.

Unvote PmjPmj

At this point do we have a best mafia candidate?
Isn't the goal of day 1 essentially to discourage anti-town behavior? (of which being useless is an example of)

If anything, your willingness to unvote pmj is more odd than Urakro taking back his suspicions of you. pmj has gone from being benignly useless to actively useless. Based on your previous play, it would make more sense for you to step the heat on him.
 

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I'd agree he didn't post much substance, but now at least he's a bit better standing than bronto.
 

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At this point do we have a best mafia candidate?
Isn't the goal of day 1 essentially to discourage anti-town behavior? (of which being useless is an example of)

If anything, your willingness to unvote pmj is more odd than Urakro taking back his suspicions of you. pmj has gone from being benignly useless to actively useless. Based on your previous play, it would make more sense for you to step the heat on him.

Pretty sure he's just pulling a Happy from Game 1 and relishing the idea of being super edgy and making it look like he's mafia but not - or is he? Or is he cop? Or mafia? Or town-cop-mafia-doctor?? OOoooOOOOooo

I read Happy as town for this same shtick in the first game, and I was right. I've only ever played 1 game of mafia and all I can do is test and re-test my experiences until I can see a pattern of rightness forming.

Yes we want to discourage anti-town behaviour, but we don't want to lynch bad townies - we want to lynch actual mafia. It's shit to have bad townies, but it's worse to lynch them as well.
 

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Redbaron proved to be a dodgy, inconsistant Townie in the last game.

I think we should all be careful in trying to separate Bad Townie from Mafia... As per Barons previous advice :p
 

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Pretty sure he's just pulling a Happy from Game 1 and relishing the idea of being super edgy and making it look like he's mafia but not - or is he? Or is he cop? Or mafia? Or town-cop-mafia-doctor?? OOoooOOOOooo

I read Happy as town for this same shtick in the first game, and I was right. I've only ever played 1 game of mafia and all I can do is test and re-test my experiences until I can see a pattern of rightness forming.

Yes we want to discourage anti-town behaviour, but we don't want to lynch bad townies - we want to lynch actual mafia. It's shit to have bad townies, but it's worse to lynch them as well.

For the record: I'd have acted that way in the first game whether I was Mafia or not. I'd decided that before we started. Just to annoy you all, really. I had fun.
 

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Redbaron proved to be a dodgy, inconsistant Townie in the last game.

I think we should all be careful in trying to separate Bad Townie from Mafia... As per Barons previous advice :p

I agree with this completely.

But let's not get too wrapped up in game 1 because it's not a reliable precedent. People play different personalities each game, or at least the good players do.
 

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I'm an edgelord for sure.

I'm so edgy I cut people who brush up against me.

All edges.

(and now I really am going to bed).



(OR A-

Yes, yes I am).
 

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Players
1. PmjPmj - 0
2. Reluctantly - 0
3.Helvete - 0
4. Breadbaron - 0
5. hadototheMtotheothertothemotherfuckingblado - 0
6. Jennywocky - 1, zerkalo
7. Bronto (The Shadow Cart) - 0
8. Sinny 91 - 1, PmjPmj
9. The Gopher - 1, Happy
10. Cheeseumpuffs
11. Happy - 2, Jennywocky, Helvete
12. zerkalo - 0
13. Urakro - 0

Not Voting: Gopher, Cheeseupuffs, Redbaron

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Day Ends in ~2days 7hours 7min
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...3&p0=159&msg=Mafia+Forum+Game+#2&font=cursive

vote Gopher

Vote jennywocky

vote hado

Vote Happy

vote Happy

Vote PmjPmj

Vote Happy

Unvote Happy

unvote Hado

Vote Sinny91

Unvote PmjPmj
 

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

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1. PmjPmj - 0
2. Reluctantly - 0
3.Helvete - 0
4. Breadbaron - 0
5. hadototheMtotheothertothemotherfuckingblado - 0
6. Jennywocky - 1, zerkalo
7. Bronto (The Shadow Cart) - 0
8. Sinny 91 - 1, PmjPmj
9. The Gopher - 1, Happy
10. Cheeseumpuffs
11. Happy - 2, Jennywocky, Helvete
12. zerkalo - 0
13. Urakro - 0

Not Voting: Reluctantly, Hadoblado, Bronto, Cheeseumpuffs, Urakro, Gopher, Cheeseupuffs, Redbaron

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Day Ends in ~2days 7hours 7min
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...3&p0=159&msg=Mafia+Forum+Game+#2&font=cursive

vote Gopher

Vote jennywocky

vote hado

Vote Happy

vote Happy

Vote PmjPmj

Vote Happy

Unvote Happy

unvote Hado

Vote Sinny91

Unvote PmjPmj
 

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Dude, you missed me on your no vote list, twice.
 

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Redbaron was not dodgy and inconsistent last game. He was the most consistent town. You may have disagreed with him, and you may or may not have been right, but that doesn't make him dodgy or inconsistent.

Unvoting pmjpmj is what I'd do if I was rb. Why? Because pmjpmj has now promised to be active through precedent. Bronto has done no such thing, therefore given RB's anti-lurker tendencies, it's consistent for him to switch vote onto Bronto.

Not that I have a town read on RB, but I do see both addressed claims as false.

@Cheeseumpuffs
Yeah the numbers thing was me explaining myself, not correcting them. I switch systems without realising routinely. For instance, I said 3/13, which is something I corrected RB for last game. It's 1/4 because you don't count yourself in the number. Then I was ambiguous about my parsing the ambiguity...
 

Hadoblado

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Gopher I believe Happy's now given his input. Your turn.

@The people who are floundering
You must have suspicions. Try to act in such a way as to test those suspicions. Do it of your own accord and this will help you look town while also helping your understanding of who's mafia. For instance, I suspect Gopher, I asked him a question which he will soon answer. I have an idea of what his answers might mean. If I fail to adjust my read from what he says, I've still forced someone to say things that they can be held to later. For instance, if Gopher says that the reasoning for Zerk's ideas about lynching are terrible, a scum gopher no longer has the option to support any notion that works on the same principle as Zerk's ideas. You deny them wiggle room, which limits their power, even if you don't know they're scum.

It is the people who refuse to be limited in this way that we lynch, because they're trying to keep their options open for future lies.
 

Hadoblado

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And what's with Helvete? You're playing exactly the way you've played last game. I thought you said you will up your game and be more useful to town so you don't become an easy NK...whatever happened to that? You have yet to make a post with content. So far you've been picking out people eventhough you haven't posted anything meaningful yourself.

Helvete I want to see an answer to this.
 

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Hardly the most consistent.

But yea, good advice, following on.
 

The Gopher

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The reasoning for Zerk's ideas are terrible, but understandable in how they came about. Now sure don't consolidate on someone you personally think is town. However if you are 50%-50 split on if you think they are or not lynch them. (unless they're really active cause that could be useful later) ESPECIALLY if they are lurkers who I said in my first post we should lynch. (cause of all my reasons in the last post I made about this)

So if 50-50 and they are bellow 50% activity (or maybe less but lets keep it large so people need to post) there should be no statistical reason not to consolidate (but if everyone votes them then obviously mafia don't mind the lynch either so we need to watch that)

The way I imagine the lynch going down is people not sure until eventually a lurker lynch happens. The ball gets rolling really quick.... too quick... then suddenly someone suggests switching off cause obviously mafia don't mind this lynch and we pick a different lurker.

I'm awake.

I've read the thread but not in as much detail/responding to stuff I should will go back when I'm properly awake as I think urko addressed me.

Urok has me wifom'd for days. I can't tell if what he's doing is town or scum motivated.


When should I expect your case?
 
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