Okay, on Gopher: I actually started making my case and have made about 9-10 posts questioning his actions already. So I'll start with this post:
http://intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=532508&postcount=246
Gopher, your wording is dodgy as fuck. You state that you can't explain your reasons because you play by intuition. Then when you're pressured to give reasons by Hado because he just can't accept intuition, you give reasons.
Where did I say this? If it's not in quotes it's practically hearsay. I believe I said the initial reason was intuition, aka it looked exactly like what town cheese would have posted. I then went and looked for reasons why my intuition told me that.
You call Cheeseums your, "strongest town read" which turns out to actually just be, "well he's not as scum as my other reads". You've got this huge wealth of experience and know him intimately, your read is weak but you describe it using the word, "strong". Your posts just aren't consistent with one another, and I find them impossible to parse.
Well strongest town read was said on the specific instruction he continue the quality in his posting, which just fyi he hasn't and ended up a scum read then he came in with excuses and I'm kinda null right now.
Also when I said that I don't believe a Hado-Gopher bus, you said, "actually it IS possible" and I again, denied that I'd buy into that, you came back saying that, "okay so then it's a Cheeseums-Gopher bus?" - you're just strawmanning me here. Me saying, "I don't buy a Hado-Gopher bus" has nothing to do with me thinking that there's a Gopher-Cheeseums bus.
Yeah it's totally possible, I was just pointing out that your reasoning was wrong and the reasons for it. When did I ever mention a cheesums-gopher bus? If you can't find the quote I'll assume it doesn't exist. This entire paragraph of yours doesn't make sense to me based on what I remember. At the most all I remember is saying he's just backing me up on the fact we know each other.
Your motives are unclear, and you're doing a good job of pulling people
INTO collective motivation with you. You're experienced enough to know that the win condition of this game is a team one - even if you die, you're setting up the mafia to win because if you flip red, Cheeseums would be next on the chopping block, and he's likely town - unless you're just trying to set up a WIFOM situation where people go, "ooh but Gopher wouldn't so obviously set up Cheeseums that's too obvious!" or some shit.
Why would Cheesums be on the chopping block if for the last day I've started to lean scum? Do you have a case that isn't days old? Have you taken into account any new evidence?
That said, the Cheeseums-Hado thing is pretty much the only time you've made a case, and otherwise all you've really done is target lurkers. You remind me a lot of Puffy last game. You're more active, a lot of your points are townish - yet your suspicions have all just been tacked onto the coattails of other people's.
Sure I was the first person to vote for bronto and have been very anti lurker. However this could basically be a case against you apart from you coming at me. Instead of me and hado. The problem I've had is while you have heaps of content on me the people I'm most interested in aren't doing what I need them to do so I can make cases on them. Happy, Hado, Helev, ect (although he recently posted something) I've also done far more than you in other regards. Puffy was middle of the pack active, I'm literally the most active and this is all you have on me?
You're justifying your ambiguous wording with, "oh but I'm just an ENTP
" - which is a joke, but it's playing to the meta. "It's just who I am yo!" isn't and really shouldn't be a viable defence tactic for mafia. It's like the self-voting bullshit from last game, it's just an emotional ploy that makes people instinctively back off because they don't want to violate things potentially personal to them.
