Forum Mafia Game #2

[The Gopher]

One main thing I realized speccing last game is that my suspicions on people are hardly more than being lucky on chance.

Okay, so what are the reasons you aren't giving your suspicious. Do you have some strategy to draw them out that's likely to be more successful than just telling people now and getting people to defend themselves?

Cause if so fine, if not why not? The game's just started, if we continue with not much to go on for a day or so we'll get nowhere. Accuse people! Rain down fire with your words!


RB any thoughts?

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

That's a bit wishy washy Zerkalo. What level of read allows you to lynch someone? If someone's a 50/50 in your mind you'd lynch them right?

What's 50/50? A null? Then no. Obviously if i have a hunch that someone's scum, i would not consider it compromise. But if u pull stunts like "if we lynch probable town A, it would prove B's alignment" then don't expect me to partake...just putting this out there

 

[Jennywocky]

Hado, it's all listed in the OP, if you read it -- Day 1 is 72 hours, then Night 1 is another 24. So there are three physical days, right..?

gopher -- uh, no. like, how should I be acting? And I've been in here trying to headway. All we have to work with are a few single vote posts out there, and little much else to go on. Too many goddamned options too early in the game.

Urk posts strategies that are so fuzzy as to have no real content, even if he sounds like he's trying to help. Which makes me really curious what he's up to, especially since at least two people have now commented on how unclear his ideas have been. Substance, please, Urk. Ante up, or get off the pot.

Hado? That guy always has a taint on him and smells of the taint of cheap bootlegged whiskey -- it could just be his playstyle or a ruse. There he goes, sounding scummy. And the Biebster no less. Like, are you TRYING to mask the odor of skunk with faint whiffs of garlic and cat litter? I know he's crafty.

Zerk is posting at least a little, but never says much. We know how that works.

Sinny sounds just like her old self. How does that get parsed?

Happy is just happy.

And there are people we haven't even heard from yet (Reluctantly, pmj, etc.). It could be a fluke. Or maybe not. Watching and waiting.

Even you haven't said anything with much content so far that we can do something with. ("Talk more. That way we can figure things out.") And pressure people.

... Apparently I really suck at this.

 

[Jennywocky]

Dammit. I didn't reload my page before posting, and NOW everyone talks? *doh*

 

[Hadoblado]

That moment when you refer to Sinny as being herself, then realise that it was Cheeseumpuffs all along.

I'll consider this evidence to my previous point Cheeseumpuffs. I know it's in fun etc., but it can, has, and will cause confusion. Town Cheeseumpuffs wouldn't want to cause confusion.

 

[Hadoblado]

A 50/50 is not a null.

Null is a 3/13. A 50/50 is a 6.5/13. 50% certainty is a pretty strong read.

 

[redbaron]

Okay, so what are the reasons you aren't giving your suspicious. Do you have some strategy to draw them out that's likely to be more successful than just telling people now and getting people to defend themselves?

Cause if so fine, if not why not? The game's just started, if we continue with not much to go on for a day or so we'll get nowhere. Accuse people! Rain down fire with your words!

RB any thoughts?

My stance is the same as it was last game: that it's impossible to discern between terrible town and actual mafia, so if someone looks like they're not pulling weight then you hammer them until you either see reason to put the hammer down, or you continue until all 206 of their mafioso bones are shattered.

 

[The Gopher]

What's 50/50? A null? Then no. Obviously if i have a hunch that someone's scum, i would not consider it compromise. But if u pull stunts like "if we lynch probable town A, it would prove B's alignment" then don't expect me to partake...just putting this out there

Literally everyone who has experience last game (and was town) and this game suggested voting even 50-50's day one. I'm gonna mirror Hado and say the stat's don't lie. Voting out even a town (but this time if it is so unsure vote out a lurker you could have picked up artsu that way last game) is massively better than a no lynch. Now sure don't vote on town reads but a desperate lurker lynch is massively beneficial compared to no lynch. Imagine if the days had gone on longer last game? Would you have picked up artsu? Probably would have been unsure of him until the end due to him not posting. I'm massively in favor of lurker lynches if people can't consolidate.

That said I would have been totally against a cheese or maybe a neb lynch (was neb active?) but a lurker yes. Also saying you'll lynch a lurker and having that as a real possibility.... (parrot incoming) increases the number of quality posts and creates conversation cause mafia gets scared easy.

gopher -- uh, no. like, how should I be acting? And I've been in here trying to headway. All we have to work with are a few single vote posts out there, and little much else to go on. Too many goddamned options too early in the game.

DARRRRRRRLING that wasn't an accusation I was just asking hado if he thought you were typical town or acting like typical town. Why did it make you nervious?

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Ofcourse I have no problem with pressuring lurkers, so long as it doesn't get to hammer level and someone shows intention of hammering for real. I used last game's day 1 lynch as example because we're talking last 30 minutes of game, the prospects of a baseless neb lynch were as real as it gets

 

[Helvete]

because i was rambling nonsensically, trying to rouse discussion.

Creating confusion, trying to look like town.

Can you ramble sensibly. What do you think of zerks stance on lynching?

 

[Hadoblado]

I too would be interested in what Happy has to say about zerks stance on lynching.

After Happy is done, I want to hear what gopher thinks about it too.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

@Helvete, hado:
What are you, MCs? you too should share your thoughts

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

What are you?*

 

[The Gopher]

I too would be interested in what Happy has to say about zerks stance on lynching.

After Happy is done, I want to hear what gopher thinks about it too.

Specifically after happy? Also haven't I already covered it? One thing to add this would only happen if there was like 5 hours to day end and no good lynches one way or the other.

Also you haven't answered my questions on the first page but admittedly there isn't really a reply that isn't WIFOM. Basically we both know that you and I are each others greatest ally or enemy (or should be experience wise) depending on who's side you're on so I would like to get to know the you that's in this game better. (Unless you're playing Cop in that case we're doomed. ) (Same with RB he seemed like an okay town last game and he hasn't done much yet for me to get a read on)

To RB, good position. Where's your hammer?

 

[redbaron]

Waiting for the next Artsu :^)

I was trigger happy on some people last game because I fell victim to Availability Heuristic. 72 hour Day cycle is pretty long, but if lurkers aren't producing anything in the next ~12 or so (that's almost a day from when game started, so timezone isn't valid excuse at that point) I'm going to start hammering. But just to get them jumpstarted:

Vote PmjPmj

 

[Helvete]

In a partial defense for Urk, I wouldn't find is posts too suspicious so far, confusing as it seems. It seems similar to how Cheeseums was forever just speaking his mind last game sounding out ideas, as he was unsure how the game was supposed to be played. It's still the very early stages and every other game I've seen is just shit posts for the first few pages, it seems like a genuine attempt at kicking things off. That said, I do want to see an explanation from his mouth, I wouldn't want some cheap trick early bird meta let him gain town points so early and easily.

 

[Hadoblado]

Yes specifically after Happy. I don't want to tread on Helvete's toes.

I've got my read. Specifically on you Gopher. Providing you with answers would entail me pushing a case on you, which I'm not ready to do yet. I need to see you work for a while longer. It's been a long time since we played together, and I think we were both scum at the time. So I've got to re-read you.

I'm reluctant to make this game as much about me as the last one was, and if I'm the first one to push a hard case it very well could be. I'm content to wait and allow the town to get their shit together.

Tell you what I'll make you a deal? I'll make 'the case' regardless, even if I change my mind and think you come out town. But I don't do it until I have more information. This case will include my thought process from this point in the game, so that you know this isn't me just bullshitting so I don't have to provide anything.

 

[Hadoblado]

For the record, I'm almost certain the difficulties Artsu spoke of last game were genuine. I don't expect anyone here to lurk to a similar degree.

 

[The Gopher]

Sounds good hado just make it in the first day or day and a half (real time) if you would. Well sure RB! Lets wait around for the lurkers to show up! Wouldn't that make you the lurker?

Yeah Helv at this point there isn't much to go on so anything is good if only to see how people react under pressure.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

@QT you said 11/13 Confirmed. I'm 12th...who's 13th? Bronto? I get the feeling he's not up to play and this is artsu all over again

 

[Hadoblado]

@QT
Please don't tell us who the 13th is. I could infer things from that information that could be unfair.

 

[QuickTwist]

END OF DAY LINK!

 

[QuickTwist]

@QT
Please don't tell us who the 13th is. I could infer things from that information that could be unfair.

I will not be sharing this information. If players wish to discuss this that is fine, but my lips are sealed.

 

[redbaron]

For the record, I'm almost certain the difficulties Artsu spoke of last game were genuine. I don't expect anyone here to lurk to a similar degree.

I like to think that causing someone a psychotic breakdown in order to improve my chances of winning the game is well worth it.

:^)

 

[Hadoblado]

Thanks on both counts QT! I think I might put that link in my sig so it's ever-present.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

@QT
Please don't tell us who the 13th is. I could infer things from that information that could be unfair.

?????

I will not be sharing this information. If players wish to discuss this that is fine, but my lips are sealed.

What.
last game you announced that artsu didn't confirm on the thread

Anyway bye for now

 

[Helvete]

Thanks on both counts QT! I think I might put that link in my sig so it's ever-present.

Anything to appear town is it hado?

 

[Hadoblado]

Anything.

 

[Helvete]

I'm going to bed, I have to do real life tomorrow. In the meantime I've noticed Happy is still online and lurking probably. Not really helping town of sorts anyway.

As I still want answers:

Vote Happy

 

[Urakro]

I'd agree with hado, in that people should be a little serious in the game (for instance, changing sinny's avatar). There could be reasons for not posting, so I'm not targetting that specifically, but it's an indicator. *

About my suggestion for getting us to agree on "soft-rules" (like the one I just mentioned * ), I plan on letting it go. It seems like it would just be a waste of time just agreeing on it to begin with. Another thought I had is to make full use of the time we have as it's a valuable resource. An early lynch is like throwing away free money. I'm not suggesting we have a no-lynch. My aims are definitely on scum-hunting.

My initial suspicion was on redbaron (before he started making more posts). Last game, he mentioned himself that he would have much more preferred to play as mafia instead of town. First post into this game, he responded to quicktwist, "You are the best!!! :^)"

You probably can see how baseless my suspicion is, though it really isn't much better than the mudslinging most are now starting to get into.

Hado is already FOS'ing me, and I really can't see why. I'm being as forthright about my thoughts as I can, and I'm merely trying to help. Don't eat the help!

My advice is not well-thought out, and probably plain wrong, you'd have to admit that I'm more likely a really bad town player. My line of thinking was to make it hard for liars by being unpredictable (like making them recount details of a story in reverse), thus followed an idea of turning this mafia game a lot different than any others played. A scums plan that they had surmised since discovering their role would be over-turned by a game with much different rules.

Actually, now that I think about what I wrote, I'm probably not being all that helpful.

 

[Urakro]

My stance is the same as it was last game: that it's impossible to discern between terrible town and actual mafia, so if someone looks like they're not pulling weight then you hammer them until you either see reason to put the hammer down, or you continue until all 206 of their mafioso bones are shattered.

I thought you were going to do a deductive process? Scratching off sure town-reads and seeing who's left?

I just recalled that now, I wasn't trying to appear town the whole time because of that.

 

[Hadoblado]

unFOS Urakro

Not because you're acting like town, but because your approach is expected this early in the game. This is the same slack I'm cutting Jenny.

Making the game more complicated is a bad idea. It'd be good if we were all well practiced, but people are learning, and the chances town are going to fuck up badly when you turn up the difficulty? Almost certain.

That said having rules that make it harder for mafia is a really good idea, it's like you approached the right conclusion from a different direction. Stuff like:
- don't lurk
- hunt scum
- don't vote for yourself
- don't create needless confusion
- make a lynch every day

Are all things that town should be able to pressure mafia into agreeing to. In that they can't reasonably refuse without attracting suspicion. Meaning town gets to control the terms and conditions without even knowing who town are.

So yeah, you're kind of on the money, but you're still not thinking in practical terms. You want to mess with the fundamental laws of the game when you haven't learned the simple version. Understandable, but not useful.

 

[Hadoblado]

K the threads slowing down. I'm gonna head to bed.

@Erryone
This all may seem like a bunch of faffing around, but several meaningful things have already happened. I've got a read on Gopher, and I've got another of similar weight that I'm yet to mention. I'm not making a case on either yet, because I need to see action from the less proactive crowd. Last game went to shit for multiple reasons, but one of them was that multiple people didn't see the value in posting early. Yes a lot of it will be pointless fluff and posturing, but from that seemingly mindless shittery comes intuitions and genuine reads. Don't expect me to make the cases for you. If I see people making real cases day one, then there's almost no way I'm pushing for their lynch. It's hard to make meaningful cases when you're inexperienced, but 10 times harder for an inexperienced mafia. So it's worth the effort.

@Blueroles (cop and medic)
It's especially important you read guides. I'm not going to tell you specifics, though I might think it's a good idea I say something later (it's up to you whether you listen). You have a higher value than the average vanilla town. Do not mention blueroles. It is a common tell due to availability bias. Read the guides as a lot rides on you.

 

[The Gopher]

My initial suspicion was on redbaron (before he started making more posts). Last game, he mentioned himself that he would have much more preferred to play as mafia instead of town. First post into this game, he responded to quicktwist, "You are the best!!! :^)"

What in RB's recent posts have caused you to believe he is no longer suspicious. I mean sure baseless possible but compared to being suspicious of everyone else why is he no longer suspicious?

I'm going to bed, I have to do real life tomorrow. In the meantime I've noticed Happy is still online and lurking probably. Not really helping town of sorts anyway.

As I still want answers:

Vote Happy

Well I'm terrified of majority lynch after what happened to hado last game so.

Unvote Happy

 

[Urakro]

Hado? That guy always has a taint on him and smells of the taint of cheap bootlegged whiskey -- it could just be his playstyle or a ruse. There he goes, sounding scummy. And the Biebster no less. Like, are you TRYING to mask the odor of skunk with faint whiffs of garlic and cat litter? I know he's crafty.

JennyWocky has a point.

@hado, why did you think lurking was a great idea?

Urk posts strategies that are so fuzzy as to have no real content, even if he sounds like he's trying to help. Which makes me really curious what he's up to, especially since at least two people have now commented on how unclear his ideas have been. Substance, please, Urk. Ante up, or get off the pot.,

For instance

Soft rule #1: Be forthright, describe your reasoning, no games, no being funny. It just makes things confusing for us trying to descern who's town and how's not.

Soft rule #2: If after the 3 days, a person has not posted anything substantial (eg, few, short posts ) it will create an automatic lynch. Sure, they may be innocent, but they are the weakest link anyways.

..etc,
as examples....

 

[Urakro]

What in RB's recent posts have caused you to believe he is no longer suspicious. I mean sure baseless possible but compared to being suspicious of everyone else why is he no longer suspicious?[/COLOR][/B]

He's still suspicious. I've only quickly skimmed through his later posts, so I'll get back to reading them.

But him being grateful to QT was only one little thing, with many possible reasons behind it. And now that I mentioned it, he could pretend to begrudgingly hunt town and still wished to be mafia, or do a WIFOM and continue being happy........(just a point being made)

Which is why I was against just pointing fingers on the fly with one little reason. A good case should have many reasons saved up to back behind it. Perhaps, that reason with redbaron could have been used in a case, but now that I mentioned it, I have to throw it away. It's no good anymore.

 

[Urakro]

Frig, I could EBWOP the hell out of this place. Sorry for bad vocabulary, incorrect phrasing, grammar errors, and spelling mistakes.

 

[The Gopher]

You can still use it in a case later. Assuming it's a good reason (or just a reason) there's no problem compiling everything into a case later. Just if you do it now we have something to talk about and there can be a back and forth. I mean.... if you didn't mention it at all RB would have no reason to respond to it and could post less meaning you have less of a case in general.

Don't be afraid to pressure people and act like flimsy things are really important. The stress mafia have being mafia and thinking everyone knows their scum is one of the ways to find them. (see Puffy in post game last thread) That said play your own game, it's been interesting so far.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Ok i will get this out now because I'll be proofing for a long time
I don't like the way jenny has been acting up till now. I'm actually semi serious about my vote right now

And what's with Helvete? You're playing exactly the way you've played last game. I thought you said you will up your game and be more useful to town so you don't become an easy NK...whatever happened to that? You have yet to make a post with content. So far you've been picking out people eventhough you haven't posted anything meaningful yourself.

Happy and Urakro slipped so bad and so early...i dont even know what to make of them. Urakro is worse though

Yeah I'm keeping my jenny vote.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Poofing*

 

[Urakro]

Mafia could easily interrogate other people, and vote. It's not really that hard for them.

 

[Brontosaurie]

It's important to arrange the game and to vote away certain members.

 

[The Gopher]

Bronto! What are your thoughts on what's happened so far? I'm going to bed.

 

[Urakro]

I'm being whiny and telling everyone what to do, and I really didn't mean for it to be like that.

My point is that it's hard to play 1 against 3. Each person doing their own thing and stabbing at the dark. It sounds cheesy as hell, but we could work together and make those numbers better. It could be 5 against 3. We don't know who mafia is, and they could befriend us and taint our thoughts and we'd be brainwashed. But they are only 3.

i dont even know what to make of them. Urakro is worse though

I really don't know what I should say zerk. I can only assume that it seems I'm mucking the game up and distracting and confusing everyone. If so, I'll stop, or at least try to.

I'm really not all that meta-strategy-gamerz-skill. I'm actually quite a simple person.

 

[Urakro]

Just imagining that I was mafia, and I'm doing all this to screw with you guys. Made me laugh quite a bit.

It's humiliating as hell, but I really am that simple.

I'll just shut-up, let you guys enjoy, and actually read everything in detail.

 

[Reluctantly]

Heh, and it begins.

kk, so let's see. Right now there's really nothing to go on. Mafia have no history of voting patterns, inconsistencies, contradictions, etc. yet. So it looks like for a first lynch it'll be kind of a flimsy guess.

Maybe it's best then to vote off lurkers and pressure people for their reasoning about people. The MORE people are expected to explain themselves, the easier it becomes to figure out who is inconsistent later on. And we can always pressure people that won't participate in that to do so; otherwise it might be best to vote people like that off early in the game, in case they are trying to pull an Artsu. That said, anyone that's already started voting needs to give a good explanation of why they do so, so we at least have a trail to decipher mafia later on.

I guess the other thing we can go on is whether or not you think someone is being inconsistent with their personality. But again, since this just started, unless it's blatant, it'll be hard for mafia to fall into this pattern.

hmmmmmmmmm,,,

 

[Sinny91]

Morning all, or afternoon

I'm glad that nobody is excessively posting like in the previous game, just enough material to span two coffees and a spliff

I think fluff posting should to be minimised, we've got god know's how long of this to sort through in future, reading material piles high and fast.

I also think that all town should be transparent about their whereabouts thought the course. For example, I have just rejoined the real world, and I'll be floating around the forum for the next couple of hours, before I maybe go out.

We should seek consistency, clarity, and objectivity.

My course of action , as per previous game, is to secure strong town reads, and deduce from there.

Strong town working in unision to corner the mafia is the name of my game.

I think Hado's clean, if he were Mafia or Blue Role, his ego would have told us by now.. Plus, the chances of the luck of the draw - twice.

 

[Reluctantly]

oh, I guess my timezones are different, so while yall posted I was sleeping. and now I gots to go to work for about 8 hours, though I get tomorrow off. Just fyi and such for weekdays.

 

[Reluctantly]

Morning all, or afternoon

I'm glad that nobody is excessively posting like in the previous game, just enough material to span two coffees and a spliff

I think fluff posting should to be minimised, we've got god know's how long of this to sort through in future, reading material piles high and fast.

eh, I think it's fine. It gets people talking and if that's all they do, they risk getting put in the Artsu camp, so they will have to get semi-serious eventually.

I think Hado's clean, if he were Mafia or Blue Role, his ego would have told us by now.. Plus, the chances of the luck of the draw - twice.

If I didn't know your personality a bit on this forum, I'd say this was suspicious to already be saying certain players are town. He seems to be acting like himself, though with a less pronounced role this time. But I'm not about to cross anyone off being mafia. People were so sure last game about so many people and ended up nabbing zero mafia. That's terrible. I'd like to avoid that.

 

[Sinny91]

Morning digs