Flocking INTPs

[QuestiontheStupid]

Would anyone find that other INTPs flock to other INTPs? Same if you have a bunch of friends that you get along with happen to be compatible with you,would you say they flocked to you also(or you flocked to them?) I happen to be sitting next to( have been sitting next to),another INTP.I didnt no it until the other day.

 

[nihilen.]

*know u dumb flock.

And no, I just logged in and I don't like u ppl so far.

 

[Ogion]

I don't know, i don't flock to noone i would say. I mean, the people i regularly have contat with in university are actually chosen by randomness. Like i 'accidentally' sat next to a person in the first week and this brings that i sit next to this person all semester. And so i will talk with this person more than with other persons there. Since MBTI is really scarcely known in Germany i am on my own to determine which type a person is. And i don't think i am so good at this. So i sometimes think, wow, this person is very J(udging) or this definitely is a Feeling-type. But it seldomly so easy to say, most of the times i don't know what type a person may be.
For example myself, i am sure most other people wouldn't call me an introvert (i think, the persons which do not know me more than sitting next to me and talking a little bit with me ).

Ogion

 

[Jennywocky]

When I was in my late teens and early 20's I would, because i could not handle any degree of small talk (i was highly bored and/or uncomfortable) and conversation with people with strong N (especially INTPs) was where I felt alive and safe and competent.

Nowadays, I'll talk to anyone, and the INTP conversations are old hat; I like 'em but don't need them, and other people give me more variety and challenge me more / provide me information and ideas I don't get in other ways.

 

[Pixie]

*know u dumb flock.

And no, I just logged in and I don't like u ppl so far.

*you
*people

 

[Ermine]

Would anyone find that other INTPs flock to other INTPs? Same if you have a bunch of friends that you get along with happen to be compatible with you,would you say they flocked to you also(or you flocked to them?) I happen to be sitting next to( have been sitting next to),another INTP.I didnt no it until the other day.

I've pretty much given up on finding INTPs, but I imagine that it would be a bit freaky and amazing at the same time. "No way, me too!" It's fun to geek out about stuff with an NT.

However, I've found that I flock to NFs and they flock to me more than anyone.

 

[nihilen.]

*you
*people

FAIL.

u and ppl r abbreviations, and their signification is very well known.

So does the word 'no'. And it's related to negation.

 

[Ogion]

I would rather say you failed with your message, because i have no idea what you could have meant with your first part. What was this asterisk supposed to say? "I know you, you dumb flock?" or what?

Ogion

 

[Kuu]

No. I've also given up on finding INTPs in the flesh. I do find myself surrounded by N types, both Ts and Fs...

 

[Devercia]

Abbreviations are fully capitalized or followed with a period. I'm afraid you have dug yourself into a syntactical/grammatical hole. Either you did not use proper punctuation or are you are typing with annoying idiosyncrasies.

Why would you abbreviate 'no' with 'know?' I'm confused with this.

The significance of farting in public is also very well known. I would not argue that it is proper.

...signification...



I wouldn't care if you were less standoffish.


Yes I would say I am attracted to other INTPs, simply so I can let my social graces slide.

 

[loveofreason]

nihilen was pointing out the accidental substitution of 'no' for 'know' in the OP. In the least constructive way possible. Which, considering their own crimes against the English language, is not going to earn them any credence.

As for the question... if I knew enough INTPs I don't know if we'd flock or repel one another. I imagine if there were shared interests... well, we're 'flocking' here aren't we? For the sheer relief of being understood and getting some mental stimulation.

 

[EloquentBohemian]

Okay... got to get my eyes checked.
When I first read the thread title, I thought it said Flogging INTPs.

To the real question, I don't think I know enough INTPs in order to constitute a 'flock', or enough INTx's for that matter. I enjoy conversations with many different types, though some tend to wear me out, others steer me toward homicide.
If encountering another INTP, the discussions are relatively deep and sometimes 'heated' (defending our own principles), and small talk with others is virtually nonexistant with me (...please, just get to the point!).
I will reiterate what others have said that we do sort of 'flock' here.
The mental stimulation is like chocolate for the brain.

 

[Agent Intellect]

i don't think i know any INTP's outside of this forum. my dad is INTJ and my sisters boyfriend is ENTP, but i don't really flock to either of them all that much. i've always wished i had an INTP sibling i could talk to and play chess and shit.

 

[nihilen.]

I only know e-INTPs. And I don't think we really 'flock'. People here have been giving me a hard time.

In an other INTP forum, I was actually tricked and banned permanently half an hour after I joined.

 

[NoID10ts]

I only know e-INTPs. And I don't think we really 'flock'. People here have been giving me a hard time.

In an other INTP forum, I was actually tricked and banned permanently half an hour after I joined.

You'll probably get banned here too if you act like you did at INTPc. I suspect your only purpose on these forums is to provoke people. You clearly don't respect any of us, but so far, you haven't said anything too inflammatory.

If anyone wants to know what happened at INTPc, click here (I think you have to have a membership there to view this particular thread). It even talks about another place he was banned.

 

[nihilen.]

You'll probably get banned here too if you act like you did at INTPc. I suspect your only purpose on these forums is to provoke people. You clearly don't respect any of us, but so far, you haven't said anything too inflammatory.

If anyone wants to know what happened at INTPc, click here (I think you have to have a membership there to view this particular thread). It even talks about another place he was banned.

You don't know how this started, I was tricked and ridiculed. You didn't see the Irc chat, but you would still blindly judge me based on what the older folks have to say.

No, that was never my intention, but when I am attacked I counter attack (times 10), I am no christian, I would never turn the other cheek. I don't care if I get banned for doing so, I would rather vent my anger anyway possible. Even if it wasn't politically correct.

What is the other place i was banned at ? I participate in many different forums, it's been a couple of years, the only one I have ever been banned at was INTPc.

 

[Jesin]

OK, but please try to keep your venting in the shout club. That's what it's there for.

 

[nihilen.]

OK, but please try to keep your venting in the shout club. That's what it's there for.

If you don't provoke me, there would be no reason for it to happen.

 

[Jesin]

Yes, but sometimes provoking happens by accident.

 

[NoID10ts]

If you don't provoke me, there would be no reason for it to happen.

How is Jesin provoking you? I am the provoker. Maybe you think there is a vast INTP conspiracy against you?

 

[nihilen.]

How is Jesin provoking you? I am the provoker. Maybe you think there is a vast INTP conspiracy against you?

That was a general/rhetorical 'you', it means 'anybody'.

Now what is YOUR problem kind sir ?

 

[flow]

I've got a problem with your general animosity towards everyone. The mere fact that you said "provoke" as if any of us are trying to provoke you gives away your disposition. One of my friends once said I have a persecution complex, sounds like you might have it as well. We all love to argue, but please, play with a little more tact.

 

[nihilen.]

I just am being attacked by everyone for no apparent reason. I was probably harsh towards one person at the beginning of the thread, and he deserved it.

It could have been just that, it was between me and that guy.

But every now and then - like you are doing just now - someone decides to stick his nose into the matter. And I have a feeling now this futile incident will never end.

So, who's next ?

 

[NoID10ts]

And no, I just logged in and I don't like u ppl so far.

This was in your third post on this forum! It's not just directed at one of us is it?

This feels like being in an emo convention. And your constant nagging is gonna give me depression. Just cut ur wrists and lets get over with it.

If INTP r usually the depressed kind, shouldn't u...

This was your fifth post!

How are people on this forum supposed to react when you start off this way?


EDIT: Sorry for straying off subject. I'll leave it alone now.

 

[nihilen.]

This was in your third post on this forum! It's not just directed at one of us is it?

I was being truthful, do you wanna be loved so badly by everyone ? I know I don't.

This was your fifth post!

How are people on this forum supposed to react when you start off this way?

You can react the way you please.

I might be wrong about a couple of things, but I impulsively express my point of view, and I tend to change it if convinced by a different view.

Contradict my statement, prove me wrong, debate with me, or ignore me, but why take it to a personal level ?

 

[sagewolf]

*shoulders her way between everyone, sitting there and staying firmly there*

Just because INTPs have a tendency to mirror those we interact with doesn't mean we have to. It takes two people to fight.

...Unless you're schizo... or have multiple personalities...

*faceplant* Oh yeah. I am such a P. Anyway, isn't the fact that we're on this forum a sign that we're 'flocking'? As long as we don't have to interact with anything that looks like a real live human being and can drop out of conversations anytime we want and we get our 'recharge all on my own' time while we do it.

Just think, though, in the future, the entire world may live our way, living in VR pods or ordering everything they need to their homes and working there, kids being educated at home over the broadband lines, socializing taking place through webcams and microphones all the time...

All of those weirdos defiling our internet!

 

[nihilen.]

Just think, though, in the future, the entire world may live our way, living in VR pods or ordering everything they need to their homes and working there, kids being educated at home over the broadband lines, socializing taking place through webcams and microphones all the time...

All of those weirdos defiling our internet!

That's a nightmare, gave me shivers down my spine : \

 

[Artifice Orisit]

If you don't provoke me, there would be no reason for it to happen.

This is very entertaining, my assessment is that nihilen is an INTP who has been living in an "F" type / "E" type dominated environment. As a result of this he has highly developed mental defences, hence being “standoffish” and seemingly confrontational.
Sorry about talking about you like your not here nihilen, just put up with my psychobabble for a bit.
If we keep our forum an intellectually positive environment and I’m fairly sure he will lower his defences, if given time. From what I’ve read nihilen seems to be an intelligent person and will likely become a valued contributor to this forum, so lets just back off him for a little bit.

This may be a close knit community but let’s try to be welcoming to new posters; this is not INTP-central. To that point I must suggest to nihilen the use of proper grammar where possible; personally the only specific net words I use are for avoiding generalizations, e.g. hir as opposed to him/her.

And no, I just logged in and I don't like u ppl so far.

Please use the symbol when being sarcastic, just so nobody gets confused.

Nobody’s trying to attack you (well they’d better not be); this is a place for civil discussion that is so hard to find in INTP-central. Although I admit it is fun to stir the other posters on occasion, constant agreement gets boring after a while.

Edit: Back to the topic...
INTPs don't seek out "acceptance" however we do appreciate other people as resources to learn from and collaborate with. When sharing our thoughts a certain level of civility is required; however in social situations INTPs will often fail at social rituals such as saying hello/goodbye and regarding the potential emotional impact of their works. This is because our focus is on the use and cross-checking of information and thoughts, not social gratification.

 

[nihilen.]

This is very entertaining, my assessment is that nihilen is an INTP who has been living in an "F" type / "E" type dominated environment. As a result of this he has highly developed mental defences, hence being “standoffish” and seemingly confrontational.
Sorry about talking about you like your not here nihilen, just put up with my psychobabble for a bit.
If we keep our forum an intellectually positive environment and I’m fairly sure he will lower his defences, if given time. From what I’ve read nihilen seems to be an intelligent person and will likely become a valued contributor to this forum, so lets just back off him for a little bit.

This may be a close knit community but let’s try to be welcoming to new posters; this is not INTP-central. To that point I must suggest to nihilen the use of proper grammar where possible; personally the only specific net words I use are for avoiding generalizations, e.g. hir as opposed to him/her.


Please use the symbol when being sarcastic, just so nobody gets confused.

Nobody’s trying to attack you (well they’d better not be); this is a place for civil discussion that is so hard to find in INTP-central. Although I admit it is fun to stir the other posters on occasion, constant agreement gets boring after a while.

I don't know about any other types, just INTP and INTJ probably, since it seems we are supposed to be the rather introverted (intellectual ?) kind.

I always keep my defenses high when entering any new place, no one ever took it that badly before...

The remaining of your post could be pretty much true, especially the intelligent person part ; ) (Don't y'all hate me now cause I can easily accept praise)

Except for the grammar part, I don't think I suck that bad at grammar.

Sorry about talking about you like your not here nihilen

* You're

Well, not more than the rest of you

 

[Agent Intellect]

reminds me Thomas Young, to be honest

 

[nihilen.]

You know it's insufferably rude to talk about me, while I am here, comparing me to people I do not know what you dislike so much about them. Right ?

 

[Agent Intellect]

You know it's insufferably rude to talk about me, while I am here, comparing me to people I do not know what you dislike so much about them. Right ?

well, you can know him if you dig around old posts, but thats not the point. you treat people the way you want to be treated, though.

 

[sagewolf]

Well, not more than the rest of you

Error: this sentence fragment lacks a verb. All sentences must have verbs. So say the Holy Precepts of the English Language. (i'm sorry; I'm a writer! Look, I just used a semicolon! I can't help myself! *bursts into tears, then suddenly stops* Oh, no, wait: I haven't cared about that since fifth grade. )

INTPs don't seek out "acceptance" however we do appreciate other people as resources to learn from and collaborate with. When sharing our thoughts a certain level of civility is required; however in social situations INTPs will often fail at social rituals such as saying hello/goodbye and regarding the potential emotional impact of their works. This is because our focus is on the use and cross-checking of information and thoughts, not social gratification.

Might the case also be made that we value our individuality and view conformity to social rituals and other such societal traits, or the pursuit of social gratification, as a threat to the expression of 'who we are' (which, face it, even WE don't really see), and our conviction that we are, inherently, unique?

EDIT: *Clears throat pointedly.* What did cognizant say about being NICE, guys?

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Yes, but he isn't Thomas Young, so we'll see what happens.

And what does "* You're" mean exactly? This is what I ment by "grammer", I would like to understand what you've written and by the fact that you wrote it, I imagine you do too.

"Don't y'all hate me now cause I can easily accept praise" basterd

Edit: Yes what did I say about being nice A.I. / SageWolf

 

[nihilen.]

Error: this sentence fragment lacks a verb. All sentences must have verbs. So say the Holy Precepts of the English Language. (i'm sorry; I'm a writer! Look, I just used a semicolon! I can't help myself! *bursts into tears, then suddenly stops* Oh, no, wait: I haven't cared about that since fifth grade. )

http://www.languagehat.com/archives/001327.php

A little example

 

[nihilen.]

And what does "* You're" mean exactly? This is what I ment by "grammer", I would like to understand what you've written and by the fact that you wrote it, I imagine you do too.

I have no idea what you're saying.

 

[nihilen.]

well, you can know him if you dig around old posts, but thats not the point. you treat people the way you want to be treated, though.

My post magically disappeared, guess I'll have to repost it.

Can't be bothered mate
I'd rather dig around Wikipedia

So thank you very much ; )

 

[Artifice Orisit]

heh, not quite

* You're

What does that mean?
Forget grammar, I was trying to denote the use of "leet speak" and other abbreviations such as "LoL". Of course on this tangent I have no idea if the use of a single * is an abbreviation or leet, an ignorance that I'm quite proud of. (Because it means I’m not a chat room leet speaker)

 

[nihilen.]

* Is a pretty standard use to correct spelling or grammar.

Don't take that away from me mate xD

 

[Artifice Orisit]

...So you were pointing out a grammatical mistake, fair enough.

Eventually you will get tired of pointing out my many mistakes. XD

 

[Decaf]

As INTPs we have a choice. We can bull our way through people with our ideas, or we can keep them to ourselves. A lot of people fall into the later category and have found a place to express them here. That makes people feel vulnerable, especially when someone who has taken the other road comes along and does what they always do.

It sounds like your chose the bull approach, which like everything is good and bad. One thing that we on this forum prize about our culture here is that those who have chosen the second route (through parental pressure, societal pressure, lack of encouragement, whatever) should be allowed their voice. To that end we don't condone hostility even if the intent isn't to injure the other person. Frankly, we don't need it, and in this atmosphere it isn't necessary because, hell, we're INTPs. We thrive on new information.

We're all guilty of it sometimes, so I'm not gonna be a televangelist with a dead hooker in the closet. Thomas Young refused to correct that and in the end only grew increasingly hostile, eventually making a demeaning sexual comment to one of our female members. So we banned him. That happened recently, so forgive us if we assume the worst when we see another bull show up. If you don't run over the more vulnerable members, we'll get along just fine.

Hell, we're all a little vulnerable about this stuff. How often do we get the opportunity to talk about our theories in an environment that allows us our space and people listen and respond with actual thought provoking comments, or essays?

Does that clarify anything?

 

[Artifice Orisit]

sigh
Decaf's just asking for civilty, ignore the rest of it; we are all still a little pissed at Thomas.

@-Decaf
The retorical questions and the "If you don't - we'll get along just fine" comments are probably not nessecary.
But thank you for that very clear discription of this communities expectations.

 

[EloquentBohemian]

How often do we get the opportunity to talk about our theories in an environment that allows us our space and people listen and respond with actual thought provoking comments, or essays?

Everything else aside, after searching the Internet for quite awhile, this is why I joined this community and none other.

 

[Decaf]

@-Decaf
The retorical questions and the "If you don't - we'll get along just fine" comments are probably not nessecary.
But thank you for that very clear discription of this communities expectations.

Blah... yeah, that's what happens when you revise a dozen times and don't proofread. I'm working under the assumption that that sentence (or at least part of it) had a reason for being there at one time.

That and I am going overboard on the whole peacemaking thing. I'm not sure why I do it... its like when you're telling a story and get interrupted, then try to steer a conversation back to the story so you can finish.

 

[sagewolf]

Amen, Eloquent. I am actually having intelligent conversations with people who have not yet called me weird. (Not that I object to being called weird, especially since I... umm... am. Still, It's nice to be understood sometimes. )

To the languagehat link:

"I am like a car driver who has smashed the windscreen so he cannot see into the future, smashed the rear-view mirror so he cannot see the past, and is travelling in the present."

Yeah, well, that won't be all he smashes, IMO. i'm beginning to wonder if that wasn't just a terrible hallucination induced by a lack of sleep. (I love, however, the commenter who informed everyone his novel was written without any words at all! Ahah!)

 

[zxc]

One day I took a test and got INTP. I told my friends to take it. My two closest friends both got INTP. Two online friends got INTP as well. The chances of that happening... are rare if there is no 'attraction' between INTPs.

 

[Ogion]

Hey, quite a discussion going on while i was sleeping

May i advise something? Everybody just cool down a little. Nihilen you could stop taking things personally, or at least stop think you'd be attacked everywhere. And the rest could perhaps stop making a big thing out of it. He said he doesn't like us so far, that's fine. He doesn't have to. I don't especially like him neither for now, but i don't have to myself. Time will tell how we'll get along. Nihilen has already 15 posts per day, and if he continues to participate (but please on a content-related manner) then he'll probably be quite visible in the threads and so we can get to know each other a little more.
Keep it civil, everyone.

Nihilen, i don't know if you got it by now, but the dissapearing-post-problem is well know around here. It is a spam protection which sometimes misfire. There is a thread about it with some solving strategies. The easiest is, to let the links out, then post, and then edit them in the post.

Ogion

 

[nihilen.]

...So you were pointing out a grammatical mistake, fair enough.

Eventually you will get tired of pointing out my many mistakes. XD

O that was only in response to your claim that I have many grammatical mistakes, but you made clear what you meant later on ...

General reply to all ...

I took nothing personal really, but I noticed many of you took my general comments to heart. I did not really mean what i was saying, it was a couple minutes after I joined.

I always throw a couple obscenities when I log an to such a homogeneous place, to stir things up a little.

And I am pretty individualistic, I was just a tiny bit outraged by the idea of a group of people that would claim I am similar to them based on the personality test indicator.

It has been a while I have cooled down, but I'm still getting remarks for it, hope that'll be the last of it ; )

 

[loveofreason]

My post magically disappeared, guess I'll have to repost it.

Can't be bothered mate
I'd rather dig around Wikipedia

So thank you very much ; )

For this great joy you have brought us, you are acquitted of all charges.

 

[NoID10ts]

If love exonerates you, you are exonerated indeed!

@nihilen. -

My apologies if I misjudged you. I was in a foul mood yesterday and should have just kept it to myself. I envisioned someone who was sitting at his computer laughing at us and trying to make sport of us here, but perhaps I was wrong.

I think if you got banned at INTPc, you might be welcome here. They seem to have more than their fair share of assholes over there.

(And before anyone says it, no, I am not one of their assholes because I don't post there. I am entirely intpforum's asshole! )