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CowSavior

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Well, now.
I just re-took the MBTI test, and apperantly I'm now extroverted?

I don't think so.
I probly hit the answers wrong, but it did say that I only SLIGHTLY expressed extroverted feelings.

I'm probly an XNTP...

This is weird.
I'm not at all extroverted.
ARGH, I'm confused now...
 

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Yes, my guess is low-percentage introvert. Take the test at Socionics, pretty sure that one gives percentages.
 

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Yep. Too noisy to be too expressed. =P
 

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I read somewhere (though not so sure how reliable this source is) that the INTP personality has a tendency to act as a chameleon at times, and is capable of flip flopping depending on what they feel.
The first time I took this type of personality test, it said I was an ENTJ. I just sat there thinking, "... hm, this doesn't seem right."
Then I took it twice a few months later, received the INTP result both times, and decided that it seemed much more accurate.
 

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You mean this (from intp (dot) org):

Friendship with INTPs develops at a pace which depends considerably on the temperament of the other person. INTPs dislike making the first move and tend to mirror the emotional content of the other person. A jolly person will quickly bring the INTP out of his shell, as much as that is possible, while a serious person will find a serious INTP looking back at him. In this sense, INTPs preference for intuitive perception (rather than action) with respect to people results in them resembling a chameleon. The INTP can fit into many different modes of behaviour, even contradictory ones, in order to get into the mindset of the other person. The goal is to gain enough intuitive data to analyse and assess the person. In doing this, the INTP remains somewhat reserved, never wholly identifying himself with his surroundings. As chameleons, INTPs are therefore approachable and open, unless the Ne tells the INTP that the other person is a type he doesn't like, in which case the reserved attitude may become too obvious. The chameleon behaviour can be particularly strong when discussing something. The INTP may even argue something that he doesn't really believe himself. Sometimes it is for the intellectual stimulation that comes with the challenge of arguing from a variety of standpoints. Otherwise, it may be to avoid early conflict before the situation has been fully assessed. Chameleons hide their true selves. INTPs do not do this cynically, or indeed all the time, but it is a result of the strong desire to remain detached and observe.
The chameleon attitude is true. But I don't think that is flipping sides. Everything is working introvertedly, as it should. It's an act, a facade, a mask that we present to others, so we can confront and analyze them, but that is not our real selves...

I find that this behaviour is so deeply a part of me, that I think there is no person that I am actually honest about myself. I feel as if every single interaction that I have with people is fake, somewhat scripted or calculated. I'm constantly hiding, lying, pretending... and I get tired of it quickly. Maybe only the chameleon can know its true colors. So I rather just be alone.

(I am so hopelessly, fatalistically introverted and detached...)

What I do sometimes find more relevant regarding flipping sides is when sometimes (very rarely, that is), after a long time of being deeply reserved and worry full, I eventually give up and start feeling like nothing matters, and I just let go of thinking. For a short time, I suddenly become really extraverted and sociable, active, enthusiastic and even empathic. It's like being high or something, it's really weird...

Its fundamentally different from the chameleon thing because this is not a calculated and detached act, but rather a complete shutdown of introverted thinking... and the extroverted intuition taking complete control... It seems to be somewhat of a "flipping" and yet it might be true to type... an uncommon and extreme example of what is described here (same source):

The Ne-Ti axis also leads to a curious duality in the thinking of the INTP. The dominant Ti core tends to assume the role of a controller and organiser of his life, while the Ne behaves like a free spirit, almost childlike in its enthusiasm. The INTP tends to experience these two forces as an almost continuous tug-of-war, with neither ever quite gaining the upper hand. He is not disturbed by this duality and can view it with wistful humour. If he has been free-spiriting for any length of time, he soon feels duty bound to analyse his behaviour and systematise it. While if he has been in an analytical mode for a while, he will soon decide that he can do what he wants freely after all.
I am so mystified with the labyrinth of INTPness...
 

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Yes, re: the chameleon thing. And re: the thread about what a friend is, for me it's one of the people I don't need to put up a facade for.

It's all this social adaptation that makes school so exhausting for me. Social politics (though I'm good at them) require so much lying, hiding and pretending.

I sort of flip sides under certain conditions. When I get tired, before I actually feel like I need to sleep, for about two hours I get this strange mood. Ideas just flow effortlessly, it's not so much that I stop thinking as I stop needing to think. Other symptoms are as Tekton said: an unusual desire to be with people and do things; but I don't think the introverted thinking is suspended, just redirected or confined to the background.
 

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Zakai, it took me a long time to figure out that I was INTP, because I showed up as all different types, depending on what mood I was in when I was taking the test. I still have that weakness. If I'd just been around a good friend of mine, the personality test usually reflects the friend I was with, because I forget what I am vs. what traits I desire to be.

For quite some time, I was positive that I was a true extrovert that had a childhood environment that repressed my extrovertism. I finally discovered that I am a true introvert. The times I felt like an extrovert were actually times that I had no opportunities for social engagement, and that social starvation caused me to think I was an extrovert. No way! I just needed *some* social moments.
 

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For quite some time, I was positive that I was a true extrovert that had a childhood environment that repressed my extrovertism.
Couldnt that be actually the case? (for all of us)
I wonder how much is nature and how much nurture in personalitys origin. Were we born INTPs? Probably not. Some say that the basic temperament could be genetic an the rest upbringing. Someone knows?
 

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I think it could be the case, sometimes. In my situation, I was in an orphanage from infant to age 4. If environment were the only factor, ALL the kids in that orphanage would be introverts, and really, they weren't. In fact, the main reason why I was chosen to be placed was because the social worker noticed my introvertism was getting to an unhealthy level. At least, that's what my papers say. I do clearly remember not being able to answer people back when they said hi to me. My brain blanked out, and I didn't know what to say. I also remember being uncomfortable looking at people directly - I always looked at the ground. I grew out of that, thankfully.
 

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Good to hear that you could overcome it, such extremes cant be healthy. As for the develoment of personality I dont think its that simple, even if placed in the same situation (which in the strict sense is not posible), having diferent biological traits/ temperament would make people develop in different ways. I guess its a combination of both, Ill look around and see if I find any data
 

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Couldnt that be actually the case? (for all of us)
I wonder how much is nature and how much nurture in personalitys origin. Were we born INTPs? Probably not. Some say that the basic temperament could be genetic an the rest upbringing. Someone knows?
I wonder if INTP's MBTI types typically change a lot as they're growing up.
That's sort of weird.

@tesseractor: Yeah, I was actually in a room full of extroverts when I took the test that time.

I didn't know that INTP's did the whole "chameleon" thing.
INTP's are SO weird!
 

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I wonder if INTP's MBTI types typically change a lot as they're growing up.
That's sort of weird.
You mean, as opposed to other types who may never change, because they never see the need to change? That's an interesting thought. INTP's might change because they think through what's good/bad, what works/doesn't work, and they are always focusing on their inner selves.

I think personalities are hard-coded into people, then it's changed as much as the person allows themselves to be changed. I don't think we respond passively to the environment. It's an act of our personal will, how we choose to react to our environment.

For instance, literally, it never entered my brain, as a child, to say hi back to a person that said hi to me. I have no idea why I was like that, lol. But, my mom did tell me, Tess, when someone says hi, say hi back. At that point, I could've chosen to ignore my mom's advice, and remain the same personality. Or, I could've chosen to heed it, and thus, alter what others perceive as my personality. Over time, not only does it become natural to say hi back, but I could also desire to be the first one to say hi. However, I still haven't gotten to that point, lol.

All that to say, it's how we are born and then how we choose to respond to external stimuli, that affects our personality.
 

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I think personalities are hard-coded into people, then it's changed as much as the person allows themselves to be changed. I don't think we respond passively to the environment. It's an act of our personal will, how we choose to react to our environment.
Well, I don't believe there is such a thing as choice, decision or personal will; these are all just labels for processes we're aware of and rationalise after we become aware of them. As to the nature/nurture question, therefore, I don't make a distinction. Nurture IS nature, as far as I'm concerned - both are stimuli, nature being a genetic stimulus and nurture being an environmental stimulus. The only distinction is when they occured - a genetic stimulus is difficult to put a time to, but probably the origin of life is the first genetic stimulus that resulted in the chain of cause and effect leading to the composition of our brains. An environmental stimulus, meanwhile, occurs in the immediate past; or is transferred to memory and becomes a sort of internal stimulus. Either way, all stimuli are results of the manner in which the universe came to be, and the chain of cause and effect that resulted in, so I would say that personality is determined by the Big Bang.
 

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Woah, you overdid it. Ill try to be more specific: How much of our personality is defined genetically and how much through socialization? That is to say: If a person has INTP grandparents and INTP parents (astronomically unlikely, I know), but is adopted since he wa a baby by a family of some other type, does he have more chances of becoming INTP than the children of other parents with different types raised with them as brothers?
(I hope that made sense)
 

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Genetically, I would say very little. The question is the same as "How much of a house is defined by its foundations?" - the shape of the hosue is only very roughly defined by the foundations, and most of the detail is very variable. I wouldn't limit the other to "socialisation", I would call it "environment" - a person with no social contact surely has a personality, still.
 

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According to a neurologist the S/N and the J/P are definitely linked to brain preference, which I'm under the impression is likely to be something unchangeable. I'm not absolutely sure and personality, according to this same person, has to do with variations in the wiring of your brain. While I could reason how E/I works with the brain and people the one I have the most difficulty understanding is the F/T axis.

I believe I've mentioned this before and thus I would like to stop mentioning it, because eventually I do get tired of repeating myself, though it does take a great while.

Anyway, I imagine mood would effect the test and I could see all aspects of a human being genetic. Aside from genetics, I would say culture or the subculture in which you're raised is going to influence your personality. People are going to be that personality within their culture, but when using something like the MBTI in another country people would be introverts here are extroverts there. Culture is one of the standards we measure ourselves according to, so it can't really be avoided. It's a matter of survival for us that we assimilate some of our culture and adapt to it.
 

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F/T is the one I understand the best from a neurological perspective, I watched a BBC Panorama program (partially) about it. When presented with a situation in which a choice is required, initially the emotional area of the brain flares up. For most people, this is pretty strong, and it stops there - they act on emotion. For some people, this dies down very quickly and the frontal lobe becomes very active as they think about the situation. Seems like a pretty clear F/T divide to me.
 
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