Finally, people I can relate to

[Apathy]

Hi all,

I found out about MBTI system in college when our class all took the test. It labeled me an INTP right away and when I read the description it seemed to hit me dead on for the most part.
The only part I might have disagreed with at the time was that of being messy. Sure I might be alright with a little clutter, but I have seen some truly messy people so I have to consider myself tidy in comparison.

Currently I'm a Software Analyst and slowly working to pay off and organize/fix up the house I just bought, which takes a while when you need a week to get up the motivation to start a project.

Lately I've had a craving for a bit more interaction with people so maybe this forum will hit the spot. I look forward to our exchange

 

[Ogion]

Hi and welcome to the forum.
Make yourself comfortable and take part in interesting discussions

Ogion

 

[PreAlgebra]

Welcome
I am sure you will find your interaction here very rewarding.

 

[Apathy]

Yes, I've already seen some thought provoking topics and discussions. The only problem I see is that because we seem to be less ignorant than the majority it is harder to find the pleasure associated to bashing those idiots who are totally off base. But I suppose there is still the pleasure of learning and discussion.

What do you guys think gives greater pleasure bashing the ignorant or learning/conceptualizing our ideas?

 

[loveofreason]

Hi Apathy.

Ideas are great company. I find no pleasure in bashing the ignorant.

 

[EditorOne]

Bashing the ignorant is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. What facet of ITPNess gets exercised when you do that?

 

[Apathy]

Maybe It isn't really pleasure from bashing them as much as a feeling of superiority when you correct someones obviously wrong conclusions. I'll admit that I can be self-centered and a little sarcastic, but upon reflecting what I actually do in those circumstance I usually try to straiten them out with a more logical solution. While in most cases I can convert their thoughts, I have had a few strange times with this. Sometimes you run into someone that defends his position, bringing forth a volley of arguments and counter logic. On rare occasions I have even acknowledged that their idea has some merit. Who knows, maybe I had just run into another INTP.
Any bashing that I usually do is for those people who stubbornly remain ignorant even after I take the effort to correct them. A few sharp comments, maybe even in jest, and it is usually over. I may remain friendly to them exteriorly, but inwardly their worth to me has probably dropped considerably.

 

[keanne32]

Welcome, Apathy.

It's true that I do take guilty pleasure in knowing that I was right on a given topic, but the feeling comes only after I have been proved right. Throughout the whole debacle of trying to make other people see what makes me stand rigid on an issue, I just get frustrated and a little wobbly [but the rigidity stays, even if thought-wise], especially considering how I'm not that verbally eloquent as much as I am in the written language.

As for assessing a person's worth, for me, it's mostly based on their flexibility as much as it is their intellectual aptitude. I believe people who have the right to speak up on an issue should be people who actually know what they're fighting for, and not just those who blindly follow their gut instincts. I don't care for credibility, the person could have all the Ph.D's related to the field and speak up entirely erroneously, and I'd have lost any semblance of respect for their intellectual views.

Anyway, here are a couple of questions for you, do you find yourself basing people's worth more on their willingness to embrace a different view or their rigidity firmly backed with logicality? And do you not care for initial credibility either?

[Yeah, that was kind of long, sorry for the thread-jacking. lol. ]

 

[Jesin]

You call that long? You call that threadjacking? You ain't seen nuthin' yet!

Seriously, posts twice that long are not at all uncommon here. It's fine as long as it's split up into paragraphs. (But when it isn't... *shudder*)

 

[keanne32]

You call that long? You call that threadjacking? You ain't seen nuthin' yet!

Seriously, posts twice that long are not at all uncommon here. It's fine as long as it's split up into paragraphs. (But when it isn't... *shudder*)

lol. Yeah, I guess, compared to some other posts, that would have been the epitome of brevity. I guess what I meant to say was, it was longer than what I intended it to be. And I definitely couldn't agree more about long posts being fit into very, very few paragraphs. What's worse is when they're written in run-ons.

 

[Perseus]

I rarely bother to correct another's mistakes I see this as an INTJ trait. That is not why I don't do it. The reason I don't do it is because my inner child is INFP and likes harmony. The thinking component is relatively low on my scale, 7 at most, sometimes under 6. See Paragon threads.

Paradoxically, I feel inclined (not compelled) to point out the mistakes, but thinking says no. Harmony goes out the window with a rash outburst.

I never get sarcastic (thought also to be INTJ) but go straight from friendly to caustic. The trouble is I do this without intention, being unable to avoid the impression to a certain Other. I have been unable to discern the temperament of this Other, but from past experience I suspect the usual adversary, the ESFJ Horseman. The other possibilties are the ESTJ Bully, or even the ISTJ Dogsbody or even the ISFJ Mouse (although in this particular case the latter one would have to be the junction ISFJ/ISTJ snivelling Ratman).

 

[fullerene]

The answer to this may be scattered somewhere in one of your other posts... but did you just say you don't correct others' mistakes because it's a trait to a type you don't see yourself as? Aren't the types describing instincts, more than out actual actions (otherwise why would they tell you if you're "in between" answering to think back to how you were when you were younger)? Doesn't that defeat the point of knowing them at all?

 

[Apathy]

do you find yourself basing people's worth more on their willingness to embrace a different view or their rigidity firmly backed with logicality? And do you not care for initial credibility either?. ]

Keanne, I find that those who can rigidly back their view with logic may stir me up more that others, but even if they don't accept my position if they acknowledge it I will usually hold nothing against them. If I feel that they refuse my view without cause most likely their worth to me would go down. Whether or not I feel the need for a little bashing would probably depend on the topic and how much they stir me up. But, even though their value may have gone down I will probably still respect them.

For those who who change their view, if I can see that the reason for the change is that they now understand my view and share it I will receive the satisfaction of knowing I was correct, however I do have have the time for those who follow the person with the opinion for the sake of not wanting to learn about the topic, or just wanting to get along.

Some of the most aggravating people in the world are the ones who are too agreeable. I try not to associate with them as I feel I just might snap.

As for credibility, it might give me certain expectations, but I will still require an adaquate argument in order to change my opinion on any aspect. And the person will be required to explain in such a way so that those who may not follow highly technical jargon can still understand.
-I work in an IT field and I still hate tech talk.

 

[Thread Killer]

I only bash the ignorant who bash others because they are too ignorant to see why their bashing is totally off base, narrow-minded, cruel, and pathetic.

 

[Mischz]

Take everything with a pinch of salt, even when it's coming from another INTP.

WELCOME~! ^^

 

[Kumori]

Take everything with a pinch of salt, even when it's coming from another INTP.

WELCOME~! ^^

Especially if it's coming from an INTP, I like it when people question me.

And welcome!!