Fear of a Blank Planet: the INTP

[Seducer of the Homeless]

i don't know what it is, but i am beginning to become scared and disturbed by the INTP.

the ridiculous logical correctness, the coldness, to robotic nature....it is killing me. this is happening quickly but it is becoming heavily daunting....i cannot be INTP, i don't want to be INTP, i have been failing myself....i am not INTP and never will be.

could anybody explain this?! i need help, it is so horrible! the very idea of it is just scary


i am INFP

 

[Ashenstar]

*doesn't know how to respond, what to post, if you are serious or not, how to react, so just sits back and thinks on your post*

 

[Anthile]

Must... resist... being... mean... argh...

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

i am serious

be mean, i don't give a shit. say what you want to

 

[Ashenstar]

I wouldn't be too worried/scared. It's not like INTPs are taking over the world and Borg are just fictional. Beautiful, but a fictional fairy tale.

So, what exactly are you scared of. INTPs around you? The INTP tendencies within yourself? Or... what.... or becoming INTP.. or..

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

i don't know, i really don't

 

[Dormouse]

It's quite possible to be INTP without being cold and robotic. Rationality and apathy are different things.

 

[Ashenstar]

i don't know, i really don't

Do you want... a mathematical equation or a random wiki article to comfort you?

j/k

A hug? A cupcake? A beating? A fluffy bunnie? A pill? A razor? A pb& j sammich? *shrugs*

Edit:Well said Domouse

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

It's quite possible to be INTP without being cold and robotic. Rationality and apathy are different things.

i know this, i just...

 

[Da Blob]

Hmmm Why does this thread provoke such a feeling of deja Vu?

I do not wish to be an INTP, I would much rather be Extroverted. Most of the members of my family are extroverts. They are loved, respected and have high status in the community. Meanwhile I sit alone and unnoticed in my own little world, shunned as if I was 'evil' or something compared to the rest of my family...

I do not think that anyone truly wants to be INTP, it is just a fact of one's life...

 

[Ashenstar]

Hmmm Why does this thread provoke such a feeling of deja Vu?

I do not wish to be an INTP, I would much rather be Extroverted. Most of the members of my family are extroverts. They are loved, respected and have high status in the community. Meanwhile I sit alone and unnoticed in my own little world, shunned as if I was 'evil' or something compared to the rest of my family...

I do not think that anyone truly wants to be INTP, it is just a fact of one's life...

So, if you could trade in your INTP for another acronym, you would?

 

[SEPKA]

When emotion is correctly emulated by AI technology, you will realize that it is just another method of using logic. Then you won't fear it anymore, as everyone have just turned rational.
Sorry for the unstated assumptions.

 

[Cogwulf]

i don't know what it is, but i am beginning to become scared and disturbed by the INTP.

the ridiculous logical correctness, the coldness, to robotic nature....it is killing me. this is happening quickly but it is becoming heavily daunting....i cannot be INTP, i don't want to be INTP, i have been failing myself....i am not INTP and never will be.

could anybody explain this?! i need help, it is so horrible! the very idea of it is just scary


i am INFP

This struck me as a very INTPish thing to be saying, but I think the very fact you are saying it proves you are not cold and robotic, you are able to use and appreciate emotion via your T

 

[shoeless]

just embrace the fact that being an intp kind of sucks.

that's what i'm doing, and it's working out quite... well...

nevermind.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Am I the only one who actually likes being INTP?

So many people here act like it's a death sentence. Being INTP doesn't condemn you to any sort of lifestyle. If you don't like your current lifestyle; change it. At the very least INTP's are adaptable so put yourself in new situation and actively work on what you want to change. Sure INTP's tend to have similar issues, but blaming all your problems on your type and concluding your powerless to change them is not the right way to go about things.

If you must have a scapegoat, blame your parents. It's much more satisfying and if you cohabitate with them it will likely get you kicked out and force you into a new situation where you'll have to push yourself.

disclaimer: 'INTP' is not a standard to live up to either.

 

[Ashenstar]

Am I the only one who actually likes being INTP?

So many people here act like it's a death sentence. Being INTP doesn't condemn you to any sort of lifestyle. If you don't like your current lifestyle; change it. At the very least INTP's are adaptable so put yourself in new situation and actively work on what you want to change. Sure INTP's tend to have similar issues, but blaming all your problems on your type and concluding your powerless to change them is not the right way to go about things.

If you must have a scapegoat, blame your parents. It's much more satisfying and if you cohabitate with them it will likely get you kicked out and force you into a new situation where you'll have to push yourself.

disclaimer: 'INTP' is not a standard to live up to either.

No, I rather enjoy being INTP myself. It can be extremely frustrating, learning about what it means to be INTP has helped incredibly to .. create more harmony within.
From my INTP perspective, I could't live with myself if I was another type. Anything with an E especially. *small laugh* However, if I was E--- I would wonder how people who were I--- lived with themselves ESPECIALLY those damned INTPs.

 

[severus]

Am I the only one who actually likes being INTP?

So many people here act like it's a death sentence. Being INTP doesn't condemn you to any sort of lifestyle. If you don't like your current lifestyle; change it. At the very least INTP's are adaptable so put yourself in new situation and actively work on what you want to change. Sure INTP's tend to have similar issues, but blaming all your problems on your type and concluding your powerless to change them is not the right way to go about things.

If you must have a scapegoat, blame your parents. It's much more satisfying and if you cohabitate with them it will likely get you kicked out and force you into a new situation where you'll have to push yourself.

disclaimer: 'INTP' is not a standard to live up to either.

Agreed.

I love being an INTP! ^_^ Every type would have its own issues, you just might not notice them if you were that type. Because, analysing Ti, yes?

 

[Deleted member 1424]

No, I rather enjoy being INTP myself. It can be extremely frustrating, learning about what it means to be INTP has helped incredibly to .. create more harmony within.

Exactly the same case with me, it's nice being able to more or less understand yourself and your personal motivations.

From my INTP perspective, I could't live with myself if I was another type. Anything with an E especially. *small laugh* However, if I was E--- I would wonder how people who were I--- lived with themselves ESPECIALLY those damned INTPs.

I have a certain admiration for Es, but I'd never want to be one. They have to depend on potentially unreliable people for their happiness. I suppose all types do this to some extent, but Es seem to be bound by it far more then Is. In the right mindset Is seem to have a sort of liberating independence. It's not that we don't need people, we just don't need them quite so much.

 

[Ashenstar]

In the right mindset Is seem to have a sort of liberating independence. It's not that we don't need people, we just don't need them quite so much.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Puffy]

Am I the only one who actually likes being INTP? .

You're definitely not alone, being diagnosed an INTP was a relief for me as it gave some some justification to my thoughts. An INTP isn't doomed to be a schizoid (as I think you were getting at) and many INTP can have developed feeling sides, or whatever the psychological term is. It's just a way of thinking and I couldn't imagine myself anyother way.

 

[Aiss]

i don't know what it is, but i am beginning to become scared and disturbed by the INTP.

the ridiculous logical correctness, the coldness, to robotic nature... (...)

No, we are not. Robotic, I mean. Robots are repetitive. Robots' actions are organized. Robots obey the instructions, as long as they can understand them. Robots do their work when they're meant to. If anything, it's ISTJs that can act in a robotic way.

Now stop whining and go back to rationalizing, you'll feel better in no time. ; )

 

[Da Blob]

So, if you could trade in your INTP for another acronym, you would?

No, I am pretty content with who I am, it is just that the rest of the world seems to prefer that I be someone else with the aforementioned different acronym. I do not think society at large understands or appreciates INTPs...there are easier things to be...

 

[Dormouse]

I do not think society at large understands or appreciates INTPs...there are easier things to be...

Society seems to want me to think that I am not in fact INTP but a big failure of an ESFJ.

I would like to be an INTP minus the lack of confidence and difficulty concentrating on one topic.

 

[Aiss]

Society seems to want me to think that I am not in fact INTP but a big failure of an ESFJ.

So true.

 

[Beat Mango]

Pfft, go read some Thus Spoke Zarathustra, let it inspire you to be proud of your schizoidal tendencies. That includes you, Da Blob. Btw you're not an INFP, you're just an angsty INTP. It sounds like your Shadow is heaping shit on you - I get it too.

 

[Beat Mango]

i am serious

be mean, i don't give a shit. say what you want to

An INFP would most certainly give a shit. Sorry.

 

[Kuu]

What do you mean, blank planet?

Your claims to "not know" what you fear....you lie. You do know. You just don't wanna state it openly.

Stop lying to yourself.

 

[Nicholas A. A. E.]

I love being an INTP. I know a few people who understand this and me. I just which the concept of the INTP as a natural personality was understood or at least recognized by society in general.

I crave the ability to say, by way of explanation (or even as a prefix to some conversations), "Oh, I'm an INTP." And the response, "Ahh, I see." It wouldn't take much - it's a simple concept, that these certain behaviours associated with the INTP are valid and natural.

 

[Trebuchet]

I love being an INTP, too.

Seducer, are you upset by the high concentration of INTP traits here on this forum? This is a place to be ourselves and celebrate/discuss/bemoan that which makes us different, so it makes sense if there is a lot what you describe here.

I am certainly not cold or robotic, and when talking to non-INTPs I hardly ever mention any logical correctness, instead keeping it to myself. Nor do I think highly developed logic is ridiculous. I find it a source of pride and pleasure.

I find the original post odd. I have certainly had other people accuse me of being cold, or not in touch with my feelings, or other incorrect stuff. Everyone is misunderstood sometimes. But my INTP and INTJ friends have no trouble seeing that it is not so, just as I can read them very well. So for an INTP to see us all as cold and robotic surprises me.

Seducer, don't you have intense, passionate emotions, illogical moments, or warmth toward other people? If so, why doubt that other INTPs do, too?

 

[warryer]

I wouldn't give up the strengths of an INTP for anything. I do wish I could be more extroverted and more willing to use what set of natural skills I have. Oh the connections I make. I amaze myself sometimes. I'm sure if people knew just how well I knew their true self they would fear me which is the reason why I don't let the information out unless they truly understand me.

Those who do understand what I'm all about seem to get drunk off me. Sounds arrogant but thats how it is. I am your best friend or your worst enemy. I let you decide. Probably this is what you mean by coldness? People just aren't worth bending over backwards for. I am my own person if you dont like it then; fuck you! (Not directed at you OP just a generalized statement).

That being said, I don't hold other people to the standards that I hold myself because it really isn't fair. I let things slide because I see that in the bigger scope, the small problems just don't matter much.

I do tend to supress my emotion because simply it doesn't make much sense to feel anything from an external extrema. Eventually though it will boil over and it hits me so hard.

 

[Da Blob]

Okay! This may not sound 'right' and it is not a self-indulgent ego boost...

Most primates are ESF_. In fact, though attributing personality to the simple creatures may be an error, a case of anthropomorphism, The case could be made that INT_s are a bit more evolved cognitively than some of the other types. I think that it is well documented that INT-s usually encompass the most intelligent humans.

Therefore, wishing one was not INT_ is like wishing one was less intelligent. Which in itself is not a bad desire, as ignorance truly can be bliss on occasions...

 

[Jordan~]

I'm pretty sure if every type had a planet, INTP Planet would be one of the least bleak. We're creative, spontaneous and free-thinking. It'd be a chaos of interest.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

What are you afraid of? What is there to be afraid of?

Do you see them Seducer?
Of course not, they're hidden in plain sight, they're ones that don't want to be noticed, working their way towards you thorough the crowd, visible yet somehow approaching unseen.

Do you hear them Seducer?
Of course not, they're the quiet ones, the silent, secretive people sitting across from you, watching you with their sightless, glazed over eyes, their minds picking you apart in a realm beyond reality.

We're drawn to you Seducer.
Like cold dead vampires drawn to the warm beating, bloody hearts of the living, we're drawn to you, coming to reclaim you, to draw the warmth from your heart and turn your mind's eye inwards.

So relax Seducer, it will all be over soon, resistance is unnecessary.
In fact, resistance is futile

 

[cheese]

I think

1) You're realising you and everyone else have emotions that need to be recognised, and at the moment they're making a loud clamour attempting to get your attention

2) You're realising 'life', or the feeling of 'being alive', is inseparable from emotion - and the supposed INTP lack seems like death.

You have feelings and they're rebelling against their slaughter. You see this reflected in others and it scares you. You don't want to die inside.

Accept your fear, and any other feelings you have. Give yourself a break and don't analyse them away. They're real, and part of being human, and that's what you are.

There are constructive ways to work with your emotions, instead of against them, while not sacrificing rational judgement/decision-making. You don't have to choose between them. -----> !


Have some....cake.

 

[Jordan~]

I think this (and most INTP angst) is a result of emerging and strengthening Fe. I suppose the sudden appearance of that new kid on the block, a hitherto-unknown rival for Ti's hegemony of the mind, is bound to lead to internal conflict. It's much like leaving Plato's cave, only we've been in a cave where logic prevails and we walk out into the light of unreason.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

it is not that i regret any kind of separation from society, i don't want to be more extroverted or organised, don't wish really that i was a different person for the sake of happiness. it is not that i regret any of my faults, i lavish in them as they give me life. it is just the idea of being INTP is....dark for me. i have thought and thought, what i want from life, what i want to give to others and....i am INFP. in deciding what i am and understanding that i am INFP, i feel....very comfortable, i feel optimistic and i feel....for the first time ever slightly gifted, like i have something i can offer. it is a very liberating feeling, all of my selfish unimportant worries have been...this awkwardness and unease, the disappointment, as an INFP i feel free, i feel better about myself and others. things make sense, ironically enough, as a less logical being.

though what cheese said is, as usual, astoundingly insightful, your understanding of people is more than impressive.
oh, and Jordan: you look gorgeous

 

[cheese]

Thanks soth, that really made my day

If you've found a good place to be, fantastic. Self-liberation is a glorious thing.


ps love your handwriting by the way, you nut.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

my teachers don't love it! XD

yeah, i am kind of notorious for it, literally.

you are welcome for the thank you, but i have told only truth so....you deserve it

 

[Ombat]

I wouldn't mind being an INTP if I were more intelligent. I might actually enjoy it. It seems I have most of the negative traits of being an INTP, and very little positive ones. I just need to snap out of it. I get so caught up in these stupid four letters that I forget that I'm an individual with my own set of strengths and flaws.

I do like having a better understanding of most people and situations around me, but can't help but wonder whether I would be happier being a little more naive. I can't appreciate anything for what it is. I always have to tear it apart, analyze it, and find its flaws.

 

[transformers]

it is not that i regret any kind of separation from society, i don't want to be more extroverted or organised, don't wish really that i was a different person for the sake of happiness. it is not that i regret any of my faults, i lavish in them as they give me life. it is just the idea of being INTP is....dark for me. i have thought and thought, what i want from life, what i want to give to others and....i am INFP. in deciding what i am and understanding that i am INFP, i feel....very comfortable, i feel optimistic and i feel....for the first time ever slightly gifted, like i have something i can offer. it is a very liberating feeling, all of my selfish unimportant worries have been...this awkwardness and unease, the disappointment, as an INFP i feel free, i feel better about myself and others. things make sense, ironically enough, as a less logical being.

though what cheese said is, as usual, astoundingly insightful, your understanding of people is more than impressive.
oh, and Jordan: you look gorgeous

You're confusing being a good person with being INFP. Not all INFP's are saintly and not all INTP's are cold, heartless machines. It's possible to be analytical and still be helpful, loving and kind. And most INTP's do develop towards this direction with maturity.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

i never said that, i am still an asshole, F or T.

 

[flow]

Why do you think that you're an F? And, why do you think labeling yourself an INFP instead of an INTP is somehow liberating? I've also struggled with the T/F axis, mypersonality.info had me at 53% T and 47% F, so I enjoyed labeling myself an INxP for a while... but ultimately, I AM an INTP, I just have a well developed Fi. Honestly, these 4 letter types aren't truth. The differences between INFP and INTP are obvious, but the differences between one INTP and another INTP are obvious as well. I'd focus less on the order of your functions (and I guarantee you that your Ti is more developed than your Fi), and more on developing them. I think everyone should work to be an XXXX.. so you switching from INTP to INFP doesn't get you any closer to where you should strive to be (in my opinion).

 

[Melkor]

You are right to be afraid Soth.


We are watching you, and we KNOW that you fear us.


If you want to know what the world will be like, imagine a matrix screen, coming down on a human face, FOREVER.

 

[Felan]

Am I the only one who actually likes being INTP?

So many people here act like it's a death sentence. Being INTP doesn't condemn you to any sort of lifestyle. If you don't like your current lifestyle; change it. At the very least INTP's are adaptable so put yourself in new situation and actively work on what you want to change. Sure INTP's tend to have similar issues, but blaming all your problems on your type and concluding your powerless to change them is not the right way to go about things.

If you must have a scapegoat, blame your parents. It's much more satisfying and if you cohabitate with them it will likely get you kicked out and force you into a new situation where you'll have to push yourself.

disclaimer: 'INTP' is not a standard to live up to either.

The only I dislike about being INTP is there are too many of us. I encourage any who dislike this enlightened state to find another personality!

On a more serious note, I think the INTP type gets better with time. In my experience the SJ working world rather loves the NT. I used to feel I didn't fit in and no one noticed me, but it surprising how many people call me by name and I just don't know theirs. It has given me pause to think that perhaps I was the one that was unnoticing, rather than the world.

As to the OP I think INTPs of a young age, extrapolating from my personal youth, are overprone to trying to control their emotions. As INTPs are prone to experimentation I think eventually they play with letting some slack in that control and eventually let it run free but are still rarely ruled by emotion. For me let my emotions free is sort of like an abstract amusement ride but without a ticket price.

 

[Nicholas A. A. E.]

You are right to be afraid Soth.


We are watching you, and we KNOW that you fear us.


If you want to know what the world will be like, imagine a matrix screen, coming down on a human face, FOREVER.

SHHH! They're not supposed to know!

 

[Puffy]

I don't know if this is just me, but INTP's seem to be socially awkward when the're younger but as you grow you become more emotionally developed and put the social awkwardness behind you, but you don't become less of an INTP for it. I remember my school life as being socially isolated but through College and University I got a lot better at building connections with people. Now I wouldn't say I'm that much different to others in a social context. INTP is just a way of thinking it doesn't dictate your social standing and you don't have to be cold either, I think I live a spiritually and emotionally healthy life and i'm an INTP.
Granted it probably is more difficult for an INTP, just struggle on

 

[Zero]

What

The

Fuck​

 

[Kuu]

In my experience the SJ working world rather loves the NT.

Are you high on something?

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

i don't know what it is, but i am beginning to become scared and disturbed by the INTP.

the ridiculous logical correctness, the coldness, to robotic nature....it is killing me.

welcome to thought club

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

When emotion is correctly emulated by AI technology, you will realize that it is just another method of using logic. Then you won't fear it anymore, as everyone have just turned rational.

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