Developing Ti - Ti Activities

[Late2theParty]

I've been reading a lot about Ti vs Te. I think I have a pretty clear understanding of what Te does and what activities that utilize a lot of Te would be. But for Ti while I feel though I understand what it is... I'm not clear on what activities exclusively use Ti.

Here's a pretty good summary of Ti vs. Te for any who need to catch up...

Spoiler

Ti is all about logical

consistency - internal logical relationships, and

categorizing things in terms of logic. Te is all about

logical implementation in the real world - Te is a bit of a

"task master". Conflicts you will see with Ti vs Te are

primarily that of Te dismissing anything Ti comes up with

that "doesn't work", while Ti will be poking holes in the

logical consistency of Te and cringe at the lack of

understanding of nuance - or how things are built up.

Present statistical evidence to a Te user, and they'll accept

it as is (there are exceptions, obviously) and then look at

the practical application of this evidence. Ti will take the

same statistics and analyze the validity of the statistical

claim - what information was surveyed, are there any points

of bias, are there factors that undermine the validity, does

it hold together?

Ti *wants* to implement logical systems, just like Te - but

Te is much better at it. [Healthy, well balanced] Te can

discriminate between what is relevant and not, while not

concerning itself so much about the exact logical

relationships underlying and building these concepts - while

Ti strives for absolute clarity of logic.

Ti is fantastic at theory - Ti-doms will be able to take a

grain of truth and elaborate theories, branch out logical

relationships etc. This can be wonderful. However, their

strength is also their weakness --- they can sometimes start

off their train of reasoning on a false assumption, and then

the logical elaborations and theories built on this will have

absolutely nothing to do with anything even resembling

"truth" or "reality" (it is the EXACT same thing with Fi-

doms, just a matter of Fi-doms doing the same thing with

emotions).

Te is fantastic at logical implementation - at it's best they

will effortlessly implement logical systems, apply and

execute plans strategically and systematically. Which can be

wonderful. But, just like with Ti-doms, their strength is

also their weakness --- they can sometimes rely on faulty

"objective evidence" or draw conclusions on "the best ways"

too quickly and the result is then also going to be harmful

to their overall goal, both to themselves and others.

If I wanted to work out my Ti what would I do? My logical skills need sharpening. It's been said we should spend as much time developing our main functions, because they will always be the easiest for us to use, and have little energy expenditure.


1) What are activities that use Ti exclusively(or close to exclusively)? If so, why?

2) What are the best ways to develop Ti?

 

[Base groove]

Examine and analyze a system of your choice with the intent of withdrawing/extracting the basic logical principles or laws that dictate or necessitate its operation. Strip each principle down to its core, what truths can be gained?

 

[Anktark]

I understand Ti as taking an idea, all it's children, relatives and running them into the ground so deep they reach magma, evaporate and turn into a cloud of questions. But it's less about specific activities and more about state of mind/way to approach things. Sure, there are some processes that use more Ti, than Te and vice versa.

1) What are activities that use Ti exclusively(or close to exclusively)? If so, why?

I don't think there are any activities that use no Te at all. But there are quite a few that require lots of Ti. Here is what I came up:

If you are into programming: debugging, code analysis and optimization, learning/understanding new algorithms and finding how to implement them. Why: using Ti one is able to have a close/intimate understanding of the solutions, arising problems, their causes and relations. Also, you have to imagine whole program/concept or at least a big chunk of it in your head ;
Electronics/mechatronics design. Why: similar to programming explanation above, just different medium and variables;
Chess. Why- map the board, locations of figures, their possible paths, see your and your opponent's opportunities/options, understand your opponent's way of thinking and tactics (get in their head) ;
History. Why- understand relations between important figures, events. Draw a picture of the past in your head;
(City; computer networks) architecture/planning;
Philosophy seems like a Ti area. Why- seeing world from different perspectives, in a different way;
Military tactics/ RTS games. Why- similar to chess, just less restrictions to movement, no clearly defined figures, terrain (dis)advantages, chance of treason and you can rarely see all your opponent's resources, not to mention that rarely if ever the opponents are equal in strength.


That's from the top of my head. I think I could think of something else/more to your liking if you told us about your areas of interest.


2) What are the best ways to develop Ti?
Use it- like any other self replicating, evolving, recursive tool.

 

[DIALECTIC]

I understand Ti as taking an idea, all it's children, relatives and running them into the ground so deep they reach magma, evaporate and turn into a cloud of questions. But it's less about specific activities and more about state of mind/way to approach things. Sure, there are some processes that use more Ti, than Te and vice versa.

1) What are activities that use Ti exclusively(or close to exclusively)? If so, why?

I don't think there are any activities that use no Te at all. But there are quite a few that require lots of Ti. Here is what I came up:

If you are into programming: debugging, code analysis and optimization, learning/understanding new algorithms and finding how to implement them. Why: using Ti one is able to have a close/intimate understanding of the solutions, arising problems, their causes and relations. Also, you have to imagine whole program/concept or at least a big chunk of it in your head ;
Electronics/mechatronics design. Why: similar to programming explanation above, just different medium and variables;
Chess. Why- map the board, locations of figures, their possible paths, see your and your opponent's opportunities/options, understand your opponent's way of thinking and tactics (get in their head) ;
History. Why- understand relations between important figures, events. Draw a picture of the past in your head;
(City; computer networks) architecture/planning;
Philosophy seems like a Ti area. Why- seeing world from different perspectives, in a different way;
Military tactics/ RTS games. Why- similar to chess, just less restrictions to movement, no clearly defined figures, terrain (dis)advantages, chance of treason and you can rarely see all your opponent's resources, not to mention that rarely if ever the opponents are equal in strength.


That's from the top of my head. I think I could think of something else/more to your liking if you told us about your areas of interest.


2) What are the best ways to develop Ti?
Use it- like any other self replicating, evolving, recursive tool.

Do you man the basic difference between Te and Ti is respectively the "HOW" and "WHY"...

Which one came first ? Te or Ti ?
I would say Te; Te constructs concrete stuff and Ti comes along and thru abstraction, deconstructs (and reconstructs) the concrete stuff...

 

[Anktark]

Do you man the basic difference between Te and Ti is respectively the "HOW" and "WHY"...

Well, I am not sure if I comprehend what you mean by that, but No (unless we are being VERY shallow, then Yes). It's less about specific questions and more about direction, route and goal of those questions. Ti is used to attain understanding of the structure, concept, idea and how it connects to everything else. It's more intimate and more subjective. Te is more about implementing, changing the idea or concept for it to be in accordance with it's immediate environment. Te enables one to detach from idea/concept better and be more objective.

Which one came first ? Te or Ti ?
I would say Te; Te constructs concrete stuff and Ti comes along and thru abstraction, deconstructs (and reconstructs) the concrete stuff...

I don't think that either one came first, because they are not two separate things. More like two sides of the same thing, which is why you can't use only Ti or only Te. Here is a metaphor: you can use your hand to strike with a fist of with a palm. You might get the same result, you use the same hand, it's just that you use it differently. You might prefer one over the other, because one of them feels more natural to you, but you are able to strike both ways. So it would be like asking, which one came first- fist or the palm?

 

[BigApplePi]

1) What are activities that use Ti exclusively(or close to exclusively)? If so, why?

2) What are the best ways to develop Ti?

I like to make the Te/Ti distinction as Ti deals with your internal world; Te deals with the world outside of you. Develop the inner world the same way as the outer one. Learn the rules of logic, look for consistency, look for anything missing and check out your unconscious assumptions via analysis.

You are talking to an internal world thinker (Ti). I will go out into the external world to grab stuff (Ne Te Se in that order) but won't dwell on Te or Se. They are source material only. I wouldn't care to build an external system in the outside world unless it was an experiment. Ne I use to get input from the outside world. Si I use for consistency. Fe I use to check for false assumptions.

The above two paragraphs purport to contain Ti thinking. Ti thinking doesn't mean the Ti is correct even for a Ti dominant. Already I see my first paragraph is wrong. I falsely assumed Ti thinking meant good/ accurate/ consistent thinking. It need not be. It's like masturbating. Masturbating is sex, but is is good sex?

The 2nd paragraph sounds good but I don't feel perfectly right about it. I haven't thought it over far enough to check for inaccuracies/ inconsistencies/ assumptions.

What would I recommend to improve Ti thinking? Study mathematical systems and their logic. Bring the attitude from out there into you. Then get some privacy. I benefited from plane geometry in high school.

Which one of Te/Ti came first? I'd say which ever one you are. They emerged from the primordial soup of your being.

 

[Analyzer]

I like to make the Te/Ti distinction as Ti deals with your internal world;Te deals with the world outside of you.

Yes that's it. From there you can expand it to a variety of activities and methodologies.

External things can be seen seen from an internal viewpoint. An example would be why you are choosing a certain methodology to study physics instead of the choosing upon the different accepted methods(Te).

Internal processes can be seen from a external viewpoint as well. One example of this would be finding the applicability of a thought to form a system.

I believe there are both indirect and direct Ti/Te activities.