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Daria

DelusiveNinja

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#2
First, Who is Daria? Second, are we to debate or comment on this mystery person being INTP?
 
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I realised that she was probably INTP when my eldest daughter turned around and told her sister that 'Daria is so much like Dad sometimes'.
 

r4ch3l

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Agree. Maybe the only (accurate, intentional) female INTP main character out there. Although Margot Tennenbaum has a similar unaffected tone and overall demeanor.
 

Abe

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I love Daria:) I relate to her so well. She is the only true intp I've ever seen portrayed on tv. Am I wrong?
 

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Daria Morgendorffer, originally a character from Beavis and Butthead, then was the main character in an animated series called Daria (woah). It's streaming on the internet, so I suggest that you look it up. Daria is basically a cynical high-school outcast. I doubt you can have a debate on whether she is an INTP or not because it's obvious that she is.
 

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I second the suggestion that you look it up. Daria is really funny, the writing is great, and she is such an INTP. (Much cooler than I ever was, though.)
 
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Well, let's analyze some other characters...

Quinn- ESFP
Helen- ESFJ
Jake- ESTJ
Jane- INFP
Trent- ISTP
DeMartino- ENTP?
Barch- ENFJ
 
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#10
I typed Daria as INTP before in another thread but I believe she's INTJ on account of her resemblance to Aubrey Plaza. Typed by Auburn as INTJ.

I'd say some INTP characters were:

Rory Gilmore from Gilmore Girls.

Butters from South Park.
 
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Definitely ISFP or INFP

She's all about Fi. She's constantly focused on her identity and she portrays a banal mask to the world. She's one of those cold Fi doms Jung talks about, the ones that look like thinkers. She never uses Ti.
 

scorpiomover

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She displays a lot of INTx qualities. However, she has no desire to accommodate anyone else, and shows absolutely no concept of indecisiveness whatsoever. Quite the reverse actually. She makes fun of her dad's clear indecisive nature. Imagine an INTP without any P-ness. That's Daria.
 

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It's funny because INTJs say she's INTJ and INTPs seem to think INTP.

I once read something that argued she had Aspergers; it did kind of make me wonder with how little she seemed to relate with everyone in the show. I felt the same. Maybe intelligent people tend to have that problem though.
 

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Not even trying with Fe. Such a blantant INTJ. Analysis is done with sarcasm in mind. This is not how INTP works they mock Ni not Ti like Daria does.
 

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Definitely ISFP or INFP

She's all about Fi. She's constantly focused on her identity and she portrays a banal mask to the world. She's one of those cold Fi doms Jung talks about, the ones that look like thinkers. She never uses Ti.
First time I've seen an argument for Fi, I want to say you're right but I don't remember her show as much as I recall her appearances on B&B.
 

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^ just want to add, I agree that she has a lot of Fi. But I don't think that makes her ISFP or INFP in the mbti sense. An artist archetype or a passionate idealist archetype just doesn't fit her. I think Jane might be best considered ISFP though with her motivations to mix aesthetics for affect.
 

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Read Jung. Is she using Fi sympathetically/empathetically (feeler term so no one knows its true meaning :))?
Does not fit in Fi archetype.
The thing is that socionics got it right: You need lot of strength in your extroverted and introverted sides to properly use it. INTJs fail at Fe and outcome is just like Daria. Total lack of emotional expression. Where as I use emotional expression with non existent human values...:p Comedy and lack of being proper.
 

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> Is she using Fi sympathetically/empathetically
>An artist archetype or a passionate idealist archetype just doesn't fit her

The thing is those archetypes assume a healthy/positive type which isn't always reality, if she could have ASD couldn't she also have a disorder as an Fi dom?

I just thought it was a unique and interesting perspective on a commonly typed character, but like I said I don't really remember the show. And yeah I agree there seems to be a complete lack of Fe generation, receptiveness, or lifestyle.
 

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The thing is those archetypes assume a healthy/positive type which isn't always reality, if she could have ASD couldn't she also have a disorder as an Fi dom?
You know, nobody really makes the distinction, maybe because it's easier to say someone like that is a T. But it's an interesting question. What would distinguish the Jungian types for those on the autistic spectrum? Would they be vastly different? I really don't have any idea what to think about it.
 

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You know, nobody really makes the distinction, maybe because it's easier to say someone like that is a T. But it's an interesting question. What would distinguish the Jungian types for those on the autistic spectrum? Would they be vastly different? I really don't have any idea what to think about it.
Going to start over since I was making different points that became mixed up.

1.) I think an argument for Fi such as what ILYGodney made is interesting to think about especially when you have a character who is heavily disputed like Jung himself. Plus at first glace she does seem similar to Jung's description of Fi, so maybe she might be Fi? Personally I don't know the show all too well to be confident about it.

2.) MBTI type profiles have a healthy bias which may contribute to irl mistypings. Should there be attempts at discussing how unhealthy functions or types might appear to reach a more accurate understanding of typology?

3.) If she could be asperger's like you mentioned earlier, isn't it possible that same disorder is masking another type? Or did you mean INTJ/INTP = asperger's?
 

Reluctantly

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Going to start over since I was making different points that became mixed up.

1.) I think an argument for Fi such as what ILYGodney made is interesting to think about especially when you have a character who is heavily disputed like Jung himself. Plus at first glace she does seem similar to Jung's description of Fi, so maybe she might be Fi? Personally I don't know the show all too well to be confident about it.
She is on the show, especially through the show it becomes a big thing for her character. Though she's uncomfortable with it at times and seems to willingly suppresses it, it colors how she views and copes with her life. I remember it being a growth aspect to her character development though, perhaps as a reflection of Glenn Eichler (show's creator). Wonder what type he would best be. I don't really know if that suggests Fi suppression or dominance. I just know I related a lot to it (and still do). Maybe I'm more Fi dom, I don't know.

2.) MBTI type profiles have a healthy bias which may contribute to irl mistypings. Should there be attempts at discussing how unhealthy functions or types might appear to reach a more accurate understanding of typology?
I mean if people don't discuss this, isn't that like missing half of a puzzle? What's the point of having only half a picture?

3.) If she could be asperger's like you mentioned earlier, isn't it possible that same disorder is masking another type? Or did you mean INTJ/INTP = asperger's?
It's common for people to say aspergers = INTJ/INTP, but yeah I meant it could mask another type. No one's really discussed the idea. It's just easier to say INTP/INTJ or more commonly INTJ because some INTJs are anal-retentive and have to be right about everything, which fits autistic traits better I guess.
 

Polaris

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The things that distinguish ASD from certain MBTI types are typically sensory/physical hyper/hypo sensitivities. ASD people are more often than not abnormally affected by external stimuli, such as noise, textures, light, etc. Also, there can be quite severe cognitive difficulties like following instructions/sequences, over-focus on details, problems with Theory of Mind, and having tendencies to get meltdowns as well as characteristic stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms.

In a fictional character, this would be difficult to pick up unless the authors specifically wanted the audience to be aware of it.

Edit: yes, I guess ASD could mask other types unless people are extremely perceptive of the subtle differences. For example, I thought a friend of mine was ENTP, but later realised he might be an ENFJ with ASD.
 

Reluctantly

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ehhhh, your talking about it from the perspective of someone observing ASD. However, the mental state/understanding/perspective of someone with ASD very well can be portrayed on a fictional character and won't be so simple really.

But yeah, I guess if you want to be technical, I guess there's no way to flat out verify a character as ASD, unless that character was intentionally portrayed to have ASD. But I've seen movies where they try and portray ASD and it ends up being unrealistic and campy, like it makes someone a friendly alien when the reality can be quite the opposite. The only exception was The Imitation Game, which seemed accurate enough, but I don't think they were trying to portray ASD and not everyone with ASD is as socially/metaphorically oblivious as he was portrayed in the movie. But then again, they changed aspergers to a spectrum because not everyone with diagnosed aspergers is the same, go figure.

regardless, I've probably said enough. So I probably won't follow this for awhile, if ever, in case anyone cares.
 

Polaris

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Reluctantly said:
What would distinguish the Jungian types for those on the autistic spectrum? Would they be vastly different? I really don't have any idea what to think about it
Well, from my perspective I wasn't able to understand people properly until I discovered the cognitive functions. It made things systematic, which I can understand. Before that, people just seemed chaotic and unpredictable to me. Having learnt the specifics of CFs, I was able to recognise these in people as I finally had a reference point - and could thus make predictions about behaviours, which I could then prepare myself for and react to accordingly.
 

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Taking a step back and looking at the information Polaris provided I think ASD implies much more that does't seem fitting without complicating it. I guess the whole point is to identify what she most accurately portrays to use as a reference rather than go through hoops to find her true type.

In that case I say introvert and Te/Fi, but I can't go beyond that without knowing more
 
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