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[Linsejko]

I forgot how weird it is, how vain it feels, to start typing a piece all about yourself.

This kind of implied expectation that it is worth reading, because you are worth reading about, begins to set off all the warning bells that let you know there's a good chance you may be perceived as arrogant if you follow through.

Hello.

I feel like I should pause for a moment.

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It's been a long time since I was active on a forum, but this one compels. I recently took the MBTI, administered by a professional with a Ph.D who is also a friend.

INTP, the results said. Extremely I, extremely N, extremely P.

Lots of T, about 23.

I still feel mildly out of place even among INTP's, though not near as much as around everyone else.

Two counts:

1. I have a great deal of compassion for the stupid people;
1.a. I want to have a great deal of compassion for the stupid people.

2. I am relatively confident, a lot of the time. Most of the time, even. I get this from a few avenues.

1. is feeling like I am fairly exceptional among ordinary folk, generally a talented individual.
2. is not relying on that for my sense of self-worth.

(There may be others.)

2.a. I did, in highschool, have a period of depression when I had trouble solving a certain type of puzzle, and realize I would not be the best at anything, most likely. "Just good enough to realize I'm not that good", was how I phrased it.

3. I exhibit a competitive nature almost reminiscent of an ENTP, and a generally higher-developed social integration than is common in most INTP's.

3.a. However, this appears to be me as an INTP deciding I should gain skill interacting with others, more than ENTP being my natural type...

4. I feel like INTP profiles get a lot right when I read them, but that they are missing 'something'. Just, something.

5. I see nothing about art in INTP profiles. Do so few INTP's fdraw the connection between pattern recognition/symbols/meaning-searching with art?


I think I have strived to have the auxillary E & F components of my personality developed more than others- I believe life is about balance..


After typing all of this, I find it interesting that I break the ice in a community by pointing out what marks me as unique.

I am constantly engaged in self-analysis, striving to have true character, and to understand how I want to live my life. Why I want to live my life. So I do believe INTP is the closest any mold I've ever read fits yet.

And I have already read some things I have not known any other person felt before. That's a cool experience.

So yeah.

I like writing, rock climbing, philosophy, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, music (I play many instruments, primarily stringed instruments), relationships [purposely ambiguous], foreign languages (Esperanto & Hebrew, recently), health, and history.

I also recently did my first ever standing backflip. I then did my second & third a few days later.

Thus accomplishing one of my life goals. Celebrate with me.

.L
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[loveofreason]

Standing backflips? Congratulations. Heck if I could do those I'd flip around the room in celebration with you.

I'm lucky to get out of bed without the aid of a walking stick. *Cue croaking old voice... I used to rock climb. You young'uns don't know how lucky you are: dynamic rope, camelots, sticky soled phantoms.

Actually I'm not that old and was never more than a boulderer - no head for heights. Where do you climb?

 

[Chimera]

Congratulations on your backflips. I wish I could do that, but I'd probably break something in the attempt....furniture or a bone or something. (Wait, why would I break the furniture...hopefully I'd be smart enough to attempt a backflip outside...)
One thing you said really jumped off the screen and smacked me in the face (not really), the part about self-analysis. Being an INTP myself, I related to much of what you said, but that little bit sparked my interest, probably because I'm the same way. My self-analysis reaches past analyzing my character though...I'm more interested in the things from my childhood that caused my traits to form.
Another thing...INTPs aren't all math or science buffs. I'm into art as well, and I think I'm pretty good at it. If the income wasn't so unbalanced and unpredictable, I would probably consider it as a career option. But as things stand right now, it's just something I do in my spare time. INTPs should be able to learn art if they want to...it's a lot of observation and concentration, so it should be right up our alley.
I'm more balanced out T and F-wise...I'm about 63% T, 37% F. So I'm a bit more understanding of the "stupid people" (I love how they're all grouped together like the sheep they are), even though I wish I could just treat them like the interesting little specimens that I see them as.
Huh. I feel like I've written too much...again. Sorry if my long-winded post intimidates you or anything.

...Oh and uh, welcome to the forum.

Chime

 

[Vrecknidj]

I once fell during a spelunking expedition and nearly killed myself. So, that counts for both rock-climbing and back-flipping, I think.

Nice to see your post. I too have wondered about the artistic side of INTPs. I have a tendency to enjoy some art, but not most. And, in general, I don't like the super esoteric stuff, or anything that looks like someone threw some paint in a blender and caught the spray on a canvas.

That said, I have always had this tendency to create images, almost always various geometric shapes, and to contemplate them for a while thereafter. For a long time, I was having a lot of fun building squares out of Pythagorean-triple triangles set around another square. When I realized I could nest some such squares within others, things took off for me in that usual INTP-frenzy of activity.

Dave

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

I love creating, and seeing the result of creativity. Which is why I hate My Chemical Romance.

 

[Wisp]

Ahaha. Ahhh that's funny... I have a friend who bought a MCR CD, loved it for about a year, and then hated it when his social circle told him what mold it fit...

 

[Linsejko]

Ah Wisp... you entertain me.

lor, I too am primarily a boulderer; it is true, though, tech has brought the sport a long way. Just having ergonomic shoes that are so suitable is so nice.

Still, I've been playing with sport climbing in the gym lately. I live in a city once voted one of the best places to live as a rock climber in the US, so I'm fairly fortunate.

Chime-
Notice the line, " After typing all of this, I find it interesting that I break the ice in a community by pointing out what marks me as unique."

I think that's exactly the kind of self-analysis we're talking about, just not writing where my mind goes beyond that (that is internal. don't want to waste your time explaining myself in a post like this, right? . But I stored that for introspection later, to ponder why I have such a propensity to be unique, vaguely pondered about the importance of distinction among a group to my psychi, and then moved on for the sake of readability.

So I don't think we're as far apart as you might have imagined.

Otherwise, though, I consider what makes me who I am not to be so much a product of how I was raised (largely, not entirely), because of intuition & research... twins separated at birth being exactly alike, having completely different adoptive parents, never knowing each other; studies showing no correlation between adoptive parents' personalities and their adopted child's personalities, etc.

Still, I do try and discover why I am as screwed up as I am, and that is certainly based in my childhood. That is a never ending quest.

Also, my T/F was my most balanced trait. I re-read what I wrote, and for some reason absolutely failed to communicate what I had intended to there.

Further, I think I am intensely I, and have developed a kind of phantom E side that is highly developed, but always inferior to my I (it would be as if a very strong auxillary), and thus does not show up on MBTI tests. Perhaps I still lack understanding of the test's results' meaning, though... still trying to figure that all out.

Vrecknidj-
I intend to do a lot more spelunking in my life- I had a wonderful 3rd grade teacher who exposed me at a young age, and I have loved what precious experience I have had since.

Please don't die, btw.

I also find myself less drawn to the 'esoteric' (if there really is knowledge to be had concerning randomness... whatever...) art pieces, as opposed to the symbolic, poetic (whether prose or instrumental or graphic), and beautiful.

Perhaps beauty is subjective in art, of course. I think there's an argument against that, but I think it's beyond me at present. I could only present a phantom oh my intuition at this point of the idea.

Curious, what is your name's meaning?

--

Who else has solved/wants to solve a Rubik's cube? I refuse to read any help on it, and am one algorithm from getting mine to a solvable point after a few days of toying.

Also, does anyone else here play "Go", also known as wieqi, baduk, & igo? If so, what strength have you reached?

.L

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

LEVEL 500 AWSOME POWER!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry. Force of habit. Making fun of people who play WOW. Even though I would to, if I could be assed.

 

[Linsejko]

I have a friend who played WoW. He eventually sold his character for $300 on craigslist.

Amazing. I love thinking about the implications of SecondLife... understanding what people are actually paying for in that game, and what we can learn about the real world from it.

.L

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

We learn that people would prefer to choose their own taboos in their own little island.

 

[Ermine]

5. I see nothing about art in INTP profiles. Do so few INTP's fdraw the connection between pattern recognition/symbols/meaning-searching with art?​

Congratulations on the backflip!

Also, I was originally confused about tons of INTP profiles saying that we are more mathematically inclined, but I finally found my own personal reasons for loving to view and make art, as a guitar player, writer, and artist.

I've researched that INTPs universally love to explore complex systems, be it concrete stuff like math and science, or things that don't totally yield to analysis, like art and music. Also, INTPs are also known as architects. Not necessarily architects of structures, more likely architects of systems, mental architects. Additionally, as part of the P characteristic, we INTPs are not very good, or motivated when it comes to executing our schemes. I've found that in art, the work of art itself is often an artist's blueprint. In the arts, the blueprint is executed merely by being displayed. Appeals to my lazy side.

 

[Wisp]

INTPs work hard at being lazy. It's one of our best qualities. All you have to do is convince us that we aren't actually working..

 

[Linsejko]

Yes, the 'architect' mention in all those profiles fit very well; architect of data, constantly analyzing and correlating the data to create a complex understanding of the world around us.

I found myself good at math, but bored with it. I can't stand the repetitive homework, you know?

I was a bit frustrated to see the mention of INTP's becoming 'jack of all trades, master of none', because that meant it was ingrained in me. I noticed that about myself, and it bothers me. I strive to become better at execution, at mastery. I find that while something like math is very difficult for me to drudge through to mastery, something thatdoes not involve simple repetition to practice, but complex repetition- like sparring for BJJ, or competing in Igo (board game)- those I feel like I have a shot at mastering.

Classical training in guitar could become pretty burdensome, but if one teaches oneself, and is always practicing the new & untried... at least, that's how I've gone about instruments. I would have died in the early stages otherwise.


Anyways, I actually sent an email to myprofile.com, concerning their calling INTP's "engineers". I explained to them that they were misinterpreting what "architect" meant, and asked them kindly to change it.

I am not an engineer. xD

Also, all the talk about laziness- I understand and feel that, but do you feel that you can work relentlessly at a task you dedicate yourself to, even if only in short bursts?

.L

 

[Ermine]

I have my days, but that only happens every once in a while, usually whenever I have a deadline to make.

 

[Wisp]

ONly in short bursts is entirely true: while in a short burst, 'd rather keep going than eat.

 

[mumblin]

ugh boring....

 

[Wisp]

What's boring?

 

[farlda]

I think mumblin is looking for some sort of conflict.

 

[Ermine]

as usual.

 

[Wisp]

He seems to draw satisfaction out of unhappiness...sadism? j/k.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Nope, that's pain. This guy's a cynic, through and through.

 

[Wisp]

Hmmmm... It's freudian analysis time!!!! So.... were you abused as a child, mumblin?

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Mumblin: "I never was a child. Doctors said I'd grow out of it. That was the last time I went to a state owned medical facility. Grow out, of not being a child? How absurd!"

 

[VoidCrow]

I've only ever been truly competitive in one venue, and that was as a clan player in Quakes 1 to 3. I was in one of the top clans in the UK. Team playing wasn't my forte, though. My one true love was in hunting other *skilled* people through mazes and blowing them away. I stopped playing chess as a teenager, as I tended to play with a view to making the other person bleed, and I didn't like that in myself. You might think that my Quake days, and my chess gaming, were equivalent. I think that chess is much more personal.

I'd love to have learned to play *any* instrument, but I've never had obsession and opportunity collide.

I'd love to be able to backflip, and as far as martial arts are concerned I did some karate, again as a teenager, and decided that it was for maniacs. I've recently formed a wish to do Krav Maga.

 

[Wisp]

Yay chess.... It seems many INTPs play chess... NB3~!

 

[mm1991]

I've never played chess in my life.

 

[Linsejko]

Man. You sound less INTP the more I see you type, m&m. Go get yourself a chess set or something.

xD

I myself find chess inferior to the game known in Japan as "Igo", and here in the west as "go". I became very addicted, and also consider matches very personal.

Krav Maga is something I had interest in for a time, but eventually decided it wasn't for me. See, I want to have fun doing martial arts. Krav Maga is about Pwning, fast. I want to enjoy sparring, so... yeah. That was the end of that.

At the same time, BJJ is still devastatingly effective, without being cheap. I still have the option to not hurt you, but make you beg for mercy. Krav Maga, on the other hand, says 'kick him in the balls and gouge his eyes out.'

Heh.

.L

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Screw you all, you ego-manic group-seeking misfits.



Aha, I'm just messing with you.

 

[Olba]

I would like to remind you of something. Don't be too confident. Why?

Over-confidence leads to arrogance, arrogance leads to ignorance. Ignorance leads to faulty perception of reality. Which, by the way, is what most people with a psychosis are described as having. Heck, that's even a part of the dictionary definition of "psychosis".

 

[mm1991]

Ha, I think I just don't fit into the details! XD

 

[Linsejko]

Yeah, I'm just toying with you.

Olba, I wasn't going to ask "Why?", but kind of you to assume. I'm glad to know you think I have a psychosis. I'll certainly make sure to give those words a moment of thought, so that I can gain further wisdom on how to improve myself.

Moving on to other topics, has anyone ever heard of the very interesting topic of Freudian projection?

.L

 

[Ermine]

Not really. All I've heard about Freud is Oedipus complex and how children are subconsciously sexual from a very early age.

 

[Wisp]

I know he was quite... interesting.

 

[Ermine]

OK, I finally looked up Freudian projection. However, I didn't find it incredibly interesting. It's simply a law of nature that I live around: people blame people.

 

[Linsejko]

Hmm, no one caught it, it seems.

Ah well.

Freud was a crackpot. He had some interesting ideas, but he was (literally) a crack addict, and many of the dreams he uses in his analysis's (sp plural?) are dreams he gets from taking drugs.

.L

 

[Ermine]

that explains a ton. I knew he was wacky, but didn't know the crack part.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Hey, drug dreams are better, more vivid. Ummm... I hear.

 

[Melkor]

You sir, are an evil evil man.


I await the day when I can extract your brain with a syringe.
UNTIL THEN!

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

you'll be on the web, looking for giant syringes?

 

[Melkor]

I have a few ready prepared, surely you knew that?

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

then what are you waiting for? I'm sitting right beside you! Actually, why are we spamming here when we can just real-life chat?

 

[Melkor]

Because I'd ignore.

 

[Linsejko]

Burn.

Seriously though, what's up with the drugs? I have zero desire to get on drugs. Sounds like a fast track to screwing my life up.

.L

 

[Melkor]

Good boy, you are certainley going to beat cabbo in life
-icy glare-

 

[Linsejko]

Well, for starters, I play guitar. We all know guitarists are superior to bassists.



.L

 

[Ermine]

They're necessary and instrumental nonetheless.