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Hayyel

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I'm guessing this is the place for crazy ideas... so, here I go.

God is a dimension.

According to some people there are 10 dimensions, the last one of it being something that encompasses everything, every universe out of the whole multiverse. According to the same people, beings that "live" in a lower dimension are incapable to see the ones above them. They explained it like this- if there would be a 2D person and they would come across someone in 3D, they would only see fragments of them as the lines would cross. They would have no idea what they just saw.

Now... if this theory is true, and there are actually other universes out there, it would be reasonable to say we could never make contact with the full thing.

Also, according to some religious theories god is an entity that knows everything.

If he sees everything,, he must know what happens in other dimensions.

If he is capable of this, it means that he does not "live" in a dimension- he is the dimension.

This would of course mean that everything people believe about him is essentially true.
 

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So you're saying god lives in a higher dimension than us, and we cannot understand or comprehend him as we're limited to our lower-dimensional understanding?

I assume I could accept that idea, altho there's still a LOT of flaws considering the concept of an omniscient god.

I've always wondered, imagine any concepts which we do not have sensors / senses for. We see and feel the macrostructure of the world around us, along with pressure waves and electromagnetic waves. Yet we only sense these waves in the intervals that are most useful to us, (to fair extent) by evolution. Imagine there are concepts similar to electromagnetic waves, but we're blind and don't feel radiation heat... Would we ever be able to tell? Would we ever be able to find out about this concept considering there is no evidence of such?

That doesn't mean this concept is some sort of god, it just means we're not able to sense these laws of physics cause we're mere morals, organisms adapting to the world around us. If these concepts have no big impact on the world around us, there would be no reason for us to know about them.
 

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I'm guessing this is the place for crazy ideas... so, here I go.

God is a dimension.
Sure, so is the average length of nose hair or your credit card balance. A dimension is simply a measurable quantity. We live in a 4 dimensional space, or 3+1 to be precise, three spatial and one time. Make it a 3+1+1 space if you like, space, time and the price of Apple stock today. Doesn't help much, does it?

Besides which I've never seen a definition of god that makes him/it/her measurable, so it fails there too.
 

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I'm saying that if there is a dimension that's everything, it is safe to assume that there is nothing someone could come up with that this dimension is not. In this light every single god is the same thing, be it Allah or Yahveh or Zeus...etc. also, this would kind of explain the whole "angel"business. They seem to me like beings that have certain qualities, not ALL qualities, thus they are at least one step down from the last dimension. They probably get a lot bigger glimpse of God than we do, where the dimensions cross (imagine 1D, and 2D people getting a glimpse of 3D. A 2D would see whole lines of it , but a 1D only dots. Possibly.).
 
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Sure, so is the average length of nose hair or your credit card balance. A dimension is simply a measurable quantity. We live in a 4 dimensional space, or 3+1 to be precise, three spatial and one time. Make it a 3+1+1 space if you like, space, time and the price of Apple stock today. Doesn't help much, does it?

Besides which I've never seen a definition of god that makes him/it/her measurable, so it fails there too.
If God is derived from consciousness (which is not measurable) what is the conclusion on Gods and the measurable?
 

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Some would say it is infinite. Is infinite a measurable quantity? How would you measure the sixth or seventh dimensions?
 

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Sure, so is the average length of nose hair or your credit card balance. A dimension is simply a measurable quantity. We live in a 4 dimensional space, or 3+1 to be precise, three spatial and one time. Make it a 3+1+1 space if you like, space, time and the price of Apple stock today. Doesn't help much, does it?

Besides which I've never seen a definition of god that makes him/it/her measurable, so it fails there too.
Does general relativity tamper with the orthogonality of the four dimensional space (spatial and time)? By this I mean, time dilatation and length contraction happen at higher velocities (derivates of space to time) make me suspect that this orthogonality may no longer hold.

Then again, the relative position and time doesn't matter, only the speed does, as if the issues only begin by taking derivatives (to time!) both velocity, acceleration and onwards.

The concept of a four dimensional space works perfectly with galilean relativity, but this perfect orthogonal space appears to fall appart when applying special or general relativity. I guess i've just not had enough theoretical maths / science to truly understand. :(

/does this fall under crazy ideas or am I plain offtopic by now? :facepalm:

Edit : For something to be 'infinite', it would need to be quantifiable to being with, I think? There's no point in speaking of any quantifiable dimensions past 4 until they have been defined (within this thread, pretty please.)

Architect defined space (3) and time (1) as the first four. :p
 

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OK, according to a video I watched:

Dimension 0 - a non-existent dimension that can be imagined like a single point.

1st dimention is lenght

2D lenght + width

3D = 2D + height, or can be explained by folding a 2D object trough the 3D dimension (ex. if we would imagine an ant traveling down a newspaper is the 2D world, if you fold the newspaper the ant would suddenly disappear from one side of the paper and appear on the other. The 3D is this fold)

4D = the line between the past and the present, thus time. Imagine it like a long snake with you as an embryo at one end and you as dead on the other. We can only see 3D cross sections of this 4D. the 4th dimension is twisted into the fifth dimension (ex. möbius strip - someone traveling along it would see it as a straight line, while in reality it twists into 3D)

5D = the 4th dimension is twisted into the fifth dimension (ex. möbius strip - someone traveling along it would see it as a straight line, while in reality it twists into 3D) A split in 4D, or a multitude of paths that we could branch to in any given minute, made up of different "realities" that are influenced by our choices, decisions and the actions of others... thus multiverse.

6D = folding the 4th dimension trough the fifth... time travel. Jumping from your time to one moment of your past (imagine the newspaper example). BUT - since the previous D is the multitude of paths, you could for example travel back to your past, trigger an additional event that never happened in YOUR timeline, and traveling back to your new present will create another reality. If you fold the 5D trough the 6D this could happen just as instantly as the newspaper example.

7D = treats the entire 6D as if it were a single point. Imagine every single possible outcome since the Big Bang to the end of the "universe" as a single point. For us this would be infinity. If physics allow it, there might have been other, different Big Bangs somewhere out there, each one of them producing different laws and outcomes. If these were all seen as a point, drawing a line between the two "infinities" gives you the 7D.

8D = More than 2 7D infinity points- drawing another line between them (kind of like how we draw 3D with 3 lines)

9D = jumping instantaneously from one 8D line to another (again, newspaper example).

10D = all the possible branches for all the possible timelines of all the possible universes treated like a single point in the 10D. There is no possible place to go from here. All possibilities are contained here.
 

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I have absolutely lost you concerning the meaning.

I understand that you can keep adding dimensions. A mobius-strip is a three-dimensional surface. (There is no need to go 4D, but the allegory works).

Klein's bottle is a four-dimensional surface. (It's alot like the mobius strip, but then 4D). I believe analogons for higher dimensions also exist... Indefinitely. We could state we need a 4th spatial dimension (thus five dimensions, 4+ time), assuming the world as we see it is part of such a construction, but then we could use this reasoning to add dimensions indefinitely.

I think the same reasoning can be applied to serveral other dimensions you've defined. By which I mean, you define them and I assume they work (I didn't understand everything you said, sorry) but I see no physical evidence. Then again, assuming we're four dimensional creatures, finding evidence would be hard. It's a fine assumption, but why stop at ... whatever number it stops? Mathematically, you can just keep counting. Spheres are defined in every and any N-dimensional space, after all?

-Why do we need these dimensions to understand the physical world we live in, if there is no evidence of their existance. If god is involved in this, why would we care about this god? I'm not saying it's not logical or impossible, I'm saying that through these definitions, it feels like it simply doesn't matter as it's things we can't prove nor grasp?
 

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I'm not trying to prove anything, this is just a crazy idea I had, and I thought it interesting... I know, sometimes weird things pop into my mind that can not possibly be true, but it's still fun to imagine them and come up with things to support these ideas.

Like some time ago I actually made up a crazy theory that Puma Punku resembles the whole "tower of Babel" story :D Of course it can not be true, but it's still fun.

But back to the topic. You would stop at the 10th dimension, because it encompasses everything. All the possible universes, all the possible timelines, in every which way.

"Why do we need these dimensions to understand the physical world we live in, if there is no evidence of their existence"

I don't know. But everything started with a question, and maybe someday someone will come up with an answer. Possibly that they don't exist, but it's still an answer.

"If god is involved in this, why would we care about this god?"

It would make it easier for some people to accept each other's beliefs if it would be proven that there is no right or wrong "god".
 
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