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Michael Pierce video allowed me to write these descriptions.


Contextual Perception
Ni-Se
Aware that insights are coming from the self. They are internalized so ideas involved revel themselves from one's own mind creating something new in the subject. With the vibrant sensation of reality, it is directed by one's perspective being the center looking out in high resolution.

Universal Perception
Ne-Si
Insights are more of a view of reality as relations and all relations that could be from reality. Sensation is more of a certainty of the contents of reality than having a high resolution of reality.

Contextual Judgement
Te-Fi
Thinking is in the act of doing to test, experiment and build. To account for variables and go by the standard, does it work or not. Feeling goes by the built-up accumulation of preferences that determine if something feels right. Fi is judgment so in context the decisions one has made allows access to tons of context regarding preferences.

Univeral Judgment
Ti-Fe
Thinking is more complete in its designs and systems. It is concerned with finding the best way to solve problems by practically thinking of all possible ways to solve a problem in its head. Feeling is universal in that its preferences has been built up through decisions in groups. The right way to act is embedded in Fe's interactions with a large number of people well Fi would be from building preferences in one on one interactions.
 
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N - causative
S - empirical
T - calculating
F - evaluative


Ni - predictive, convergent
Ne - stochastic, branching
Si - certainty, recording
Se - vividness, photorealism

Ti - completeness, symmetrical
Te - achievement, goal oriented
Fi - personal meaning, self-centric
Fe - group affirming common grounds


Ni - predictive, convergent
Se - vividness, photorealism

Ne - stochastic, branching
Si - certainty, recording

Ti - completeness, symmetrical
Fe - group affirming common grounds

Te - achievement, goal oriented
Fi - personal meaning, self-centric

INTJ

Ni - predictive, convergent
Te - achievement, goal oriented
Fi - personal meaning, self-centric
Se - vividness, photorealism

INTP

Ti - completeness, symmetrical
Ne - stochastic, branching
Si - certainty, recording
Fe - group affirming common grounds

INFJ

Ni - predictive, convergent
Fe - group affirming common grounds
Ti - completeness, symmetrical
Se - vividness, photorealism

ENFP

Ne - stochastic, branching
Fi - personal meaning, self-centric
Te - achievement, goal oriented
Si - certainty, recording
 
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Thinking of how Michael Pierce is INFJ reminded me of how he seems to know so much about typology that I had to redo the functions based on how much he knows.

Ni - motion leads to events, these happen under conditions.
Ne - static systems, change resonates through the whole.
Si - known knowns, known unknowns etc...
Se - detailed realism and perspective

Ti - internally ordered refinement
Te - experimental hands-on
Fi - deeply embodied being
Fe - observant of others character

INFJ

Ni - motion leads to events, these happen under conditions.
Fe - observant of others character
Ti - internally ordered refinement
Se - detailed realism and perspective

Starting with Se he may not express it much but just Se by itself, Se doms can draw so well that some must notice my avatar being different Anime characters at times. I could never be able to draw such pictures. Next would be that since he is a Ni dom he is always trying to see what happens next, combined with Fe he can know what a personality type is by his years of experience. Last he is very ordered by Tert Ti and his videos show this.

This is what I noticed, I made changes to my functions descriptions.
 
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ENFP

Ne - static systems, change resonates through the whole.
Fi - deeply embodied being
Te - experimental hands-on
Si - known knowns, known unknowns etc...

Things seem to start with Si as the dots and Ne being the connections between the dots. First, all the connections flash at once from one dot, then a new concept emerges that explains and encompasses other thoughts. Such as the ideas that internal feedback and external feedback shape memory as retention, generation, and manipulation.

Fi being the internal feedback of generating the feeling for or against what is desirable and repulsive. Te being what manipulates by external feedback perfecting and retaining how to change the environment to achieve Fi. And NeSi generating and retaining new perceptions.

This is applicable to all types.
It should help in understanding new methods for functions.
 

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ENFP

Ne - static systems, change resonates through the whole.
Fi - deeply embodied being
Te - experimental hands-on
Si - known knowns, known unknowns etc...

Things seem to start with Si as the dots and Ne being the connections between the dots. First, all the connections flash at once from one dot, then a new concept emerges that explains and encompasses other thoughts. Such as the ideas that internal feedback and external feedback shape memory as retention, generation, and manipulation.

Fi being the internal feedback of generating the feeling for or against what is desirable and repulsive. Te being what manipulates by external feedback perfecting and retaining how to change the environment to achieve Fi. And NeSi generating and retaining new perceptions.

This is applicable to all types.
It should help in understanding new methods for functions.
This is a little bit like how Jund described things coming from unconscious thought to conscious thought. I don't really fully understand what Jung was trying to say exactly, it's very complicated.
 
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internal feedback and external feedback shape memory as retention, generation, and manipulation.

retention is access storage and retrieval by generation and manipulation.
generation is always internal, manipulation can be internal and external.
 
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This is a little bit like how Jund described things coming from unconscious thought to conscious thought. I don't really fully understand what Jung was trying to say exactly, it's very complicated.
The way I understand it Ni is linear and Ne skip around as nonlinear.

So NiSe goes ABCDEFG all the way to Z the conclusion
Well NeSi goes A to P to J to Q to F to R

Ni predicts things and is good at it.
Ne is randomly creative and unpredictable almost.

Since Jung say Intuition is unconscious we can see that there is no way we can empirically show that predictions nor creative ideas can be derived from the senses. They just pop into the heads of intuitive people. That is why they are causative because we can understand how ideas have consequences. ABC and APJ. An intuitive will know what these mean by what they cause to do. (the letters are just to show an abstract causal chain).

I am a Ne type so I am not good at predicting things like a Ni type can.

You can tell I am all over the place with my ideas.
 
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Introverted Judgment
Ti - wants to have correct thoughts, constantly checking them, critique them.
Fi - goes by what feels right is on the inside with people, corrects self when necessary.

Extroverted Judgment
Te - wants to get things done and to check things out, interact and verify, think by doing.
Fe - interactions with people follow objective criteria of what has worked in the past.

Introverted Perception
Ni - forms conclusions as to the way things will be or the way things are analogical.
Si - has certainty as to the way things were or the ways thing are definitively.

Extroverted Perception
Ne - experiences a broad set of most probable potentials ideas will have in the world.
Se - experiences a broad set of perspectives, sights, sounds, a high resolution of reality.
 
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Si - senses trigger previous senses that meld together inside them
Se - everything is outside them in crystal clarity

Ni - the world is part of them so they seem to have a prophetic knowledge of the future.
Ne - the world is external to them but they know what the world could be so they shape it.

Ti - thought as thought in itself goes to the limit of thought to think all that can be thought.
Te - thought can only be thought in a certain way limited by reality, nothing is beyond reality.

Fi - the deepest self, that which know it exists and knows the mystery of being, to be.
Fe - is observant of others, understand the nature of man and community, acts in duty.
 
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more ideas I got from Michael Pierce

Fi - Relation to self before others.
Fe - Relation to others before self.

Ti - Find all ways a puzzle fits into my ideas and with other puzzles.
Te - Solve the puzzle in the most efficient way.

Si - How do these sensations relate to other sensation I have experienced.
Se - I experience high-resolution 5 senses of the world before me.

Ni - The world has been taken into the self so the answer, any possibility in the world being true, is a flash from the mind when confronted in reality with a question.
Ne - What is possible in the world is a branching of all possibilities. So that answer is merely a probability distribution that can be collapsed by process of elimination, leaving the answer.
 
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AK, I highly recommend you reading 'Psychological Types' - straight from the horse's mouth. You will learn a shit ton, I know I have and I am only on the second chapter.
 
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AK, I highly recommend you reading 'Psychological Types' - straight from the horse's mouth. You will learn a shit ton, I know I have and I am only on the second chapter.
I read chapter ten and I have no money to buy the book in English but from memory, I can tell you each function according to Jung. Rember this was from his ill patients.

Ni a prophet, has visions
Ne an entrepreneur, moved from unfinished idea to unfinished idea.

Si animalistic instinctive drives, primitive
Se a sensualist, wanted always to be stimulated.

Ti does not limit what thought can do
Te limits thought to correct methodology

Fi suspicious of others. sees conniving plots everywhere.
Fe talkative and flattering. lies a lot, superficial and expressive.
 

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It's worth the investment. Even if you have to save up for it.
 
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Si - Comparative senses
Se - HighDefinition

Ni - Knowing
Ne - Connecting

Ti completeness
Te efficiency

Fi directed at self before others
Fe directed at others before self
 
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From socioncs perpective:

NeTi generator of potentials
NeFi motivator of potentials

NiTe stochastic wacko
NiFe relational wacko

TeSi methodology establisher
TeNi enterprise establisher

FeSi Enthusiasm establisher
FeNi Societal establisher

SiFe comfort wacko
SiTe convenience wacko

TiNe meaning systemization
TiSe order systemization

SeTi generator of orders
SeFi motivator of orders

FiNe meaning of values
FiSe order of values
 
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I believe the 4 functions all operate in us but in degree.
I am ENFP and N opposes S and F opposes T
N can be with T or F and S can be with T or F
N with F must oppose T with S
If reversed NT would oppose SF

In ENFP NeFi must shift to TeSi.
I only guess but in me, TeSi operates at 1/4 the power of NeFi
I must lay down da Rule'z or I can't cope.
I need ways of taking potential and analyzing it.
I would go mad like Carl Jung patients if I never stopped to reflect.

simply, analyzing the potential of an idea allows understanding if the idea is more or less likely to be able to be carried out. Endless potentials is madness, as never-ending hope idea to idea.

NeFi motivator of potentials
TeSi methodology establisher
 
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Actual

Si – Comparative in senses as similarities and differences new experiences with old.
Se – High-resolution heightened senses, capable of drawing, music and 3D perspectivism.

Possible

Ni – Prophetic. Synchronicity, symbolic and hidden meanings prevail. Interpretation of dreams. See inside the soul.
Ne – Potential. Everything that something could be or could be used for or become.

Mechanism

Ti – Is it True. How do I symmetrically follow every line of reasoning to reach all conclusions I discover.
Te – Will it work. How do I find the right configuration to achieve the goal. How do I eliminate the irrelevant?

Motivation

Fi – personal values, opinions and beliefs of a person set the criteria for making the right decisions
Fe – decisions are informed by external factors and the actions that will lead to the best outcome.
 
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From socioncs perpective:

NeTi generator of potentials
NeFi motivator of potentials

NiTe stochastic wacko
NiFe relational wacko

TeSi methodology establisher
TeNi enterprise establisher

FeSi Enthusiasm establisher
FeNi Societal establisher

SiFe comfort wacko
SiTe convenience wacko

TiNe meaning systemization
TiSe order systemization

SeTi generator of orders
SeFi motivator of orders

FiNe meaning of values
FiSe order of values
By what author?
This would be the problem with socionics.

AK, I am telling you, a vast array of knowledge awaits you if you actually start to dig into Jung's work.
 
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Temporary pool for my notes. Still looking for forum notes.

Actual
Si – Comparative.
Se – High-resolution.

Possible
Ni – Prophetic.
Ne – Potential.

Mechanism
Ti – Is it True.
Te – Will it work.

Motivation
Fi – personal values.
Fe – external factors.

ENFP
Ne – Potential.
Fi – personal values.
Te – Will it work.
Si – Comparative.

Ne is always looking at the way things could be an this affects how Fi makes decisions because Ne is super efficient at seeing all options Fi can filter them for maximum benefit. A Fi dom would have fewer options and stick with 2-3 options Ne auxiliary thinks is correct more as one option Se auxiliary. Te then operates with Si. Fi is just a filter for deciding options are best or worst thus Ne dom has Fi best worst maximum options weighted. Si recognizes what did work in the past and Te what new methods are needed to make Fi choices work. Fi choose option X so Te goes for it by making it work by designing a way or plan. Ne also gives all options that Te can work with to get to the goal to put is it all together.
INFJ
Ni – Prophetic.
Fe – external factors.
Ti – Is it True.
Se – High-resolution.

Ni is a filter that a person views reality through. Everything has meaning and everything symbolizes or represents other things or events. Names in the bible mean full sentences of what a person does or is. The Tree of life and parables. Josephs coat of many colors, Joseph interpretation of pharos dreams of 7 years of plenty them 7 years of famine. Jesus saying that John the Baptist is Elijah to come. The live in a psychic reality.

Fe understands how society operates and knows exactly the rules and tables in operation. Fe know how to navigate the social world and all the particular proclivities. Fi, on the other hand, does understand rules but know that social conventions can be weak and breakable there is respect for individuality that is part of the social convention that the rules make part of the social order as long as this is not pushed too far. Fe understands this but by the hierarchy and general complete states of society as a who including individualism and collectivism, Fi operates on the moral premise of the order of the system being oppressive and that the right thing to do is change specifically not necessarily to grasp all social conventions or connection of the complete order.

Ni and Fe combine to create a psychic reality of the interconnectivity different people ber the same people the same personality look temperament job. That is high school you call your friend the Dancing queen because she is 17 and the song just fits her right. As a baby, you are named Jesus because Jesus comes from Joshua who defeated Jerico after Moses died ending the 40 years in the desert. The temple of God become your body and. The body of Christ becomes the follows of Jesus. Ni Fe does weird things to society. Your other high school friend becomes Simba the lion king.

Ti then becomes the search for truth, testing everything you believe about society and the symbolism. Cross-referencing everything in the Tanakh and debating Rabbi all the questions of morality and eliminating every controdiction and repelling every attack by the counterexamples and ultimate implications the must be implied by what you have learned.

Se works with all other functions is vital to integrating them by having crystal clarity of the mind resultant of high-resolution senses.
 
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Introversion Feeds back into itself

Extraversion Needs External Feedback


Si - Everything seems to blend together in meaning (colors of the wind).

Ne - Sees multiple ideas pop up from the world.

Ni - Refines a select few personal ideas.

Se - In the moment spontaneous high resolution.



Ti - Focuses on ordering every thought one has.

Fe - Observes and better understand how people work from common influence.

Fi - Reserved, continuous internal modeling of the human condition.

Te - Very experimental, thinking by doing, results-oriented, empirical.
 

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AK, you need to digest some material instead of doing this mental masterbation of changing what each function means ever so slightly.

You can start here:

 

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Let me know if it is any good; I have it in my watch later category, but it's behind "the greater personality" in terms of Jung material.
 
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AK, you need to digest some material
I have had experiences with my unconscious and one time I got past my shadow to my anima to my self. The shadow is the repressed part the part you think are the unfavorable parts. I was crying saying how much I forgave someone that really hurt me so deep and it was myself that said my shadow to cross the barrier to forgive myself how bad I really was. So I saw my anima shining in gold light that loved me that had her light envelop me as a liquid. And I embraced by her light.

Not since then have I ever had the peace at that moment.
I have met several females in my dreams all possessing souls.
I could see it in their eyes that these dream people had souls.
My dreams are such realities that are caves of deep meaning.
I do reflect but how do I tell someone.
The dreams and the unconscious feed back into itself.
That creates worlds to explore that worlds can't explain.
Digging up the roots of all the brain cells folding back inward.
It can't be done, it is all integrated. A simulation of all inside.

To sit down and be surrounded by worlds and people.
What blocks me is the emotions, emotion mental block.
No energy flow. It was released with the anima and the gold light.
More needs to be released. It cannot build up to blop you.

The type seems to block you if the type is forced with the wrong unnatural energy for it.
 

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That is something I was not expecting. I think you are onto something in this post, though I am not quite sure what. Jung talks about the greater personality, which is a metamorphosis of the psyche. It can bring you close to death when it happens. I am wondering if this is something that happened to you or not.

Could you expand on this:

"The type seems to block you if the type is forced with the wrong unnatural energy for it."
 
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Could you expand on this:

"The type seems to block you if the type is forced with the wrong unnatural energy for it."
This is what I got how doing the opposite of a functions function could lead to stress and overall poor feelings. Also, it could be the reverse function that gives trouble. If I am ISFJ and I try to do Ti I will suck at it and stress will result. The energy is devoted in judgment to gaining Fe feedback which means the Ti internal feedback will be drawn away and into the main judgment function. Si will use all the energy and Ne will struggle to do anything without the energy the main function is using. Ti and Ne having little energy will struggle causing stress causing brain damage. Stress caused by a drain of energy and the limited willpower to maintain the weaker functions.

Stress doing opposite of functions function:

Si - forced to be too fast experiencing the world not settle on one experience
Ne - forced to settle on a few ideas to explore
Ni - forced to skip around too much working on to many things
Se - forced to slow down and reminisce one experience at a time

Ti - forced to be active in the world not having time to think but just do.
Fe - forced to be isolated thinking about people but no feedback.
Fi - forced outside itself having to constantly deal with social affairs
Te - forced to work everything out with no external verification

I did too much Ti (I struggle with low working memory) so I forced myself to try and order my thoughts when I had not the capacity to do so and not the inner workings of sitting in a quiet place to just think. I just cannot sit and just think. I cannot feedback into myself the thinking function like a Ti dom can. This caused stress and brain damage. I used my Si less often but is my main ideas source. Perceiving ideas not deciding how to order a thought on an idea.
 
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I think it would be more appropriate as the opposite functions having the opposite effect/stress.

Don't you think that is plausible.
 
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I think it would be more appropriate as the opposite functions having the opposite effect/stress.

Don't you think that is plausible.
When Fe is externalizing Ti cannot internalize.
When Ti is internalizing Fe cannot externalize.
Fe doms drain themselves internalizing judgment.
Ti doms drain themselves externalizing judgment.
Fe dom conditioned itself to go external.
Ti dom conditioned itself to go internal.
That is why it is had to switch judgment methods.

Same for Fi Te

Ni doms internally recognize well Se dom externally recognize.
Si doms internally recognize well Ne dom externally recognize.

Switching between internal and external recognition is draining.
Ni shifting from refining a set of ideas to experiencing the big wide world taxes them.
Se shifting away from the big wide world to developing a small set of ideas taxes them.

Same for Si Ne (shifting focus is draining from conditioned main perception)

That is how it is with perception.
 
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Why did you leave out Ne?
 

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I might add something here... hmm

Ti/Fe is how someone interacts with people in a way that makes logical sense to themselves.
Fi/Te is how someone puts their personal beliefs into action in the outside world.
Ni/Se is how someone takes in information from their senses and physiology and processes it to predict something.
Ne/Si is how someone reflects upon their inner world to create connection to explain things.

I really should not be doing this until I get a better grasp of Jung's Cognitive Functions, but this is mostly for fun anyways.
 
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Contextual Perception
Ni-Se
A select few ideas Ni or a select few experiences Se are focused in on. So everything surrounding them is what is being receptive to by these functions.

Contextual Judgement
Te-Fi
A goal Te or a contemplation on a personal issues/position Fi is where the decision has priority. Because of this one issue, everything sounding it determine how to decide on the matter.

Universal Perception
Ne-Si
Multiple ideas Ne or a concentration of multiple experiences Si create a reality of what seems like the whole of reality that has been in them so far. The receptiveness of experience to current reality is in comparison to the total ideas and experiences they have.

Univeral Judgment
Ti-Fe
All that is considered by all options in proposition Ti and in consideration of all options/factors that affect everyone Fe. Decision is widened to the more than a personal relation but into the broader perspective that must be accounted for creating a complete effect on everything/everyone by exact decisions made.

 
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Introversion is the mind feeding back into itself and Extraversion is the mind creating a loop between itself and the outside world.


Actual
Si – Senses impress into the self-giving a feeling of knowing what the source of the sensations is. The sensations are what they are because of the source and this means you can know the source by the sensations alone. By all the impressions that came before.
Se – Everything is seen in colors, shading, perspective and lighting, body posture, motion.


Possible
Ni – A person perceives from the inner self all that they know and this tells them ideas fully formed as if a book with 50 developed characters with backstories in a complex world just appeared to them. This accepts in real life with full realizations that seem as if they are psychic.
Ne – A person perceives all possible ideas/angles to situations and so can be sure a selective approach is best and a verity of combinations to explore.


Manipulation
Ti – Most thought occurs in the head that has a complete picture of how everything works inside but needs to adjust everything as a matter of degree with new information.
Te – Most thought occurs outside and is mediated by how to achieve goals by the rules one learns and combining them to get the desired effect.


Motivation
Fi – A person is motivated by personal expression and how to show what they feel on the inside.
Fe – A person is motivated by being appreciated by a community and contributing meaningfully to it.
 
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Contextual Perception
Ni-Se
Ni(At this moment I know something and it is a silent quit clarity of just is present moment knowing beyond words and pictures. not general by specific, it is inside me)
Se(There is no obscurity of vision and I see what is textures and colors and the way they go together, anything can be beautify but art is memorable, creates lasting complexities.)
Extraverted Sensing - Aesthetic value and appreciation.
Introverted Intuition - Answers come out of you naturally as what just feels right.

Contextual Judgement
Te-Fi
Fi(I currently have this connection to this one something and or expression)
Te(I see reality as it is right now and I need to adjust my understanding of it to those parameters)
Introverted Feeling - Deep personal meaning.
Extraverted Thinking - Empirically verifiable reality.

Universal Perception
Ne-Si
Ne(Ideas should work in any place and any time)
Si(appearances usually have deeper realities underneath)
Introverted Sensing - Impressionistic interpretation.
Extraverted Intuition - A branching of ideas as potential within things seen in the world.

Univeral Judgment
Ti-Fe
Ti(Principles of thought must be consistent too how I organize my thinking about the minds contents)
Fe(The rules apply to everybody in a community, we must mediate all views to come to a mutual resolution)
Extraverted Feeling - Devoted communal living.
Introverted Thinking - Mental musings in the head, proficiently organizing thoughts in the head.
 
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