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Average racial intelligences and why there is no Jewish conspiracy

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This thread brought the banhammer down on me in the white-supremacist Stormfront forum. Got your attention?

I would like to think that the popular acceptance of the science of genetic intelligence differences of human races, after population genetics makes it undeniable, would also make popular a rational understanding of race. However, I fear that it would instead stir up racial hatred among whites, not just against the races below them on the IQ spectrum, but also against the races above them. Ashkenazi Jews, in particular, have been the frequent target of jealousy and conspiracy theories among whites. Jews are overrepresented among the intellectual and aristocratic elite of every sort. As Wikipedia expresses it:

While only about 3% [2% is more accurate] of the U.S. population is of full Ashkenazi Jewish descent, 27% of United States Nobel prize winners in the 20th century, 25% of Fields Medal winners, 25% of ACM Turing Award winners, 6 out of the 19 world chess champions, and a quarter of Westinghouse Science Talent Search winners have either full or partial Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.​

Also, of the Forbes Top 50 Billionaires, ten of them are Jews. They are likewise overrepresented as entertainment celebrities and great authors. Jews have it all! Why?

It is probably NOT due to a grand Jewish conspiracy, and this is a point that I hope more white nationalists would understand. There is no need for conspiracism, because it follows directly from a higher average intelligence. With the higher average measured intelligence, the whole Jewish IQ bell curve distribution (not just the average) is moved to the right. The average Ashkenazi Jewish IQ is estimated to be between 110 and 115. My calculations will assume an average of 112.5.

Years ago, there was drama within the organization of Mensa because one of their members promoted anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, and he was kicked out, perhaps due to a large portion of Mensans being Jews themselves. The religion of 10% of Mensa, according to one survey if I remember correctly, is Jewish. Is this statistically expected? We can check by using an online z-score calculator. Mensa accepts only the top 2% of intelligence scorers, assuming a median of 100 IQ. For whites this means Q=0.02 and z (standard deviations above the median) = 2.05. But for Jews, it is only z=2.05-0.83=1.22 standard deviations above the median, which gives a Q value of 0.11, or 1 in 9.

So, American Jews are five times as likely to qualify for Mensa as American whites. As Jews are about two percent of America, it is statistically expected that Jews be 10% of American Mensans.

The differences get even starker the further you travel along the right tail end. The IQs of such billionaires as Paul Allen and Bill Gates are probably in the vicinity of 160 (Paul Allen scored perfect and Bill Gates scored almost perfect on his SAT). So, how much more likely is a Jew to have an IQ greater than 160 than a white? Back to the z-score calculator. An IQ of 160 is 4 standard deviations above the white median, or 1 in 31,574, but it is 3.17 standard deviations above the Ashkenazi Jewish median, or 1 in 1,297. So, an Ashkenazi Jew is 24 times more likely than a white to have an IQ above 160.

What explains the high IQ of Ashkenazi Jews? There are many speculations, but the best ones are rooted in the breeding history of Jews in Europe. Such speculations include:

(1) Ashkenazi Jews of the Middle Ages worked in banking and law, success in such occupations depended on high intelligence, and success meant the opportunity to raise more children. This pattern may have been enhanced by Jews being prohibited from owning land and working in the common trades. Christians stayed away from banking as it was the sin of usury. That is the hypothesis I favor.
(2) Jews strongly encouraged the more successful members of their society to have more children, and they discouraged the less successful members of their society from having children.
(3) Literacy is a strong tradition within Judaism, and being a successful Jew meant being more literate.

So, is there really any need for conspiracism? Are Jews really puppeteering the black race to dominate and exterminate the white race, or something like that?
 

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Interesting research. I find there to be no need to conspire against Jews, mostly because of what you say here. I do agree that literacy, both in reading and mathematics, has been promoted throughout Jewish history, hence the success of Jewish immigrants in the 1900s due to their experience with money and business strategy.

I don't think the Jews specifically are really up to anything New World Order-ish.
 

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An IQ of 160 is 4 standard deviations above the white median, or 1 in 31,574, but it is 3.17 standard deviations above the Ashkenazi Jewish median, or 1 in 1,297.

I understand how Z is calculated but I do not see how Q is calculated.
How do you find 1 in x ?
 

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I understand how Z is calculated but I do not see how Q is calculated.
How do you find 1 in x ?
Q is the share of the area that is the minority portion of the distribution with z as its boundary. The x in "1 in x" is just the inverse of Q. I don't know the formula for Q from z--I just use this online z-score calculator:

https://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/analysis/zCalc.html

It would be a complicated formula, I expect. Introductory statistics textbooks have z tables in the back of the books to save the calculation trouble.
 

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I was assuming he was comparing two groups of Ashkenazis knowing their distribution in Israel and the United States. If he knew the word "Ashkenazi," that should tell you something.
 

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I don't think it's a matter of race, but a byproduct of Jewish culture.

Taking for example the children raised to be chess grandmasters by this guy. Intelligence and "genius" can be taught, and at least in Australia the Jewish have a real culture of learning, education, strong family connections and of passing knowledge down through generations.

They've managed to maintain a culture prizing intelligence, academic achievement and long-term success, as opposed to one of instant gratification.

The mechanisms for judging the disparity of intelligence between specific races are very clunky because of their purely statistical nature. It could be that it's entirely hereditary and it could also be that it's entirely the product of environmental factors.

We have a lot of evidence that environmental factors make an absolutely massive difference on intelligence, so their impact can't be marginalized (although I'm sure you'll try).
 

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Intelligence and "genius" can be taught
No
We have a lot of evidence that environmental factors make an absolutely massive difference on intelligence
To a small degree (and not particularly relevant stuff for developed countries, such as malnutrition, severe abuse and living in the goddamn jungle etc), yes. Otherwise, no.
 
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I don't think it's a matter of race, but a byproduct of Jewish culture.

Taking for example the children raised to be chess grandmasters by this guy. Intelligence and "genius" can be taught, and at least in Australia the Jewish have a real culture of learning, education, strong family connections and of passing knowledge down through generations.

They've managed to maintain a culture prizing intelligence, academic achievement and long-term success, as opposed to one of instant gratification.

The mechanisms for judging the disparity of intelligence between specific races are very clunky because of their purely statistical nature. It could be that it's entirely hereditary and it could also be that it's entirely the product of environmental factors.

We have a lot of evidence that environmental factors make an absolutely massive difference on intelligence, so their impact can't be marginalized (although I'm sure you'll try).

The real secret is identity.

That is, jews stick together.

While the lawyer associations, judges, academics, medical colleges and associations, money changers (bankers) and mass media (all institutions run by jews behind the scenes going on 100 years strong in America and Europe) promote the ideas of a justified -indeed imperative- anti-white racism, jews remain untouched.

Academia and the mass media have been tearing down the glue which holds white people together (their identity) while continuously strengthening their own...going on what, how old is Hollywood etc...almost 100 years?

Funny how if the term 'white privilege' were switched to 'jewish privilege' how quickly the concept of special privileges for a certain group is in fact real.

And the genius of it is jews are considered white by a dumbed down public (heck even that Zimmerman guy was promoted by the media as 'white' and the moronic public seemed to eat it up) when jews want to claim the benefits of white privilege...yet when the benefits are attributed to white privilege the jews still claim the benefits under their 'minority' status.

Case in point study the 'white' enrollment of jews at the ivy leagues as compared to authentic white (WASPs) students as a percentage of their representation in larger society.

Not going to deny the jews are genius for preserving their own identity as both white and jewish for when the situation demands.

Its a tribal thing. Or a gang thing. You are born in or out. Roll of the dice. Not that its a good or bad thing. It just is:)
 

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Actually yes.

To a small degree (and not particularly relevant stuff for developed countries, such as malnutrition, severe abuse and living in the goddamn jungle etc), yes. Otherwise, no.


That idea is in conflict with a significant amount of evidence.

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/rev/108/2/346/


Abstract:

Some argue that the high heritability of IQ renders purely environmental explanations for large IQ differences between groups implausible. Yet, large environmentally induced IQ gains between generations suggest an important role for environment in shaping IQ. The authors present a formal model of the process determining IQ in which people's IQs are affected by both environment and genes, but in which their environments are matched to their IQs. The authors show how such a model allows very large effects for environment, even incorporating the highest estimates of heritability. Besides resolving the paradox, the authors show that the model can account for a number of other phenomena, some of which are anomalous when viewed from the standard perspective.

On phone currently. Will post more later.
 

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Why even bother to post something behind a paywall. Especially while mentioning "a significant amount of evidence".

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0vbf_hjernevask-brainwashing-in-norway-english-part-2-the-parental-effect_news

Spoilered because embedding produces some really weird shit
 

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The idea is that more intelligence brings more sustenance and stability, which in turn brings more intelligence.
 

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http://allpsych.com/journal/iq/#.VeOyb70_7qA

Summary article with references.

I'm not arguing that genetics are obsolete entirely as a determinant factor of intelligence, but it's disingenuous to marginalize the impact of environment and other non-hereditary factors.

Like I said I'm on a phone so can't easily discern what is or isn't pay for view. I don't like it either but I find studies and source material by far preferable to journalistic interpretations of science. I'd rather dig for good material than settle for second-rate knowledge, even if it means paying from time to time.

If I can dig up a free version of these I will.

Oh wait never mind, Fukyo found it in 30 seconds. Thanks (:
 

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I think baron almost got it right. I personally think it's because they have the ability to contain two cultures within themselves. It's common to see bicultural and bilinguals having much higher IQs than their peers of the majority. Having a home culture allows them to see the dominant culture of society in more of an objective, unblurred manner.

Another pointer is that they probably were descendants of the Ashkenazi Jews who were the top academists from Germany, during the first half of the 20th century- the smarter and more richer ones migrated to the US because Nazism/Hitler while the rest.. well you know what happened. This is the same with East Asians as well, the more well off ones migrate over to America (during the IMF crisis, or the Asian Financial Crisis and before that, the various wars), (which accounts for the higher IQs and higher educational standards of Asians). The H1-B-Visa the US is handing out accounts for this phenomenon called 'brain drain' which basically means that the developed countries drain out the best and the brightest from the lesser developed ones.

So basically America is a brain-eating monster, like that incest overmind from Starship Troopers :P
 

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There is a point about the relationship between averages and extreme events like Nobel laureates or super-successful people you might find interesting.

Things like the ones you describe typically don't follow a Normal distribution, but instead are distributed according to a power law (in particular, this invalidates the use of Z-scores). It can be shown that the frequency of, say, Nobel laureates is very insensitive to the average IQ of the population but extremely sensitive to the tail exponent of the distribution. So you can have a population of average IQ 90 but still have way more geniuses than another population of average IQ 110, simply due to having a lower tail exponent.
 

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Actually yes.




That idea is in conflict with a significant amount of evidence.

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/rev/108/2/346/


Abstract:

Some argue that the high heritability of IQ renders purely environmental explanations for large IQ differences between groups implausible. Yet, large environmentally induced IQ gains between generations suggest an important role for environment in shaping IQ. The authors present a formal model of the process determining IQ in which people's IQs are affected by both environment and genes, but in which their environments are matched to their IQs. The authors show how such a model allows very large effects for environment, even incorporating the highest estimates of heritability. Besides resolving the paradox, the authors show that the model can account for a number of other phenomena, some of which are anomalous when viewed from the standard perspective.

On phone currently. Will post more later.
IQ is a test,it only test a very limited kind of intelligence,if it possible at all to judge intelligence.Because it is a test of course studying more for it will improve your result,having more collective knowledge will improve country scores.
Genetics have the most influence on intelligence,even in the same environment not everyone can do anything,an average janitor son is highly unlikely to win a nobel prize.
Environment might have partly influence on genius,I consider the genius treat as the use of intelligence,intelligence as the sword to the samurai,what he want to know,what he ask, research and create.Genetics also have a huge say on that,yourself,your interest,how the environment will react to you(what you will see of the world)
If I were to be born in africa I would not be stupid,you will see less indication of intelligence but still it is there.
 

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I applaud OP for being consistent in his appraisal of the races (unless he's jewish, then he gets nothing).

I do wonder why Abe feels the need to start his threads with an explanation of how banned his content has been in the past. It makes it feel like we're interacting with a billboard.

It does seem like culture and privilege are not being taken into account by some here. The notion that intelligence is entirely inherited has had it's time, but it's simply not supported. It's certainly not entirely environment - any view that puts nature or nurture as an absolute or anything close to absolute is an extreme position that does not represent any kind of accepted consensus. In fact, most psychologists think the notion that you can answer the question of nature vs. nurture with a percentage fallacious. Cause and effect can't really be measured that way in psychology.

Personally I lean towards IQ differences between races being mostly derived from culture, test bias, and privilege. There is likely some racial differences, I doubt they're that large. I'm not that invested or well-read on the topic though.
 

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I don't think there is a conspiracy. But I do think jews benefit from social bias toward them in the west. It probably also help that a lot of jews are already powerful and financially successful. It is likely that jews having powerful jews in their social network, will reap a benefit from that. I also think a jew is just as much a racist as the general person, which means that they are likely to prioritize other jews more than other people of otherwise equal emotional status from their point of view.

Basically, I think it is a little too easy to say that a difference in IQ is a "direct" explanation to jewish success, without regarding any other aspects. It creates a fairly skewed image of reality. IQ may very well be a direct explanation. But it may also not explain more than 0.01 of the variance. We don't know until we control for other aspects.
 

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I do wonder why Abe feels the need to start his threads with an explanation of how banned his content has been in the past. It makes it feel like we're interacting with a billboard.

Well, being banned from Stormfront is rather a badge of honor... I'll give him that.
 
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