Are you invisible?

[loveofreason]

Just wondering. Is it just me or could it fairly be considered an INTP thing to think as though you're invisible?

Of course I don't mean literal invisibility, just the assumption that no one else notices you or what you do. Completely forgetting you have an outward appearance or any impact on the world around you.

 

[mm1991]

It's true for me.
I don't converse with other people while I'm out and about, and I'm not loud, I barely make any noise at all.
I don't see any reason why anyone should take notice to me.
But sometimes, people give me very strange looks, which then brings me back to reality that people do take notice of me once in a while, and I wish that I was invisible.

 

[Ermine]

well, I do have a habit of thinking about things objectively, about both what's going on around me and what I'm thinking. I also have a habit of surprising my friends when they suddenly realize that I'm standing next to them. It's not necessarily a bad thing unless I'm standing in a circle, with a converation and people fail to notice that I'm talking.

 

[mm1991]

I hate when that happens!
It's usually because we're the quiet ones, so they either overlook us or think we don't have anything of quality to say.
I think "Hey! If we are quiet most of the time and we actually want to take the time to say something, it's going to be important!"

 

[moonpie]

consistently.

 

[hairlessbluetick]

I used to be. But because of my particular brand of crazy (PTSD due to neglect as a child,) I have an unusually strong need to be noticed and approved of (which sucks because it conflicts with my natural INTP-like tendency of not caring what other people think until they have proven worthy,) being interesting and noticeable has been my project for the past few years. So, I don't really fade into the shadows as much as I use to. However, I still FEEL like I do. I've always considered myself the person no one talks about once I've left the room. But then, that says more about me and my hangups then it does about what people are actuallt saying or doing, I think.

 

[Wisp]

Until I feel like making their irrational conversations come crashing to the ground under the crushing weight of logic. I exaggerate, but you get the point.

Oh, and I've found that using the right tone of voice is ESSENTIAL for cutting into conversations in this manner.

 

[farlda]

I get the invisibility thing a lot, usually when I'm deep in thought and even I forget that I'm there. On more than one occasion I've been startled out of thought by a friend hugging me saying I 'looked upset'. Other times I walk out of a room to return 10 minutes later to musings of 'when did you leave?'.
Recently I have made the effort to talk to people, but usually in an effort to make them feel included. Being INTP/INFP borderline makes me a little confused as to how to react to people.

 

[DisorderedThought]

Other times I walk out of a room to return 10 minutes later to musings of 'when did you leave?'.

Same.
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[Yozuki]

Yozuki is the many time traversing into virtualization and sensory the reality. Too indeedy Yozuki is sometimes the zombie and the weirdment of human mechanical. Yozuki is a see the sensory the reality in the virtualization as third person.

 

[loveofreason]

Yozuki is the many time traversing into virtualization and sensory the reality. Too indeedy Yozuki is sometimes the zombie and the weirdment of human mechanical. Yozuki is a see the sensory the reality in the virtualization as third person.

Yes, I think that's what it's like to assume/feel invisibility from within our heads.

Do other people notice you?

I'm within my own mind so much - forget that I have a body - that it still comes a shock to me that anyone notices I exist.

Thoughts, apparently, are not perfect camouflage.

 

[Ermine]

^ Yeah, that happens to me quite a bit. Whenever someone that I don't know too well starts talking to me, I end up sounding a bit awkward since I'm not used to people addressing me.

 

[Yozuki]

Yes, I think that's what it's like to assume/feel invisibility from within our heads.

Do other people notice you?

I'm within my own mind so much - forget that I have a body - that it still comes a shock to me that anyone notices I exist.

Thoughts, apparently, are not perfect camouflage.

ESFJ is the talking 'you leave that persona now, it the pissing me off, focus on the me, me, me, instead the thinking you is the zombie'

ISFJ is the not caring. ISFJ is the thinking Yozuki is the weird and too much the thinking. ISFJ is too much the concerning own mind. Yozuki is the correcting ISFJ that INTP is the best, happiest and most important. Most assuredly ISFJ needing the protection and the happiness. Yozuki is the thinking definitely, but the knowing the better and the leaving alone.

ENTP is the ignorant and not caring. ENTP is too mucht he happiness and destroying the logical function.

ENFJ is the curious and the wanting enter mind and pull the outing. Yozuki is the responding or the ignoring on the mood methinks. ENFJ is the annoyed and the angry activity when question is the ignoring. ENFJ is the destroying INTP ability and much the anger is Yozuki. Much the seething, the anger, the meltdown on ENFJ, the crying is ENFJ.

INFJ is the questioning. INFJ is the clueless in the no answering and the showing concern.

ESTJ is the saying 'you is the non functioner of group, you is the cooperation immedietly' Yozuki is promptly the angry and the middle finger.

ISTP is the not caring. Yozuki is starting the ranting and raving, ISTP is the scared and not knowing. ISTP is the 'I not knowing and the hinting go away'

ESTP is the joining in and the much the goofball activity. Sometimes the annoying. Yozuki is many times exchanging the stupid and forgetting the mind.

ENFP is the patronizing and too much the annoying I think so. ENFP is not the understanding, ENFP is the ignorant and the stupid. Not even thinking the disgusting groupie.

INTJ is not the noticing. Yozuki is not the wanting to know. INTJ is too much the judgemental when Yozuki is the explaining.

ISTJ is not the noticing, not the caring, and not the talking. Yozuki is not the bothering explaining. ISTJ is too much the practical and opposite, not even imagination the icky mind.

INFP is the try to understand, INFP is the completely clueless. Yozuki is thinking the weird like the human mechanicals thinking Yozuki is the weird.

ENTJ is too much the two sided the persona. Too much the bossing Yozuki around, too much the ordering and removing the thinking activity. Gadzooks! Yozuki is the hitting on him to return the favor! Yozuki is too much snickering. Nya.

Gadzooks! Too much the talking.

 

[Vrecknidj]

I have a friend who, when he drinks too many mojitos, thinks he's invisible.

Otherwise, no, I'm not invisible. Not usually anyway. If I need to be, then that's another story.

Dave

 

[spiderx]

I am invisible when I want to be. Actually, my goal since I was 14 is to become a ghost. I try to walk as silently as possible so that eventually I am only seen and not heard. This makes it easy to sneak up on people. I want that after I'm dead, people will catch me in the corner of their eye, or they have to keep looking over their shoulder, thinking I could be there.

 

[Wisp]

That's ... kinda perverse, but also a little cool.

 

[Ermine]

Cool concept, but I'd prefer people to know that I exist and that I matter while I'm alive. It would be awesome to be a ghost that sneaks up on people after I'm dead.

 

[Wisp]

I'm not light enough to pull it off, though I can walk silently if I make a conscious effort.

 

[Chimera]

I'm not invisible, not in that sense. You see, at my school if you act invisible then you are painfully visible. Quiet people are not overlooked, they are under scrutiny every second. If a quiet person says one word, it is met with an uproar from anyone listening, causing that quiet person to be forced into the center of attention. I don't particularly want that to happen to me... I have one good friend in many of my classes, and we think similarly enough for my tastes. So instead of becoming invisible, I prefer to commune with this single friend. That way I can talk without torturing myself mentally and the other kids in the class are accustomed to at least hearing my voice. However, in the one class I have without that friend, or whenever she is absent from school, I am silent unless I mutter sarcastic remarks under my breath.

 

[Ermine]

Yeah, I can't stand it when the popular kids at my school put me in the center of attention whenever I say a word to them. Then I end up acting like a fool because I don't really want to talk to them in the first place and they start making assumptions and I've got a sticky situation on my hands.

 

[EditorOne]

Sometimes invisibility is a good thing. As a journalist, I've many times learned about interesting things that eventually turn into stories because people have forgotten I'm in the room and carried on interesting conversations they'd have been aghast to know I heard.

 

[Wisp]

Any situation that involves me and "popular" people tends to end badly, usually because of my overly sarcastic, drawling tone. I also hate rulebook administrators... *shudder*

 

[Chimera]

Any situation that involves me and "popular" people tends to end badly, usually because of my overly sarcastic, drawling tone.

My sarcasm stays with me no matter what the situation is... I've found out that I'm good at being popular, and I don't need to demonstrate it to other people. Knowing it is good enough for me. ^^

 

[Wisp]

My tongue is sharp, my mental tongue more so. I wish people understood how much effort I make to tone my thoughts down so i don't hurt their precious feelings. I like teeling others because I like hearing people's reactions.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

It's only you who sees yourself as invisible. The rest see you as occasionally anti-social. Or just a normal guy/gal. I know the feeling, but really only when I want to hide something. I'm a damn good liar. But, I don't like lying, as it happens. I'm also pretty good at seeing a lie.

But now I'm completely off-topic and egotistical.

I could be popular but it is my observation that this leads to an overly sanctimonious, 'everyone loves me' feeling that can have the exact opposite affect as natural charm and goodness. I'm friendly, but if someone takes something I say as insulting, it gets to me. I don't make random statements about people's odor, appearance, or mother, unless I'm joking, and you can tell when I'm joking anyway. I make factual criticisms of the person's personality, and then they take offence, even though it's their own shortcoming. Like, steeky ego-manic moron, or something. Then, of course, they reply with something like 'fatass' or 'hippie bastard' which doesn't really mean anything now. the 'steeky' observation means that they have no individualism, and then they back this up by attempting to shatter mine, through counter-observations of appearence without any merit to them.

Damn, I type fast.

 

[Wisp]

I'm the same way with lying. Also, I love the way stupid people will use what they think are big words in retarded ways...

 

[rmadilo]

It's only you who sees yourself as invisible. The rest see you as occasionally anti-social.

Well, maybe for you. Invisibility is real. But if you have never been invisible, what do you know about it?

Example: at a graduation party I sat on a porch swing, obviously on a porch, maybe 15 feet from the front door. I sat there for maybe 90 minutes, reading a book. I was aware of all my friends going in and out of the door, but I was invisible, reading my book.

At the end of this reading, I had a thought process. I'm going to join the party. I closed my book, and one of my friends suddenly noticed me, asked me where I had been, etc. Invisibility is real, and can be noticed by the INTP. I'm not saying that you can decide to be invisible, or not, or when, but you can recognize the transition point.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

the difference here is, would they interrupt your reading? I do know and have experienced, all too often, what you're talking about. For example, and this was very wierd, I saw, on a train, a friend of mine. We aren't the closest of friends, but we have talked and partied together. I sat down opposite her, and not a word. Not even when she went to get up.


Now, think about this. Maybe, as an INTP, we like to see just what the surrounding environment holds. That has merit with me because I'm doing a course on forensics. Perhaps some of the other types just don't asses the environment as much. So, what we would term as ignoring is just, well, ignoring. But not because they don't recognise you, just because they don't even see you. Maybe they're busy, maybe you seem to be busy, maybe they don't see you. 15 feet can be pretty far.

 

[Wisp]

Invisibility is real, but in a non-literal sense.

 

[Linsejko]

invisibility is real both literally & non literally.

Have you ever seen pure oxygen? It is non-visible, is it not?


"ESTJ is the saying 'you is the non functioner of group, you is the cooperation immedietly' Yozuki is promptly the angry and the middle finger.

ISTP is the not caring. Yozuki is starting the ranting and raving, ISTP is the scared and not knowing. ISTP is the 'I not knowing and the hinting go away' "

That was hysterical.

Yozuki, I've got to get to know you better. xD

--

I don't find myself invisible, but I do find myself fading... just, I linger. Like a realization of consciousness just before sleep, perhaps.

Rather, I find myself more as separate. Like, I can see me sitting on a bench in a crowd, thinking to myself, before & after the crowd's existence, not affected in any visible way.

I can just as easily see myself sitting there being an active observer, but that's not touched upon in this thread, directly.

.L

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

people being invisible. You need to take these things less literally. I thought INTPs got metaphors?


But what you need to do in the invisible situation is consider the causes of it before jumping to conclusions, otherwise you might blame yourself for something that isn't anybody's fault.

 

[Wisp]

Good advice for any situation.

 

[Linsejko]

Wisp stated the obvious, but without technical correctness. This deserved a reply in kind.

Of course I knew what he was talking about. And of course you know I know what he was talking about. And I imagine you even knew I knew you'd know what I was talking about.

So :P.

.L

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

I actually find it hard to judge if people will pre-emptively judge my response, and it rarely happens. Although I don't see how what you are talking about comes in to it; "you even knew I knew you'd know what I was talking about."

 

[Wisp]

Gah! My friends do this to me... but they're much harder to pick apart in conversation.

 

[Yozuki]

That was hysterical.

Yozuki, I've got to get to know you better. xD

Yozuki is you the making honorary sidekicking. Still the inferior human mechanical bipedal, but much the better I think so.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Like robin was batman's batslave.

 

[Wisp]

Lin the batslave!

 

[Linsejko]

"And I imagine you even knew I knew you'd know what I was talking about."

that last line is, 'you'd know what I was talking about." As in, how my response to Wisp made sense- I was talking in kind to wisp. This is what you'd know, what I said that you would know.

So, "I knew you'd know."

And then, "you even knew I'd know."

So,

I imagine,
you even knew,
I knew,
you'd know,
what I was talking about [in my response to you].

It makes sense. Really.

--

Yozuki, what do you actually mean by human bipedal? Does this mean mortal human? And how am I much better, but still inferior?

.L

 

[whiterae]

I feel invisible, but I'm not sure what other people think. Often when I'm in a big group, even when I feel comfortable with most of the people, I feel like I'm not really there. I feel like I'm just observing the conversation and even if I do say something, no one will notice. I feel kinda like I'm looking through a one way mirror. I can observe what they all do, but none of them can see or hear me.

 

[Yozuki]

"And I imagine you even knew I knew you'd know what I was talking about."

that last line is, 'you'd know what I was talking about." As in, how my response to Wisp made sense- I was talking in kind to wisp. This is what you'd know, what I said that you would know.

So, "I knew you'd know."

And then, "you even knew I'd know."

So,

I imagine,
you even knew,
I knew,
you'd know,
what I was talking about [in my response to you].

It makes sense. Really.

--

Yozuki, what do you actually mean by human bipedal? Does this mean mortal human? And how am I much better, but still inferior?

.L

Humans -
Natures Organic Machines
Walks upright with bi-pedal locamotion

Much the better, but still inferior is a video game reference.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

SQUEEZERIBBIT.

That has as much relevance with the topic as what you were saying, Lin. It made sense, sure. I never said it didn't. But you should know that what you were saying had nothing to do with what either I or wisp was talking about. The real question is, what are you talking about?

 

[Olba]

Maybe an exception to a rule, socially I'm everything but invisible. In school, I'm a name known by pretty much every teacher and student in my age group. I don't really know why, I don't feel like I've done anything to earn such notoriety.

In social interaction, my being invisible or not varies greatly depending on who I am with. If I'm in an official or family setting, I'm usually rather quiet and of few words.

On the other hand, if I'm with students from my age group, I tend to be either a bit or a lot more talkative. However, most of that is simply random, senseless babble used to fill in all the silence I would have if I only said things worth saying. I guess it's a faint attempt of trying to look sociable. Which is weird, as I'm anything but that. Or maybe I'm waiting that someone catches that one sentence that was actually soaked in intelligent content and fires back at it, thus telling me that my words have not been wasted.

However, my personal favorites would all be intelligent-centric discussions, whether it's mathematics, philosophy, physics, logic or any other such topic. If I happen to pick such a topic and discuss it, I usually end up storming, chaining one thing to another and completely dominating the discussion. That is not to be taken as an assumption that I'm exceptionally knowledgeable in those fields. If anything, I'm far from knowledgeable in some of them. For example, I've studied very little physics, yet I enjoy a discussion of theory behind a hypothetical devices capable of perpetual motion or a physics-centric explanation to teleportation.

On the other hand, during classes, I tend to be rather quiet, only saying a thing here and there, if I notice a connection between the topic the teacher is talking about and another that I've read about somewhere. Actually, once I was tempted to go and explain somethign on the blackboard. This something, was the obvious relation between asexuality and sociopaths. It was my answer to a question asked by one of the students. The question was whether asexual people can actually exist. So, I took the property of "asexuality" and the definition of "sociopath" and thus effectively proved that because sociopaths are known to exist, asexuals also exist. For some reason, the student didn't agree, but instead argued that just because we know bunnies exist doesn't mean that Easter Bunny exists. Well, no shit, Sherlock, you're trying to push it to the wrong direction! That is, Easter Bunny is always a bunny but not all bunnies are Easter Bunnies.

 

[Ermine]

Yeah, when I'm with my friends and we find something worth talking about, I'm very talkative. I'm just invisible to most people.

 

[Wisp]

...I look normal compared to my friends, and THAT, is truly weird.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

The expression is 'cart before the horse'.

Hang on, what has asexuality got to do with sociopathy? (which, again, is a word)

 

[Ermine]

Well, it all depends on what Olba means by "asexual". It could mean anything from not having sexual attraction to either gender, or that sex is a lesser priority than it is for most people.

Maybe he's just saying that a sociopath would be less interested in sex, but not all asexual people are sociopathic.

 

[Wisp]

Yeah, I think that's what he meant...

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Hmm, it's partly understandable. However I think in the case of sociopaths it's more likely that fetishes replace sex, so it's not asexual per se.

 

[Linsejko]

I GET IT!!!!?!!?!!!!

YOZUKI IS TALKING LIKE THAT "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US" GAME!?!!!!!

Holy.

Crap.

XDXDXDXDXDX?>D!?!D!D M

.L