Are SFJs bad at typing?

[lookslikeiwin]

I get along really well with SFJs, but they seem to be really really bad at typing. Anyone else find this to be generally true?

 

[lookslikeiwin]

I guess I should add some examples.

I had already noticed that it seems like INs seem the best at typing, but this particularly is what drove me to write a post about it lol.

An ISFJ girl is convinced that Elsa from Frozen is an ISTJ and that Belle from Beauty and the Beast is an ExFJ.

I don't see these at all. Belle so clearly uses Si and Fi. Her virtuous goals aren't socially oriented (Fe), but personal (Fi). She is very obviously an N, living her life inside of her head and ideas. She doesn't feel like she fits in, which seems pretty INxx in general, but her supposed strangeness level and relationship with her father (NTP, obviously) seems really INxP to me. The way she communicates seems so very Fi/Te. I'm not sure how to describe Si, so I don't know how to put down any evidence, but... she seems very Si to me. Furthermore, FJs are usually emotionally removed from my experience. You never find out how they feel or what they're dealing with until after the fact. Belle is always very clear about what she's dealing with and how she feels.

Meanwhile, Elsa... lol. I don't really feel like making a case for this one, but she seems pretty obviously like an N to me as well, and not Ne. I don't really see any signs of Ne on her, or Si. She's been told all her life not to feel, so naturally her Fe tries to conform to the desires of her parents and the people she cares about, getting her stuck in an Ni-Ti loop. Her stylistic choices seem rather Ni/Se to me (the single, uniform idea when she designs her ice palace). She shows no signs of Te, except maybe when she denies her sister the option to marry a stranger, but even that kinda had to be weaseled out of her. I could potentially see someone arguing for INTJ, but I think INFJ is more likely, personally. Either way, I*S*TJ seems way off the mark.

I've seen a few others that I don't recall the specifics on. Curious if anyone else had similar experiences, or if me and my other INTP friend are just of a different opinion than everyone else.

 

[Jennywocky]

Bad typing can cut across any personality type, from what I've seen online.

That bring said, the kind of pattern recognition involved in typing can be more difficult for those who just focus on a subset of concrete details. I'm more in agreement with your typing here although I think Belle and Elsa are the same type based on how they organize and position themselves to external reality. Both also enjoy and seek closure.

 

[Architect]

SFJ's are little interested in MBTI in my experience, and so by extension would not be expected to be good at typing. I only know one who is into it, just enough to understand her family. Another ISFJ actively dislikes it, not wanting to be "boxed in". Of course she's the most stereotypical of the type.

IN's are the most interested in it, again in my experience, and so by extension would be generally the best. Being MBTI certified is the best way to learn how.

Bad typing can cut across any personality type, from what I've seen online.

Typing online people is extremely difficult. MBTI practitioners use a test and other means to type someone, but at least have to talk to them in person. I'd expect that at least 50% of online typing is wrong, and 75%+ of celebrity typing is wrong.

 

[TheManBeyond]

My sister is an SJ and he gets literally angry with me when i try to explain the basic concepts of cognitive functions. When i ask her what is what bothers her about it, i can't get anything but that's pure bullshit, you're wasting your time, etc.
She sporadically pays some attention but is like she's forcing herself to listen so i lose my interest in explaining further, so what i do to catch her attention if the situation appears, is to go like: you have the same personality type as Emma Watson (she's a fan) and we talk a bit on it, why they are similar and stuff.
In my circle of people there is almost 0 knowlegde of typology so you only get very brief conversations about the results of the tests, usually some people start listening to you, but after some time they think it is too weird for them.

 

[Architect]

My sister is an SJ and he gets literally angry with me when i try to explain the basic concepts of cognitive functions.

Yeah sounds right. I knew an ESTJ once who got tired of me talking about it. Instead of having the balls to discuss it with me, he told another friend (ESFP) to go and tell me to stop talking about it.

I know we IN's run a lot of "sensor hate" on these boards, but you know, I'm getting really, really tired of Sensors.

 

[Jennywocky]

SFJ's are little interested in MBTI in my experience, and so by extension would not be expected to be good at typing. I only know one who is into it, just enough to understand her family. Another ISFJ actively dislikes it, not wanting to be "boxed in". Of course she's the most stereotypical of the type.

The lack of interest (it's a low/non-priority in terms of understanding and engaging people) is a good point.

Typing online people is extremely difficult. MBTI practitioners use a test and other means to type someone, but at least have to talk to them in person. I'd expect that at least 50% of online typing is wrong, and 75%+ of celebrity typing is wrong.

Yup. Typically you're just getting a facet of someone online, in a particular environment; and I think cherry-picker typists are even more prone to be off because they're not triangulating data. I'll occasionally make a comment about someone or something's type, but don't typically participate in "type so and so" discussions.

 

[Architect]

The lack of interest (it's a low/non-priority in terms of understanding and engaging people) is a good point.

I've never really thought about the low interest. Hmmm .... OK I guess it makes sense even from a typological standpoint.

• S dominants are generally less interested in theory compared to N dominants. In this case they see people as a concrete reality in front of them, why feel the need to abstract that reality?
• S determines its views from objective reality. So the S type looks around, sees a lot of other S types, and probably feels that these S characteristics are normal and right, and that N is an aberration due to it's rarity. Or simply a choice, "why not play along with the rest of us" is a common response. So they certainly wouldn't be interested in a theory that said these differences are valid and real.
• With an intuitive inferior the S dominants probably have a nagging feeling that they are unique, even though they strive to be "normal" and not unusual in regular life. So a theory which points out commonalities might be distasteful to them.

Of course these all sum together to a great irony. S types act the most like each other because that's what they desire, yet they resist any attempts to theorize on those commonalities.

 

[lookslikeiwin]

Yeah, they do seem to be pretty disinterested, but the ones that do get into it seem to enjoy trying to type characters from movies and TV shows. I feel like its a little easier for INxxs to type because we are more able to observe and then put the pieces together. INTPs don't make a lot of lists, but I can agree with several of their choices, generally. INTJs seem to be pretty good too. I mean, I don't always agree, but I can find good arguments that aren't entirely based off of a type's stereotype.
Actually its funny because this girl also tried to say, "You probably just related to her enneagram 1." I've been trying to figure out where she pulled that from, because I am a 5.

I'm more in agreement with your typing here although I think Belle and Elsa are the same type based on how they organize and position themselves to external reality. Both also enjoy and seek closure.

I feel like Elsa deals with her problems differently than Belle - Belle seems to face them head-on and be brave about it (Te?), whereas Elsa bottles everything up and runs away from her problems (seems to be an Fe thing). But they do seem very similar. In the least, both appear to be INxxs to me, and all INxxs have various things in common.

 

[Analyzer]

I know we IN's run a lot of "sensor hate" on these boards, but you know, I'm getting really, really tired of Sensors.

Time to declare war! No, but intuitives IN's in particularly need to figure out ways to either ignore or not get effected by their actions. Also a lot of their actions result in certain things that we end up going along with out of necessity. I guess a lot of ideas in the world come from N's, but seems like over time the sensors dilute them or make them redundant. We just need to be comfortable in our niche whatever that may be.

 

[OrLevitate]

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