An entire personality type must disappear - which one should it be?

[Duxwing]

Voted INTPs.

When it comes right down to it, our perceived strengths are pretty damned useless, not to mention that we're already apparently in the vast minority vs. other types.

Also, I'm into self-sacrifice.

Our strengths are in organizing ideas into logical structures; without that, the whole world would implode into madness as the INTJ's and ISTP's try to pick up the slack but can't because they're too practical and too concrete, respectively. I admire the other types' abilities: I couldn't stand being a practical, institutional thinker or a craftsman, but the world needs us to keep very, very fundamental ideas straight and organize thought into systems, like Architect does in CS. In short: no INTPs, no logic. No logic, no world.

-Duxwing

 

[Montresor]

And I agree that they will. But to then conclude "INFJ>INTP" is to judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree.

From now on, I only judge anybody by their ability to climb a tree. Including you, and your beloved ESTJs.

Homophobic slurs!? How dare you accuse me ... oh right. That's, exactly what I did there. Sorry that's my autopilot talking.

 

[own8ge]

I need all of my body and consciousness just to process the hate I have for Duxwing.
Even saying the name in my mind makes me boil with anger.

-I'm merely being honest. Which shall be appreciated, right?

 

[Chad]

I need all of my body and consciousness just to process the hate I have for Duxwing.
Even saying the name in my mind makes me boil with anger.

-I'm merely being honest. Which shall be appreciated, right?

This made my day. Since both you and duxwing suffer form the same enthusiasm. Duxwing thoughts on the other hand fits better into the majority opinion of this site. Therefore he is only trouble for those in the minority that he disagrees with. You on the other hand disagree with just about everyone on principle. Therefore you enthusiasm is more wildly felt on this forum site.

I have no problem with any of you as you stat your mind and that fair. I feel I can relate to your enthusiasm from my teenage years. I have grown since then I believe myself to be wiser now then I was then.

So, this is still a lot of hope for both of you. With age most people lose their youthful enthusiasm but gain wisdom.

 

[own8ge]

@Chad
You are not an INTP. You are clearly a Pi dom? -.-

Am I the only person whom senses this?

 

[C.Hecker88]

Voted INTPs.

When it comes right down to it, our perceived strengths are pretty damned useless, not to mention that we're already apparently in the vast minority vs. other types.

Also, I'm into self-sacrifice.

I voted due to this as well. I also have ulterior motives.

 

[Montresor]

This made my day. Since both you and duxwing suffer form the same enthusiasm. Duxwing thoughts on the other hand fits better into the majority opinion of this site. Therefore he is only trouble for those in the minority that he disagrees with. You on the other hand disagree with just about everyone on principle. Therefore you enthusiasm is more wildly felt on this forum site.

I have no problem with any of you as you stat your mind and that fair. I feel I can relate to your enthusiasm from my teenage years. I have grown since then I believe myself to be wiser now then I was then.

So, this is still a lot of hope for both of you. With age most people lose their youthful enthusiasm but gain wisdom.

This is an excellent observation, Chad, you seriously have the capacity to amaze me sometimes, although I don't make a habit of saying so.

Along these lines, I'm surprised that INTPs choose the tactic of "ignore them and they'll go away" when it comes to people who rock the boat. One thing to consider is that, what, 80% of the active membership only seems to read threads?

Although, the last sentence in your post gives you away again.

 

[Duxwing]

From now on, I only judge anybody by their ability to climb a tree. Including you, and your beloved ESTJs.

I never said that I loved ESTJs; I was only pointing out that removing them, as you suggested, would have disastrous effects upon society.

Homophobic slurs!? How dare you accuse me ... oh right. That's, exactly what I did there. Sorry that's my autopilot talking.

It's all good.

-Duxwing

 

[Duxwing]

This made my day. Since both you and duxwing suffer form the same enthusiasm.

"Suffer"? How am I "suffering"?

Duxwing thoughts on the other hand fits better into the majority opinion of this site. Therefore he is only trouble for those in the minority that he disagrees with.

Woah, back up there, buddy. Disagreeing and debating is making "trouble"? Need I remind you that we are in a forum almost entirely devoted to discourse?

You on the other hand disagree with just about everyone on principle. Therefore you enthusiasm is more wildly felt on this forum site.

Not addressed to me, not replying.

I have no problem with any of you as you stat your mind and that fair. I feel I can relate to your enthusiasm from my teenage years. I have grown since then I believe myself to be wiser now then I was then. So, this is still a lot of hope for both of you.

Don't put yourself on a pedestal, Chad.

-Duxwing

 

[Brontosaurie]

ISTJ is kinda bland

 

[Duxwing]

I need all of my body and consciousness just to process the hate I have for Duxwing.
Even saying the name in my mind makes me boil with anger.

-I'm merely being honest. Which shall be appreciated, right?

I'm not swallowing this flame-bait.

-Duxwing

 

[wonkavision]

Ok, I'm assuming this is just for fun and not serious type-bashing.

That's why I like this forum...The playful meanness/distinct un-PCness is really refreshing at times.

And on that note....

I voted for ESFP because, overall, they seem to be the least useful of all the types.

All the others seem to provide a necessary function, but ESFPs are kind of frivolous. Entertaining and fun? Maybe, but not good enough.

Goodbye ESFPs.

Wonkavision has spoken.

 

[Montresor]

Can I vote again please? I would desperately like to wipe out the ESTJ. They can't climb trees.

 

[Duxwing]

Ok, I'm assuming this is just for fun and not serious type-bashing.

That's why I like this forum...The playful meanness/distinct un-PCness is really refreshing at times.

And on that note....

I voted for ESFP because, overall, they seem to be the least useful of all the types.

All the others seem to provide a necessary function, but ESFPs are kind of frivolous. Entertaining and fun? Maybe, but not good enough.

Goodbye ESFPs.

Wonkavision has spoken.

Hmm, interesting. But what happens when no-one's entertaining us?

-Duxwing

 

[Duxwing]

ISTJ is kinda bland

They're boring, but practical.

-Duxwing

 

[wonkavision]

Hmm, interesting. But what happens when no-one's entertaining us?

-Duxwing

Personally, I don't really find the "entertainment" ESFPs provide all that entertaining.

I guess all the people that do will just have to suffer.

 

[Duxwing]

Personally, I don't really find the "entertainment" ESFPs provide all that entertaining.

I guess all the people that do will just have to suffer.

How many are they? I mean, what if the only thing keeping our XSXJ's going is those wacky ESFPs? They might not be, but data is of the utmost importance in making such a decision.

-Duxwing

 

[wonkavision]

How many are they? I mean, what if the only thing keeping our XSXJ's going is those wacky ESFPs? They might not be, but data is of the utmost importance in making such a decision.

-Duxwing

I don't know how many. some say theyre the majority.

in any case, SJs are useful, but if the demise of ESFPs leads to the demise of SJs, then so be it.

they'd be the next on my list anyway.

 

[Duxwing]

I don't know how many. some say theyre the majority.

in any case, SJs are useful, but if the demise of ESFPs leads to the demise of SJs, then so be it.

they'd be the next on my list anyway.

No SJ, no... everything. No police, no firefighters, no doctors, no soldiers, no politicians, everything gone in a flash. Yikes!

-Duxwing

 

[wonkavision]

No SJ, no... everything. No police, no firefighters, no doctors, no soldiers, no politicians, everything gone in a flash. Yikes!

-Duxwing

part of me says "yikes, that would be scary" but another part of me says" good riddance."

 

[Chad]

"Suffer"? How am I "suffering"?



Woah, back up there, buddy. Disagreeing and debating is making "trouble"? Need I remind you that we are in a forum almost entirely devoted to discourse?



Not addressed to me, not replying.



Don't put yourself on a pedestal, Chad.

-Duxwing

Suffering is just a turn 0f phrase in this context it simply means you are advancing threw life and currently in the Juvenile Enthusiasm phase of life. This has both negitives and positives associated with it but over all its just a passing phase of life then nearly every goes through. Therefore there is no need to take offense to it. I even mentioned that I went through the same phase when I was younger. It completely natural especially for males.

You read way to much into my words. really trouble in this context simply means you Enthusiastically argue your point to execution especially when you disagree with someone. You believe that you understand what is logical and if anyone disagrees with you they are wrong. Really this just comes naturally with this stage of life but it can be frustrating if your expecting someone to be more understanding in an argument. I personally don't care I don't mind debating with anyone however, most people are not fond on this type of interaction. I.E it causes trouble for them.

For the most part you agree with the typical INtP understanding of things. Therefore you cause much less of a fuss then Own8ge who disagrees with everything anyone says. I personally can see you point of view better then Own8ge as well. I think the only thing that I seriously had to argue with you about it religion and I just decided that its not long worth arguing with you after this point.

I don't put my self on a pedestal I was you just 10 years ago. Everyone grow and so will you and Own8ng.

You both seem to discredit the wisdom that come form age and experience but that also common for anyone your age. Its really not and insult you thinking is very advanced for your age so is Own8ng. However you both still have some life experience you need to go through to before you will gain the wisdom of age. You both are smart but wisdom is the next level and you will both get there I am sure.

 

[Solitaire U.]

Ok, I'm assuming this is just for fun and not serious type-bashing.

We're totally serious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBkT19uH2RQ

 

[Duxwing]

Suffering is just a turn 0f phrase in this context it simply means you are advancing threw life and currently in the Juvenile Enthusiasm phase of life. This has both negitives and positives associated with it but over all its just a passing phase of life then nearly every goes through. Therefore there is no need to take offense to it. I even mentioned that I went through the same phase when I was younger. It completely natural especially for males.

Let's see if you're not just on the lower end of the enthusiasm scale:

@Architect Do you feel any less enthusiastic than you did when you were younger, the ravages (for lack of a better word) of age not withstanding?

You read way to much into my words. really trouble in this context simply means you Enthusiastically argue your point to execution especially when you disagree with someone. You believe that you understand what is logical and if anyone disagrees with you they are wrong.

And am I necessarily wrong in thinking that I understand reason? Let's do a test...

P->Q
P
Therefore Q

P->Q
Q
No conclusion

P->Q
-P
No conclusion

P->Q
-Q
Therefore -P

Anything wrong, here?

Really this just comes naturally with this stage of life but it can be frustrating if your expecting someone to be more understanding in an argument. I personally don't care I don't mind debating with anyone however, most people are not fond on this type of interaction. I.E it causes trouble for them.

It only causes them trouble if they can't rebut me.

For the most part you agree with the typical INtP understanding of things. Therefore you cause much less of a fuss then Own8ge who disagrees with everything anyone says. I personally can see you point of view better then Own8ge as well. I think the only thing that I seriously had to argue with you about it religion and I just decided that its not long worth arguing with you after this point.

It wasn't an argument. It was a curb stomp battle, and Jenny had to pull me off you.

I don't put my self on a pedestal I was you just 10 years ago. Everyone grow and so will you and Own8ng.

By saying that we will "grow" you are necessarily stating that we are somehow defective.

You both seem to discredit the wisdom that come form age and experience but that also common for anyone your age.

I only discredit wisdom that comes from age if the person stating the alleged wisdom doesn't substantiate their argument with anything more than "I'm older, and therefore wiser, and therefore right." Even if they are older and wiser, how else am I supposed to know if their argument is wisdom or bunk but by submitting it to skeptical review?

Its really not and insult you thinking is very advanced for your age so is Own8ng. However you both still have some life experience you need to go through to before you will gain the wisdom of age. You both are smart but wisdom is the next level and you will both get there I am sure.

A single person's life doth not necessarily a representative sample make, so I won't rely on my "experience" unless I can prove that it represents reality.

-Duxwing

 

[Architect]

Architect Do you feel any less enthusiastic than you did when you were younger, the ravages (for lack of a better word) of age not withstanding?

@Duxwing

Not sure the context you're asking exactly, but assuming you just mean general enthusiasm for life and things ... yes you definitely lose enthusiasm as you get older. I think for different reasons, for me it's due to "been there done that". I've traveled the world, so it's much less exciting. Making a lot of money used to give me a bang (it still does occasionally). Buying stuff is basically meaningless anymore. Meeting new people, meh, I've met enough. Foods, sights, smells, adventures ... I'm not world weary, but world experienced.

On the plus side that is tempered by a lot of other advantages, yes wisdom, experience, perspective. However it answers a question I used to have which is "why do famous people (musicians, actors) still work?" These people can obviously retire rich so why continue? What it comes down to is that one of the few things that can still give you a bang is Work. This is why I'm so focused on computing, since I've explored the outer world so much I'm now exploring the 'inner' and trying to do or discover something new.

 

[Duxwing]

@Duxwing

Not sure the context you're asking exactly, but assuming you just mean general enthusiasm for life and things ... yes you definitely lose enthusiasm as you get older. I think for different reasons, for me it's due to "been there done that". I've traveled the world, so it's much less exciting. Making a lot of money used to give me a bang (it still does occasionally). Buying stuff is basically meaningless anymore. Meeting new people, meh, I've met enough. Foods, sights, smells, adventures ... I'm not world weary, but world experienced.

On the plus side that is tempered by a lot of other advantages, yes wisdom, experience, perspective. However it answers a question I used to have which is "why do famous people (musicians, actors) still work?" These people can obviously retire rich so why continue? What it comes down to is that one of the few things that can still give you a bang is Work. This is why I'm so focused on computing, since I've explored the outer world so much I'm now exploring the 'inner' and trying to do or discover something new.

So, does enthusiasm approach zero as time approaches infinity?

-Duxwing

 

[Architect]

So, does enthusiasm approach zero as time approaches infinity?

-Duxwing

Get back to me on that.

 

[Duxwing]

Get back to me on that.

Hehehe!

-Duxwing

 

[BloodCountess88]

ESFJ's absolutely. Nothing personal against them, my husband's best friend's wife is one and I presume my friend's mother is one too.

They tend to be too structured and suffocating, have too strong of "right and wrong" sense to the point were it can be extremely hard to get along with. And I am saying this as an INTP, we are generally very easy to get along people.

Bonus points: Zombie apocalypse. World as we know it is gone. ESFJ's cling to history and feelings of acceptance, need structure and control. Feeling insecure in such state of chaos, get either extremely depress and kill themselves or try to create some sort of control environment, a clan, which later on backfires when they meticulous plan fails and the zombies get to them.

Anyone care to elaborate more?

 

[Montresor]

They tend to be too structured and suffocating, have too strong of "right and wrong" sense to the point were it can be extremely hard to get along with.

ESFJ's cling to history and feelings of acceptance, need structure and control. Feeling insecure in such state of chaos, get either extremely depress and kill themselves or try to create some sort of control environment

Somehow I don't think you're talking about Fe-dominance.

I believe you mean ESTJ in this instance.

 

[Ink]

ISTJ is kinda bland

Not compared to ISTP

 

[QuickTwist]

@Duxwing It is ideal if you become less impulsive over time as well.

Oh yeah, and It would probable be a good idea for you to not say you have overcome existential despair. You have not experienced nearly enough of life to be a judge of that, unless of course you have gone through some pretty steep trials thus far.

(^_^)V

 

[Brontosaurie]

Not compared to ISTP

ISTP are masters of reality

 

[Montresor]

@Duxwing It is ideal if you become less impulsive over time as well.

Oh yeah, and It would probable be a good idea for you to not say you have overcome existential despair. You have not experienced nearly enough of life to be a judge of that, unless of course you have gone through some pretty steep trials thus far.

(^_^)V

YOU. I've been trying to ignore this, but I have to point it out. You sound so common.

Doling out advice on life from a purely SJ perspective.

I'm referring to the other thread where you said something like "you're probably INTP because you're posting here, 'nuff said".

Do you analyze anything? Anything at all?

 

[QuickTwist]

No, YOU DON"T know me, quit acting like it.

I say things from a big picture point of view so you are misinformed. I am percice in my sayings and gereraly give umbrella type satements that can be applied to many different things. You are the one who is not analyzing things propery.

Get off everyones nuts. There is no hierarchy.

 

[Montresor]

I say things from a big picture point of view so you are misinformed. I am percice in my sayings and gereraly give umbrella type satements that can be applied to many different things.

Pure irony here. con-tra-dict-ion

Go ahead and try again if you want. I thrive on this kind of shit.

 

[QuickTwist]

No, YOU DON"T know me, quit acting like it.



Get off everyones nuts. There is no hierarchy.

I noticed you didn't argue against my point and conclusion. Does this mean you agree with these statements or simply that you felt it was too much work to address them?

Pure irony here. con-tra-dict-ion

Go ahead and try again if you want. I thrive on this kind of shit.

I am not wrong. Its one of the advantages in the way I do things. I'm sure you do "thrive on this kind of shit", which is why you are probably unhappy. Your a wast of my time.

 

[Analyzer]

you seem like an istp

 

[QuickTwist]

The evidence seems to pove otherwise. If I am anything besides and INTP it is an INTJ. Appreciate your concern though... LOL

 

[Analyzer]

The evidence seems to pove otherwise. If I am anything besides and INTP it is an INTJ. Appreciate your concern though... LOL

what about entp

 

[Ink]

Quicktwist, your blank stare just screams ISTP to me... of course it's only a picture but you very much sound like an ISTP to me (I grew up with 3 of them, I have experience of them)

 

[Montresor]

I noticed you didn't argue against my point and conclusion. Does this mean you agree with these statements or simply that you felt it was too much work to address them?

I felt it was too much work to address them.



I am not wrong. About what? Its one of the advantages in the way I do things. Yup, I'll stand behind what I said before. I'm sure you do "thrive on this kind of shit", when it's original which is why you are probably unhappy. Your a wast of my time.

Right then, you want me to elaborate on what I said, so you can understand it better.

@Duxwing It is ideal Te if you become less impulsive over time as well. This is something I've noticed among ESTJs, which is why I continue to promote their annihilation. You're providing life advice with nothing to back it up. You're readily taking the role of the elder and the wiser. You expect people to drink your words and sip them slowly because you make these claims about yourself. Anybody who defies you is wrong. Anybody who sees something a different way is wrong; they must be, because "you are right".

Oh yeah, <--oh yeah, as if you have more valuable advice to give and It would probable be a good idea for you to not say you have overcome existential despair. Do you know what that even is? You have not experienced nearly enough of life Same old SJ bs to be a judge of that, unless of course you have gone through some pretty steep trials thus far.

(^_^)V

No, YOU DON"T know me, quit acting like it Expulsive.

I say things from a big picture point of view so you are misinformed <I can not understand the logic behind this statement.. I am percice in my sayings this time I WILL point it out - this is a playful little stab at your misspelling of the word precise, because it defies the principles of precision. I can not believe you needed me to explain that, I thought it was best left unsaid. and gereraly give umbrella type satements that can be applied to many different things Umbrella-type statements that apply to many different things are basically the opposite of precision. You are the one who is not analyzing things propery.

Get off everyones nuts. There is no hierarchy. OK so you have a point here.

The evidence seems to pove otherwise. If I am anything besides and INTP it is an INTJ. Appreciate your concern though... LOL oh yeah if you're not one you're the other. Either TiNe or NiTe but can't seem to tell the difference.... LOL

The part that I thrive on is looking for the errors and inconsistencies that you keep feeding me. I'm not trolling you guy.

 

[QuickTwist]

Your just pushing harder and I'm not interested. Good grief, now I am spelling things out for you, we're even. Let it die.

 

[Brontosaurie]

I am percice in my sayings and gereraly give umbrella type satements that can be applied to many different things.

this contradiction gives me clear impression of SJ with NP self-image.

you've got this fuzzy concept of "being intelligent" and you try to make it more elaborate and less obviously judgmental by coating it in adjectives you associate with intelligence, chosen to give an analytical impression.

of course precision is not the very opposite of generality (specificity is) but in this case you're pretty much stating that you're making your reference clear by not making it clear.

 

[Ink]

No, YOU DON"T know me, quit acting like it.

Se-Fe outburst... Seriously though, the more I read your posts the more you seem like an ISTP, why don't you think you are one? The description doesn't sound intelligent enough for you?

 

[thekatspajamas]

None! I love learning about/experiencing a variety of people, even if they can be abrasive or uncomfortable for me to talk to. My husband is an ISFJ (who has tested before as an ESFJ), so I even have a soft spot for our opposite types

 

[QuickTwist]

I have probably done ~25 different Myers Brigs tests both professionally done and others and none, none of them have said I am an S, so I am suprised to see that so many of you think I am an S.

Since all you guys can't agree which type I am what makes you all think you are right? Obviously the real issue is that you don't want me on this forum and I honestly wonder why.

 

[Ink]

I didn't say I disliked you, I just observed that you come from a concrete-into-abstract viewpoint instead of vice versa.

 

[QuickTwist]

"Ink
in every single way"

How is this not the same thing as what you are saying of me?

 

[Duxwing]

@Duxwing It is ideal if you become less impulsive over time as well.

Oh yeah, and It would probable be a good idea for you to not say you have overcome existential despair. You have not experienced nearly enough of life to be a judge of that, unless of course you have gone through some pretty steep trials thus far.

(^_^)V

Are you calling me a liar?

-Duxwing

 

[Ink]

"Ink
in every single way"

How is this not the same thing as what you are saying of me?

How is what what?