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American Psycho (possible spoiler)

Beat Mango

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Is anyone able to make sense of this movie? What is it trying to say, what statement is it trying to make? I've got my theories but I'd be interested to see what other people think and discuss it from there. Some questions:

- Why didn't he kill his secretary? Or Luis the gay guy in the bathroom?
- What was with the ending?? It hardly seemed plausible, obviously deliberately so but why?
- Is the psychotic character a means of displaying the absurdity of capitalism and materialism?

Btw I'd turn gay for Christian Bale - so intense, so masculine, so in control :cool:
 

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I haven't seen the movie but I've read the book. I read it 16 years ago (holy crap) so it's not exactly fresh in my mind, but I can tell you no book has freaked me out and grossed me out as much as that book. I read it straight through, so it was about five or six hours of solid madness.

So what I am saying is maybe you should read the book if you're looking for answers. Books tend to reveal a bit more than the film adaptations.

By the by, I too would turn gay for Christian Bale. Fortunately, I don't have to. (Regardless, it's a moot point.)
 

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I've heard the film is very tame in comparison to the book. If they were truthful to the book it would be banned by every film board and people would be vomiting all over the theater seats. Also keep in mind I was a 19 yr old girl when I read it. Crime and Punishment is disturbing in a different way- not to mention one of the best books ever written. You can't exactly compare AP to it.
 

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Disturbing in a different way, yeah that's what I meant. It's very "real" and really gets inside the head of the killer.

I did read one small part of the AP book for creative writing class at uni - the scene where he's describing his morning routine, different facial creams and all that. Actually I'd wanted to read the book ever since then but here I am a few years later settling for the movie. Probably a good thing as I get disturbed somewhat easily (I found A Beautiful Mind disturbing :/ )
 

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I get disturbed pretty easily, too. I think it has to do with having an active mind and an active imagination. A strange-sounding whisper in a commercial led to many sleepless nights as a child. But yes, I would recommend reading AP. Although I will never do it again. Funny, I read The Fountainhead that same summer, which was one of the most disturbing books to me in an entirely different way- it bugged the living shit out of me. I wanted to be the protagonist in AP and enter that story and cut up everyone into teeny pieces before I met some old friends for dinner. And then I read Atlas Shrugged.... But maybe you like Ayn Rand, and I'm careening off topic.
 

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Is anyone able to make sense of this movie? What is it trying to say, what statement is it trying to make? I've got my theories but I'd be interested to see what other people think and discuss it from there. Some questions:

- Why didn't he kill his secretary? Or Luis the gay guy in the bathroom?

The movie is very satirical and biting of the corporate American lifestyle and the yuppie culture that was around at the time. It exposes how false and shallow that culture can be, and does so through the perspective of a disturbed person. It also brings up an interesting contrast; is Bale the insane one or are all the people who mindlessly follow that culture? I think the author wanted to explore that culture and corporate America through the eyes of an (insane?) person to show how insane and messed up the system is. I think he wanted to show how messed up a person can be by trying to follow that elitist circle, and how lonely it is at the top (for people who are very thoughtful and want to do the right thing!)

I think his secretary was one of the few women in his life that he could not 'kill'. My impression of her was one of the things that anchors him to the 'real' world, and he could not break from reality. I think she represents what a normal, real alternative to the life that Bale lives in currently. She is an escape from the darkness inside him, and the possibility of redemption. I don't think he could kill her.

I think he did not kill Luis because he mistook who Luis was. Once he learned that Luis was gay, he could no longer place him in the category of all the others who he was mindlessly having competition with. Luis was an outside force that repulsed his worldviews about corporate life (which he seemed to hate to a certain extent). It also broke him from the mindless cycle that his group of friends seem to be drowning in; towards the end of the movie, we see him questioning this surreal lifestyle and his place in it. He seems to want to get out, but does not know how. He releases his frustration in his violent acts and imagination, but does not truly feel free.

- What was with the ending?? It hardly seemed plausible, obviously deliberately so but why?

The ending presents an interesting question: did those events really happen or did he just dream all of it up? Is he already a psychotic serial killer or was the entire movie about the dreams of a madman (who may very well go on to kill)? It presents a very interesting turn of events on what his perceived reality and the actual reality; what truly is 'real' in that movie?

I think the whole point of the sign was to state how there doesn't seem to be any escape from psychosis: how can you mentally solve the problem when your mind itself is the problem? That was one of the things that struck me after I had watched the movie. You could also go on to say that he agrees with the sign at the end of the movie; there is no escape from those thoughts/memories, so he will live them out in his (altered state of reality) world.

- Is the psychotic character a means of displaying the absurdity of capitalism and materialism?

Btw I'd turn gay for Christian Bale - so intense, so masculine, so in control :cool:

I think his character shows us the absurdity of modern life, and shows the dark side of capitalism, materialism, and the yuppie culture. The fact that very few people in the movie seemed to be thinking critically also stood out to me. While it is a disturbing movie, I think that Bale was great in it. After watching that movie, I'm not sure I would *ever* want to be a part of corporate America.
 
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