Originally Posted by Cavallier
It is difficult to identify proselytizing as trolling at times. It's a bit like the perfect crime if it's surrounded in a casing of Debate. Even when you know as an Admin/Mod it's proselytizing and you know it's insidiously bringing down the quality of the forum there are always groups of members who still vehemently argue for not banning the member. They like a good debate.
Then you have to make a choice: Ban for the greater good knowing that certain members WILL cause a fuss for the sake of someone who they hated yet can't stand not having around. OR, do you Not Ban for the greater good in an attempt at keeping the rabble from causing a mess?
Really, I just wait for the tide to turn.
I think one runs into trouble trying to decide the "greater good" for others. "Greater good" is rather subjective. But it makes sense to have a "P"-type rather than a "J"-type in charge, or at least one or two out of a triumvirate ruling party so that alternative possibilities can be proposed. "J-types" are susceptible to narrow-minded thinking. I know I'm hereby invoking Godwin's Law
, But I'm sure Hitler also truly believed he was acting in the "greater good" of humanity. So do all dictators and politicians. The term should not be tossed around too liberally as you can use "greater good" to justify any action.
Originally Posted by Cognisant
Proselytization itself is not the problem, it's proselytization trolling that's the problem because it is proselytizing continuously and beyond reason, a ceaseless unwavering attack that nobody who actually intends proselytize legitimately would do. For example every now and then someone will state Pascal's wager, it will be refuted and the person who stated it will accept that it has been refuted, so they won't bring it up again, but a proselytization troll does not listen to reason and will bring it up again and again and again.
C'mon we all know who I'm talking about, has anyone ever been able to convince Da Blob of anything, seriously go look up his posting history, it's the same stuff he has always said and it is the same stuff he will always say and in every thread he enters he will make his agenda the focus of discussion. Heck I've posted in threads where people have ignored him or let him have his sideshow with another poster while they separately discussed the actual topic because that was the only way to stay on the actual topic.
Look I have my pet agenda too, c'mon you all know what it is, but do I make it the focus of every single fucking discussion I'm in, do I preach the singularity, do I proselytize people through private messaging until they stop replying and/or ignore me altogether?
I said it before and I'll say it again, Da Blob is as convincing as the Westboro Baptists, that is to say not at all, well he is perhaps more insidious than them in that he's constantly looking for a new approach and knows when to play innocent, which doesn't work if you go back and read his earlier posts and see that he's changing the meaning of his words, I digress, my point is he's not posting, he's not even really preaching, he's trolling.
If people want to keep him so bad, fine, throw him in the oubliette, it won't make an iota of difference as far as constructive contributions are concerned and people can use him as a grindstone for their wit to their heart's content.
Maybe "the problem" lies in understanding the purpose and intent behind an internet forum in general.
Have you considered that it's unlikely we're going to come up with any new discoveries. Nor is it likely that any discussion here will provide some miraculous insight like when Einstein first revealed E=MC^2.
It's my opinion (of course) that the function of internet forums are more SOCIAL than INFORMATIONAL. If you really wanted to know the meaning or definition of something, that's what Google and Wikipedia is for.
If we're being honest, we all just crave attention in some form or fashion-- and this materializes for some by interacting with people online, on internet forums.
There are some things I don't understand, why girls go to clubs just to dance (as opposed to getting laid), why girls spend $700+ on leather bags just to hold their makeup when a plastic grocery bag suffices... and many more things about the opposite sex...
There are some things you don't understand, forum "trolling" I guess being one of them.
But just because I don't think it's necessary for girls to be "wasting" their money on expensive cowhides to tote their cosmetics, and although I find it annoying, I'm not going to make laws banishing the behavior. I try as best I can to understand their motivations, even if I cannot relate.
In the same way, I think it would expand your horizons to try and understand [MENTION=940]Da Blob[/MENTION]'s motivations, and what his "trolling" behavior might serve to benefit his life.
What I'm suggesting is that maybe this is just his way of socializing, as a girl would go to a club just to socialize with her friends?
Anyways, this is just my free-write, as I don't really care too much what happens nor do I really have an overall point to this message.
I am somewhat sensitive to the liberal use of the word "troll" and "trolling," because similar to "porn" and "schizophrenia," when pressed for a definition, nobody can really come up with a definitive answer... and wikipedia does not count.