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Old 20th-February-2017, 07:36 PM   #51
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Why trust or dogmatically say it's true? Why not assume without that. If I assume x, y is true. Assumptions are useful but why do you need trust or faith in them? If something is unknown/unknownable I leave it unknown and use assumptions instead.(Alternatively some would call it a form of radical skepticism).
To a person that believes, the assumptions are not unknown. You don't have faith in assumptions you have faith in what is absolute truth. Logically what is not truth is just an assumption. And logically if something is true you can defend it logically. If something is not true can it be defended logically? You need base your claims on evidence or sound reasoning. If people do not all have the same information then personal experience may be discounted as real evidence if it is not your personal experience. What you personally don't know can only be seen as an assumption on your part. To the person that believes, they don't have assumptions, they have the truth. So even if they are wrong, as long as they can defend it, their mind cannot be changed.

Wrong Epistemology is the reason you can defend an untruth as truth with logic.
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Old 20th-February-2017, 07:49 PM   #52
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Right, which is partly why I find radical skepticism(or some form of) appealing. It denies all truth including the truth of its own statement denying all truth. Everything becomes assumptions based on perspective. You might not be right taking that view but you can(presumably) avoid being wrong.
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Old 20th-February-2017, 07:57 PM   #53
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Why trust or dogmatically say it's true? Why not assume without that. If I assume x, y is true. Assumptions are useful but why do you need trust or faith in them? If something is unknown/unknownable I leave it unknown and use assumptions instead.(Alternatively some would call it a form of radical skepticism).
Trusting in an assumption isn't necessarily thinking that it's true in any objective or even a collective subjective sense, at least at the individual level. My understanding of my assumption is probably distorted and would probably change with time. The thing about assuming though is that when you assume something and you then act based on it or embody it, you're essentially trusting that acting based on your assumption is appropriate enough in this situation. You're also trusting that not acting on other assumptions would not threaten your chances of survival, your self conception or whatever it is you value the most. For example, a soldier would think about defending his country and surviving but would not think about the risks of getting a rare form of skin cancer when he's at the front. Thus, there's an implicit trust/faith that the soldier has in that focusing his attention on the war rather than worrying about eating anti-oxidants to reduce cancer risk is the best thing to do. It's not that he will not get that rare form of skin cancer or that focusing on the war is the "right" or true assumption to have, but that the very action of embodying or focusing on defending the borders indicates that that soldier has trust or faith in it. The soldiers, thus, has a form of faith and trust (from his own subjective experience) in mother nature/ his god/ the abyss ...whatever one is to call it. If he perceives that the benefits outweigh the risks and acts based upon it, he has thus showed that he trusts or has faith in that his action is good enough from his prespective to act upon it in this context. The point isn't necessarily that the assumption is dogmatically true but that since many unknowns exist and since nothing is necessarily provable, the concept of faith might have originated from the relationship between the individual and the complex abyss of the totality and from the individual's attempt to comprehend it.
I'm not sure if that was a real reply for your question though ? Could you clarify if it isn't ?

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Old 20th-February-2017, 09:40 PM   #54
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I don't think punishing Europe and the descendants of Europe is any viable plan for making the Middle East a better place or making any other place better either.

Hand-wringing and self-loathing navel-gazing. No! We will overcome.
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Old 9th-March-2017, 06:25 PM   #56
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You should be afraid of Islam. Here is the logic:

The creed of Islam is there is no God but Allah and the prophet Muhammed is his messenger. Allah says that he will win in the end. The egalitarian people, the liberals, the wanna-be-naked people wants to be naked. But it is a fuitile goal. Because eaglity is like truce under the law, and under truce you have peace (you are naked) but you have anxiety. Being naked is being vulnerable. And man can't handle truce and peace at the same time without being afraid and blocked in the mind. He won't think clearly. The muslim people are and Allah are strategists and they will win the way although the will lose the battle (I chose to win this battle now). And EVERYONE have to become muslims before you are allowd to fearlessly be naked or do as you please if you want to cover yourself and have relationship with God.

Being introverted is having an internal world and shying away from nakedness in favour of Allah. Jung says extroversion and introversion is about nakedness and libido and sex. Freud says there are two forces behind human psyche, sex and agression. And muslims have an internal world which they build up everytime they pray more and more. Like meditation is good for you, prayer is good for us. For Allah. Being naked or trucy is being extroverted.

There are two camps, muslims and egalitarian. Submitting to Allah (with the internal world) makes a psychological block for only him and muslim shy activities. Like shaddow warrior. And aiming for truce induces a mentalizing person, whom as far as i know may be able to read minds like one soap opera i saw, where there were vampires whom were very strong (muslims) and mentalizers (naked egalitrian people) whom could read minds.

Chose you path. Demise for your progeny and your genes and yourself, or enjoy life and ...

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Old 10th-March-2017, 02:16 PM   #57
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You shouldn't be scared of things that you wish to oppose.

If you think Islam or religious fanaticism is wrong then; hatred, anger or calm are preferable emotions when facing the enemy.

Fear is generally the most submissive and irrational reaction to have.
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Invisible Gorilla your definition of faith equating to trust is obfuscation, indeed faith and trust are assumptions however trust is not without evidence. I trust my neighbors won't murder me in my sleep and I don't know this for sure however given what I do know I can say the likelihood of something like that occurring in my neighborhood is extremely low. Or to put it another way trust has to be earned and my trust in the lawfulness of my fellow citizens has been earned through years of experience, I know that such violence is rare because it rarely occurs.

Unlike assumptions faith is not even partially based on evidence, rather what defines faith is that it contradicts evidence, if someone has faith in something their assumption is in spite of the evidence, that's what having faith means.

Trust is conditional, based upon evidence.
Faith is unconditional, it's irrational.
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