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Old 28th-November-2016, 07:53 AM   #1
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The truth about reality is that reality is an illusion in itself. All that's left to say is that people accept the illusion as reality because they can't stand to see the deeper truth; that they're meaningless. Their life is pointless. Humans are to the universe as fleas are to dogs. A flea's life is pointless and pesky to the dog. Human life are pointless and pesky to the world.

Why do we place so much importance in things that don't even matter?
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Old 28th-November-2016, 08:15 AM   #2
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Absurdism strikes again. What flavor you want? Sartre, Camus, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Buddhism, or Neoplatonism?

I like neoplatonism just because it allows me to make a neapolitan flavor pun that I haven't fleshed out yet.

What if they did matter?
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Old 28th-November-2016, 08:24 AM   #3
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Old 28th-November-2016, 08:46 AM   #4
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I'm kinda fine with having a meaningless existence. It doesn't really change anything
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Old 28th-November-2016, 09:30 AM   #5
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Why did you make this thread if everything is meaningless?
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Old 28th-November-2016, 10:29 AM   #6
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Why do we place so much importance in things that don't even matter?
Why are you surprised that your existence lacks inherent meaning?

Dwell on that for a bit.
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Old 28th-November-2016, 02:42 PM   #7
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okay we've come to this realization and now we are aware - we accept the reality

this mindset is well known by most and i believe that it isnt anything special to ponder on about further, we know it and then we move on with what is our primary goals, either trivial or significant in the face of a reality that never mattered in the first place along human beings

but for some that doesnt happen so easily and that is when existential crises comes about. the answers are pretty simple at face value and very boring and underwhelming - why do humans continue to value in things that dont matter? i would answer biology as a general answer, you can go on a more specific note by including neuron chemicals in the brain like dopamine that keeps our shit in place as a reward system for continuing upon things that are inherently pointless in the end

like contributing to these forums - i do it cuz it temporaliy, albeit in bearable amounts, stimulates me when im bored. that is why i made my comment unnecessarily long too, hahaha dam.
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Old 28th-November-2016, 02:44 PM   #8
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neuron chemicals neuron transmitter whatever same thing

IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAYS LOL

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Old 28th-November-2016, 03:52 PM   #9
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I felt really sick yesterday, bad headache and now I feel better, I feel wonderful. Empty feelings don't exist when you are so happy. When you eat food it's a sign that life strives to continue existence. Oh my God - icecream.

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Absurdism strikes again. What flavor you want? Sartre, Camus, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Buddhism, or Neoplatonism?

I like neoplatonism just because it allows me to make a neapolitan flavor pun that I haven't fleshed out yet.

What if they did matter?
I choose Inceptionism. We must go deeper into the illusion.
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Old 29th-November-2016, 10:22 AM   #11
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Ah, nihilism. The belief that matter doesn’t matter. Because if all matter is just energy, then matter isn’t really real and doesn’t matter. So why the subject matter of matter mattering? You’re proposing that along with matter, anti-matter and dark matter we should consider doesn’t matter? For that matter, why does this matter you’ve raised even matter? The matter at hand is better dealt with by asking, “is something the matter?”
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Old 29th-November-2016, 12:11 PM   #12
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I think about this concept a lot. But in the end, whether or not we matter doesn't really matter. Because regardless of whether our existence has any sort of significance to the universe, we're here anyway, and because we're wired to feel things like self-preservation and pain and pleasure and empathy, our existence ends up mattering to ourselves and the fellow meaningless human beings we interact with.

It's kind of like how people say life is meaningless because it's short, but our life is the longest thing any of us experience, no?
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The problem seems to be that people are far too focused on the end.

Once they realize the end is an impossibility they freak out and devalue & denounce the process towards an abstract end and express that in ideas such as "everything is meaningless!" - they are wholly unable to endure incompletion (which cannot be overcome since reality itself is characterized by incompletion.)

The effect of such impatience? An impulsive response or vulnerabilities toward "complete" ideas such as: "life is an illusion," which has a range of adverse effects causing improper functioning of the infected individual.

Life is experienced as a process, not as a beginning and an end; being dominated by the need to experience it as the latter leads to a detachment to life itself.
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Old 29th-November-2016, 07:23 PM   #14
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Life, purpose, reality and truth are all ill-defined concepts anyway, to the question is meaningless.
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Old 29th-November-2016, 08:27 PM   #15
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A flea's life is not pointless to a flea,
Stars in far away galaxies, are all but pointless to me.
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Old 29th-November-2016, 10:28 PM   #16
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I choose Inceptionism. We must go deeper into the illusion.
http://intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=556139&postcount=20

Post #16 as well for full context.
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Old 29th-November-2016, 10:40 PM   #17
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Reality is what I make of it.

So h*ck off
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Old 30th-November-2016, 02:14 PM   #19
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Blegh. Nihilistic garbage.

You should never rely on the scientific model to provide you with a sense of meaning because it's meant to strip away of any subjectivity and get down to objective materialist data. Meaning is entirely subjective - it's something that humans create, but phenomenologically, that's the reality you live in (since your stream of consciousness can only technically perceive things, and how we bias our perceptions of the world makes up how we think of the world all together. Nihilism is also a form of belief and the perception of a meaningless universe is created entirely by the mind).
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Well, I was one one of those kids who sat under table in daycare thinking that our reality is made up by outside observers and you can layer those realities never knowing where it starts. As a result they kicked me out and I was psychologically evaluated later.
I was apparently messed up because I was non-standard representation of human child. So the manufactured reality kicked my ass...
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Existence exists-something exists which one can perceive and that one exists possessing consciousness to perceive what it is that exists. Reality is that which exists, the unreal does not exist, the unreal is a negation of existence. No one tells a man what exists, but only that it exists. How does knowledge come into an individual man? It comes through the door of his senses.
We are just beginning to understand universal laws, world order, universal truths. Probably 99% of everything we think we know is wrong, half wrong. But law tyrannies over man and forces him to much that is contrary to nature. We are slaves of the outer world?
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What you have given is not a fact but an interpretation, your interpretation.
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The truth about reality is that reality is an illusion in itself. All that's left to say is that people accept the illusion as reality because they can't stand to see the deeper truth; that they're meaningless. Their life is pointless. Humans are to the universe as fleas are to dogs. A flea's life is pointless and pesky to the dog. Human life are pointless and pesky to the world.

Why do we place so much importance in things that don't even matter?
Such word Salad. Im going to take "reality is an illusion" to mean "Reality and our perceptions of reality are incompatible".

If our perception of reality is incompatible with reality itself, how is it we still alive? If our perceptions are incompatible with reality, then it follows that our actions are also incompatible with reality. But if our actions are incompatible with reality, how is it we managed to avoid the literally infinite number of life ending threats on earth? This can not be mere coincidence?
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Humans are to the universe as fleas are to dogs.
Maybe I'm being an ass and not taking in to full consideration the point you're making, but I don't see this comparison as being remotely close. A fleas presence is felt by the dog, and is a problem. Humanity as we know it wouldn't even be detected on a universal scale. You could say humans are to earth as fleas are to dogs.
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