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Old 7th-September-2016, 07:45 PM   #1
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Old 7th-September-2016, 10:07 PM   #2
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Just to remind everyone the member "Nofriends" was banned. I did this thread because Kuu said some such things about mourning and remembrance.
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He was fun/entertaining to play with, and he'll probably mature..... eventually. Maybe lol
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He was fun/entertaining to play with, and he'll probably mature..... eventually. Maybe lol
By then he'll evolve into Havefriends.
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I don't understand how he went from bad internetspeak to Earth God language. It's like one day he's dumb, the next day he's a professional LARPer.
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He seemed like an interesting character, but damn he was annoying.
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By then he'll evolve into Havefriends.
He left me his email in VM. I might contact him lol. Partly because of legit interest because he'd be cool once he gets himself straightened out, and partly to try to prevent the next Dylan Roof.
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I don't understand how he went from bad internetspeak to Earth God language. It's like one day he's dumb, the next day he's a professional LARPer.
Basically, he's just now experiencing his first real pangs of Ni insight, which really floods the ego, at least in my experience.
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That's a curious way to put it.

In Jungian terminology (and that of authors like Thomas Moore), he is just starting into his individuation journey. It's a tumultuous path that can be very confusing and volatile, as the subject tries to sort out existential questions, emotional troubles and questions of personal journey.

Some people go "within" to sort out this phase (usually manifesting as deep depression), but others go "without" and project their inner conflict as an outer drama involving the environment. He was the latter kind.

And it's just not the best idea to drag a forum into one's process that way. I think this was a fair call to make, both for the forum but for his journey. I wish him well. (And he should really get a psychologist)
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Old 8th-September-2016, 05:55 AM   #11
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Man, crazy. I've been out for like 6 months or so and his was one of the first ones I replied to. Then boom - banned.

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I wish him well. (And he should really get a psychologist)
Based on my own individuation, which probably can't be generalized, it seems like there were alternating phases of within and without. "Without" specifically seems to be fear-based and "within" more of a self-doubt thing, though probably not the best way to describe it. My perspective is pretty Dabrowski-heavy.

If a derail becomes useful/interesting discussion, is it still a derail?
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He's probably more mentally sound than half the members on this forum.
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I love Dabrowski; ditto on his stances.

Not everyone (and I suspect this is due to our education/societal arrangement) experiences a dramatic call into individuation; a psychic urgency which gives you but two options: evolve/transform or perish. One can accept the call of individuation and manifest a unique personality, or stagnate in psychological torment for decades.

It can lead to a brilliant individual --often proportional to the profundity of their venture-- if they succeed, or it can lead to brokenness/suicide/neurosis. Usually, I find they're a little of both by the end.

You've been down the rabbit hole, I gather.
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He's probably more mentally sound than half the members on this forum.
^Anna Karenina principle ftw.
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I love Dabrowski; ditto on his stances.

Not everyone (and I suspect this is due to our education/societal arrangement) experiences a dramatic call into individuation; a psychic urgency which gives you but two options: evolve/transform or perish. One can accept the call of individuation and manifest a unique personality, or stagnate in psychological torment for decades.

It can lead to a brilliant individual --often proportional to the profundity of their venture-- if they succeed, or it can lead to brokenness/suicide/neurosis. Usually, I find they're a little of both by the end.

You've been down the rabbit hole, I gather.
Any guesses on the specifics of the arrangement? Some things seem more obvious, like for example we know the social and environmental factors that lead people to develop a schizotypal skew, resulting in an INTP. But that doesn't explain things like why their siblings can be another type, or why an INTP can produce like offspring.

Theories regarding education interest me in general.

My best guess is that I'm in stage IV of positive disintegration. Psychic energy was great and transformative until I became hypomanic beyond my own control and had the rug pulled out from under me, which then produced its fair share of neuroses, which I've overcome fairly well, imho. But there was definitely a lot of potential lost because of how the situation was mishandled, which allowed said neuroses to go unchecked and untreated for >2 years.
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Old 8th-September-2016, 09:06 AM   #16
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interesting?

/ im better than everyone
/ people r shit
/ women also
/ hitler was a cool guy
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/ no one understands me

glad he got banned
RIP tho
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Old 8th-September-2016, 09:47 PM   #17
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I'm super-duper okay with the ban.
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Mods are power tripping! Where was his warning?? I demand his full reinstatement be made!

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I don't believe there's such a thing.

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Old 8th-September-2016, 11:05 PM   #19
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Disgusting misanthropes, they should all be killed with fire. (World Health Organisation guideline)
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haha, couldn't have said it better.

be weary of pre trans fallacies. don't idealize narcissism as if it were grown up existentialism. most importantly don't vote fucking donald trump or any other hitler clone. the biggest pain in the ass of humanity is our misguided tendency to elect narcissistic leaders / enable / excuse their ambitions, because unconsciously we hope to benefit by means of codependence to the agenda of a psychopath, who promises to destroy "our enemies" (which he may do after raping us all, then forcing us to fight and die for him).
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Have you ever read any of Julius Evola's works, Auburn?

You might enjoy reading about what may have led up to the issues raised by positive disintegration.
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interesting?

/ im better than everyone
/ people r shit
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/ hitler was a cool guy
/ conspiracy
/ no one understands me

glad he got banned
RIP tho
Exactly, he was so odd he was interesting.
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Have you ever read any of Julius Evola's works, Auburn?

You might enjoy reading about what may have led up to the issues raised by positive disintegration.
..Now you've got me going down a wiki hole!
But I so enjoy these. Thanks TBerg.
Any particular introductory books/resources you'd recommend?

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From what I can gather so far, he seems to be hearkening back to the primordial origins of human nature (soul), and their rightful and needed place among/within the social structure and life in general.

I don't know his full opinion, but so far this line of thought really resonates with me. I'm currently in the process of looking into Joseph Campbell's work, and similar authors on the importance of "myth"; the insertion of narrative within our lives and purpose that comes from inner journey, rather than dispassionate materialistic gains defining and shaping life aspirations.
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Exactly, he was so odd he was interesting.
Being odd is super cliché
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..Now you've got me going down a wiki hole!
But I so enjoy these. Thanks TBerg.
Any particular introductory books/resources you'd recommend?

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From what I can gather so far, he seems to be hearkening back to the primordial origins of human nature (soul), and their rightful and needed place among/within the social structure and life in general.

I don't know his full opinion, but so far this line of thought really resonates with me. I'm currently in the process of looking into Joseph Campbell's work, and similar authors on the importance of "myth"; the insertion of narrative within our lives and purpose that comes from inner journey, rather than dispassionate materialistic gains defining and shaping life aspirations.
This is his conception of history: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...exeuJSu4AelZ26

This is his last word on the present state of the human being: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...rosCwNTold7CMO

And this is a nice little discussion about his ideas: https://youtu.be/enA1vvaS3ck

I plan to learn about his views on fascism next, which can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...4JWwtb3urQCE2T
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I also put a Ride the Tiger PDF on my phone, but I forget how I found it for torrenting.

Happy reading!
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Even the zen masters come out to mock and ridicule when they are on the correct side of political views.

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i doubt anyone here doesn't think they are human, with the exception of nofriends who has declared to be decidedly better than humans. one example for "idiot compassion" is enabling/encouraging a false self construct, such as a narcissistic one, that causes nothing but suffering. if something is deluded, even and especially the zen master has to say so. and throwing out students, who insist on wrong ideas about the purpose of a teaching, has been a running gag in eastern traditions. awakening is the biggest mock of ego ever. we better get used to it.

my personal/egoic ("human" as you call it) attitude is that reaching out for a narcissist is like putting your hand in a meat grinder. my experience with a narcissistic father. no, they don't mature. not when enabled, anyways.

i haven't even read all of nofriends posts and don't want to pretend that my spontaneous intuition is a precise psychoanalysis of him! it doesn't matter to me, who he is, but what he proposes.

if you want to QUESTION the holocaust and are willing to consider ALL possibilities (including the generally accepted one), i think nothing bad of you. because rational people consider and question everything! and especially if you are from america, it can easily be forgiven, if you lack good intuitions about the history of germany.

but if you are all like 'hitler was a great man' and you talk like you desire to participate or lead in the next worldwar, by idolizing such a leader, as if nationalistic divide and conquer is your idea of fun, then you ought to get lost like dinosaurs.
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It think it was obvious that all those ideas were a result of some sort of feeling of powerlessness. The question I want to pose is: if you know the cause of the ideas, why use the ideas themselves to judge the person?

as an aside: in case this is interpreted as "I am against the ban", I am not against the ban.
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He made a very flattering poll about me.

That's not sarcasm, btw.

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^ this is a really freaking weird thing to say

It's internet text...?

Like: I can do this... asjkdfhgkladfvasd,hfluzsdifhzd g And then I can type in actual words. Or consequent to said performance, speak in a manner haphazard yet of finely sophisticated eloquence, not so much so as to be notably impressive, yet of style of such departure from that previously expressed that now change to other thing and other and mean different thing you see, is just word that come on screen is language and who know why people think it mean about a person thing, you very slow in your learning so i say you gotta go back to school i am the headmaster sit down and listen to your lesson attentively for there will be a... THREE tests at the end of the week for you to tell me all of what you have learnt from my huge brain overflowing with many facts of life the end
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