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Old 29th-August-2016, 09:21 PM   #101
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Heh, I feel like a mod already and I wanted to stop, whatever.
Patient, yeah. Mean, I try. Schemer, prefer to plan. Revenge, for what? I just fuck with RB because he can take it.

You I dont fuck with.
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Hear hear. It seems a lot of people dgaf about civility. And then, ironically, they go round talking about the decline of civilization. Funny, that.

Telling someone to shut up in such a way violates the most fundamental values of this place. It is anti-community and anti-thought. I find it aggravating that so many people seem to not even mind. I've spent years trying to remove the toxic people that say such things from my life.



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Talk about power tripping... Ridiculous and absurd is dismissing people's negative reactions to your behaviour, oversensitive little wimps that they might be. Don't you realize how self-righteous you sound? That somehow you can be held to a different standard because you think you're so right, and that people that are wrong do not deserve respect and that basic civility can be thrown out the window if it so pleases you?

And presumably you are acting in the userbase's interest? Please. Some people clearly think that anything goes is not good for the forum. Mutual respect was what allowed this forum to flourish long before you were here.

Power tripping? We've been trying so hard for so long *not* to permaban you! We've given you far more chances than was fair, spent so much time trying to negotiate, contrary to what some here seem to think. If there's any fool here it is me for ever thinking you could change.

No need to waste any more words. You were warned, you chose to continue digging your grave, now you must go and lie in it. And go out not with a bang but with a whimper.



I know there's history of animosity between you, but that's enough. We know what you think about him, no need to repeat. You know where that road ends.



Keep your friends close and your enemies closer eh? If only you'd been Bronto's sensei this would have never happened. It's all your fault, as usual. Baka.
The moderation you are performing is not what the community wants. You are modrrating for yourself, not the community. That is power tripping. Get it? Harsh words do not make power tripping. It's an actual concept with an analytical meaning.

I would rather try to eliminate people who lie than people who tell liars to shut up.
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Then he should be banned because an overall judgment of "angry insecure male" is clearly worse than a situational judgment of "clueless fool".
I actually don't mind being banned, I've long accepted that I might be banned at any moment at anyone's whim if others didn't like what I was doing. I was entertaining the thought of banning myself from the admin console but I thought it's better to keep the allure of this place and overcome it with the force of my will, rather than using cheap tricks.

Respect yourself Bronto. You were banned and rejected, respect the person that you are and find yourself a better place. Or are you one to plead and bicker your way back when you've been kicked?
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Old 29th-August-2016, 09:28 PM   #104
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Now by this logic Sinny is part of the Illuminati and Grayman is really a mod. In other words reaction formation is simply a possibility and I'm also making fun of the forum's and my own propensity to psychoanalyze.
ooh i get it
but where does that place me?

Usually I am on the positive end when I am not on the negative end but also I suppose that means it must be whether that positive or negative is in association with my fascinations. Anime, Christianity, Tech Singularity A.I. - whether positive or negative I am striving for something wonderful and prophetic or denouncing and decrying that which is bad. So if I were to analyze myself it gets complicated fast. Right now I am trying to embody the ESFP even if I am so uncertain of me being that type. I long to be that type as I think that type is supposed to be, cute, innocent, pure heart, pokemon mew, Fi. But then if we go further with Ni that longing for Epicness of the future coming age.

I am not necessarily attacking any negative traits I think I see in other types. If anything a negativity about myself not being good enough person just confuses me. It drains my energy. Energy is important to Se. I am constantly tired but peak experiences are desired. Assumed negative traits stop me from thinking I am being INTJ but only because that is what the online community keeps reinforcing. But looking at it by the inferior being what any type is drawn to; INTJ desire sensuality (Se) and ESFP's desire epicness (Ni). That is if I am Se dom, the dominant is under most control of a type, the struggle is always with the inferior. If we most want to be the inferior this leads to a better method of type detection?

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I actually don't mind being banned, I've long accepted that I might be banned at any moment at anyone's whim if others didn't like what I was doing. I was entertaining the thought of banning myself from the admin console but I thought it's better to keep the allure of this place and overcome it with the force of my will, rather than using cheap tricks.

Respect yourself Bronto. You were banned and rejected, respect the person that you are and find yourself a better place. Or are you one to plead and bicker your way back when you've been kicked?
Respecting myself by taking the advice of someone who systematically refuses to even read the posts he's responding to?

You people.

Read this thread and try to tell me the decision was right in terms of community service. Or do like you always do: Drop out when proven wrong only to return later with some other arrogant bullshit.
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I would rather try to eliminate people who lie than people who tell liars to shut up.
What did Architect lie about? Are you correctly judging his intentions?

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Architect is dismissive but the presumption and accusation of lying is an attitude that would be taken into consideration by the mods. Jung said Fe types lie the most (presumably Ti hates lying), so you are projecting your hate of Fe onto Architect.
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The moderation you are performing is not what the community wants.
i know "this is not a democracy" but i value this member's contribution to this community so i hereby explicitly place my unvote in favour of bronto ban reversal/robot master persona acceptance
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Respecting myself by taking the advice of someone who systematically refuses to even read the posts he's responding to?

You people.

Read this thread and try to tell me the decision was right in terms of community service. Or do like you always do: Drop out when proven wrong only to return later with some other arrogant bullshit.
I'm not arguing with you nor I am trying to convince you about anything.

What I said here to you is meant as advice, it is not useful now, it may never be useful actually, but there might be a moment when you self-reflect and you realise that your ego is so fragile and that you don't respect yourself.

You will continue to be a whiny, aggressive Bronto as long as your ego is fragile, you can't respect yourself and you can't respect others. Work on that...or not, up to you my friend. It's not like I believe anything I say is going to have any impact, I don't expect it to, I leave it here as sign of my good will more than anything.

Certainly you're defensive enough with the situation as it is now that you're not able to accept or understand what I'm trying to say to you and I'm not trying to make you take this pill because I don't know how, it would be coercive of me and I don't have the energy.
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i know "this is not a democracy" but i value this member's contribution to this community so i hereby explicitly place my unvote in favour of bronto ban reversal/robot master persona acceptance

*harumph*
Hear hear!

I officially second this motion, even if it is a futile action in itself due to the overall power structure.
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I'm not arguing with you nor I am trying to convince you about anything.

What I said here to you is meant as advice, it is not useful now, it may never be useful actually, but there might be a moment when you self-reflect and you realise that your ego is so fragile and that you don't respect yourself.

You will continue to be a whiny, aggressive Bronto as long as your ego is fragile, you can't respect yourself and you can't respect others. Work on that...or not, up to you my friend. It's not like I believe anything I say is going to have any impact, I don't expect it to, I leave it here as sign of my good will more than anything.

Certainly you're defensive enough with the situation as it is now that you're not able to accept or understand what I'm trying to say to you and I'm not trying to make you take this pill because I don't know how, it would be coercive of me and I don't have the energy.
I like your statement. I just dont know that your view of him is all that accurate.
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Bronto needs to come up with a manifesto if he wants back in. Either he will need to stage a revolt or he will need to prove himself to the team.
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Normally, it's common courtesy to wait at least 6 months to try to re register and fly under the radar, at least until the old habits start to re surface.


I was not aware Blarraun resigned until he divulged it in this thread. I was waiting for his feedback on the ban, which never came.
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It is unfortunate that Blarrum is leaving. He isn't a bad guy. There are a lot of 'games' going on. I dont see it as bad necessarily just people messen around. Some people are taking things more seriously than others.

Just remember this is a forum not life. Just lay back and enjoy it. Shit, we dont even really truly know each other so let's not get all upset about other peoples shit and just move on.
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So after all you've said you choose to be a self-described smarmy poster and use passive agression by avoiding to call names? Why don't you say it's about Sinny or whoever else you are alluding to? Pretty sure it's Sinny though.
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Yeah? If we're offering opinions on who he was thinking of I can only come up with Architect and Sinny.
I was thinking it was Munk.

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Words to live by. Not even for the forum, just in a general sense.

Life is meaningless and we're all going to die. Let's just have a good time, everyone.
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I like your statement. I just dont know that your view of him is all that accurate.
Doesn't have to be, feedback adds up. If I met 10 unrelated people telling me I'm a whiny child I'd seriously start analysing what about me is making them think so and I'd try to change a few things about my presentation to see if the feedback stays the same, even if my own opinion would be opposite (assuming I'm not in a biased (insecure, defensive, etc.) mode of thought when one tries to explain away everything and the mind is excellent at providing believable excuses to avoid facing the truth). I might do it earlier, in most cases I wouldn't weigh my own opinion above 3 unrelated (unrelated to one another, could be my relatives) sources.

It might be my own preference but I tend to prefer people who come straight at what they dislike about stuff, the whole game of pretense is exhausting and off-putting.
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If I were bronty, I would have returned as 'brachiosaurie" or so and deny to be the same person.
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I know you hated him, he hated you, that's sort of the gist, what's the point of attacking his person is beyond me. Do you seek to convince everyone he's worthless and negative?
Contrary to popular belief, I have not, do not, and never will hate the Bronto.
He was, is, and always will be nothing more than an annoying immature internet troll.
I am merely amusing myself, as always.

There will be more of his kind.
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I was thinking it was Munk.



Words to live by. Not even for the forum, just in a general sense.

Life is meaningless and we're all going to die. Let's just have a good time, everyone.
I know it was Sinny, and I know some people (including Bronto) think she has a deleterious effect on the forum and that it's not being addressed.

The irony is that in a hypothetical situation where Sinny was banned instead of Bronto we'd be going through the exact same motions. There would be a group of people saying she dindu nuffin and was contributing nice things to the forum, and was unfairly banned. Considering bans of established members disrupt the status quo, it would be completely expected. Actually, it doesn't matter who gets banned, there will always be people who liked them and didn't think they were doing anything bad.

This is not directed at you, just a general remark.
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You assholes make me sick. Making this shit about you. Bronto is banned and I didn't get to say goodbye. That's the real travesty.

But seriously, he was banned for being himself? That's a bullshit excuse. Sure he got under people's skin but I mean really? Who hasn't? I feel like someone was just waiting for any excuse to ban him out of exasperation over anything else.

I-I loved you, Fukyo. (Did you ban him?) You've just ripped my heart out.

Does anyone have a way to contact him outside of the forum?

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Hear hear. It seems a lot of people dgaf about civility. And then, ironically, they go round talking about the decline of civilization. Funny, that.
Well, 'civility' is subjective.

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I-I loved you, Fukyo. (Did you ban him?) You've just ripped my heart out.
It wouldn't be the first time.
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What happens when all the mods leave because they are fed up with our shit? How many are left and what specifically causes them to leave?. I know there are a few on the list but they aren't all actually here.
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I can't help that I'm a sucker for pain.

Do it, bae.

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I know it was Sinny, and I know some people (including Bronto) think she has a deleterious effect on the forum and that it's not being addressed.

The irony is that in a hypothetical situation where Sinny was banned instead of Bronto we'd be going through the exact same motions. There would be a group of people saying she dindu nuffin and was contributing nice things to the forum, and was unfairly banned. Considering bans of established members disrupt the status quo, it would be completely expected. Actually, it doesn't matter who gets banned, there will always be people who liked them and didn't think they were doing anything bad.

This is not directed at you, just a general remark.
A thought...
It really depends on the environment the moderators are trying to make here what people might be good for that environment and who make the forum stray away from that environment. I dont think everyone gets what environment the moderators are trying to create.

I think whether a person deserves it or not is less relevant but not irrelevant.
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It really depends on the environment the moderators are trying to make here what people might be good for that environment and who make the forum stray away from that environment. I dont think everyone gets what environment the moderators are trying to create.

I think whether a person deserves it or not is less relevant but not irrelevant.
The rule thread is as explicit statement of intent as it gets. It was even updated and expounded on 2-3 times precisely because of this. It's all pretty clearly stated in there. Be civil, be coherent, don't create drama, cooperate with mods if you happen to get their attention. The bar is not set high.


However, I get the impression very few people bother with that thread, ever. Whose fault is that?



Most of it is common sense, honestly. If you get warned or tembanned, you should know that you need to change your behavior. Some extraordinarily stubborn individuals put up a a wall around themselves and refuse to adapt. It is not surprising that they eventually get the perma ban.


In addition to that, there is another thing. Some people plainly disagree with the rules or how the forum is moderated, but they continue to participate probably under the assumption that they will be left alone.
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As devil's advocate, should harassment and hostility be considered INTP traits?
I'm not saying it should be automatic but people have said that they can be. Anyone or any type could do that, but it may be easy enough to see when an "INTP" is doing it.
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Hypothetically, no one should be truly surprised at someone exhibiting behavior like that. Unless this forum is meant to be therapeutic, which in a sense it is, then only banning can be resorted to in an effort to normalize those kinds of personality quirks. I didn't really know him, so maybe he did have a personal issue or was dissatisfied with something such. In that case it isn't my business, I don't care and wasn't really trying to help just the rules here have no foundation and aren't always congruently enforced, so thought I would speak up. I already knew and said it wouldn't work, wasn't hoping to achieve an unban knowing the track record here, but people apparently don't know how to practice free speech.
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Basically his behavior has nothing to do with his type which means he was banned for other reasons i.e. unnecessary projected anger. I had no problems with him personally but I would think that the mods understand his confrontationality on the forum better than I do. I have seen how he has acted thread to thread on occasion which may have been worse behind the scenes private messaging and all that. Unless you define INTP as being the jerk type then all I can say is I disagree on your definition. I only use the word jerk because I have seen posts he has made that feel jerkish to me and I believe INTP's are not necessarily jerks. Usually INTP's may dismiss you but I would not say they actively want to confront you. That would be a messed up unhealthy INTP.
I have seen things on other forums, if a member no matter how popular gets banned on a few occasions it finally results in a perm. Whether that was justified here or not can only be determined by certain methods. Either way apparently his content wasn't valuable enough to garner protection.
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One post I saw was when he said CherryCola was wrong because what he (bronto) said was logically sound and he was mad that Cherry could not see it. From this I can extrapolate that he hates certain people for being actively wrong on issues that are not really wrong. Once you get to the point where you must be right all the time I would say can be an INTP trait but that is only because I remember from a video that said Introverted thinking is the function that listens the least. Dario Nardi said Fi is the function that is the best listener. So speculatively: he hates certain people for being wrong on issues according to his logic. If hating people for being wrong is an INTP trait then yes he was banned for typical INTP behavior but I cannot see any other way for him to be banned because of his type because any type can get angry for other people being wrong on issues important enough for them to get upset about.
I didn't see that post, and if anything maybe that is a certain personality trait that can have easy proneness and should be something one may wish to overcome, if possible, as it can come across as too quick to take a serious disliking to someone. Whatever the argument, it would seem a communication error between two people. I wouldn't say all that, it just seems like maybe at least he was frustrated at the probable inability of others to stop spreading propaganda and others for believing it willingly. His posts I'm betting weren't severe enough to warrant a ban. The drama is silly and you need better ways of working out your conflicts.
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Keep your friends close and your enemies closer eh? If only you'd been Bronto's sensei this would have never happened. It's all your fault, as usual. Baka.
Don't make me write another INTPf yaoi fanfic darn it!

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Oh no it's happening again!

Personally though, I think Blar's suggestion of a long cool-off period of several months would probably be the best for Bronto.

I remembered that my earliest positive experience with them is discussing about memory and how to write lyrics. Perhaps the ban period is the best time to perfect that craft? I just recently found that writing lyrics (although mine is a long poem) is quite soothing yet research intensive in its own right. Perhaps that's the best way to spend that "angry male" productively.

I think I would enjoy talking with them about their literary experiences once they reformed and returned.
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The rule thread is as explicit statement of intent as it gets. It was even updated and expounded on 2-3 times precisely because of this. It's all pretty clearly stated in there. Be civil, be coherent, don't create drama, cooperate with mods if you happen to get their attention. The bar is not set high.


However, I get the impression very few people bother with that thread, ever. Whose fault is that?
I agree. Didn't mean to indicate that it was a problem with the moderators.
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Oh no it's happening again!
Well if you do, I'll voice it on one of the 'post your voice' threads.

I think I still have the infamous audio file of kuu going 'yesssssss' in the sleaziest manner possible, that I'll interject where appropriate. Bonus points if somebody says, 'but.... your intpness, it's soooo big.'
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sinny needs to go on a long raw juice fast. you should generally ban people until they deliver some proof of having done something effective to detox their rotten brains. blauraun needs to soften his inner ISTJ ego with some mdma. and architect, you know what you are in for. that's right, authentic ayahuasca sessions in the jungle. take jenny and editor one with you. three friends on a heroic journey, like in LOTR. unban da blob, he can take your place as most archetypical senior intp on duty. 12 step program for gopher and TMB.
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What should I do, nanook (if you would be so kind as to give advice)?
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architect, you know what you are in for. that's right, authentic ayahuasca sessions in the jungle. take jenny and editor one with you. three friends on a heroic journey, like in LOTR.
I would watch that movie
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@tberg i'm thinking a bit more social interaction might help to relax that libertarian-bordelinining-on-paranoia 'must teach society' edge. that's all my intuition gives me. perhaps you, me and AK should meet and take the necessary mdma to make that possible.
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@Nanook, do me next.
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@Nanook

what do you think of post 104

Also I am past age 26, that is developmental stage right?
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Nanook is like the forum celebrity or something
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that's so weird, that this place has like a whole hand full of people who seem to care about my opinion, considering that, in my experience, virtually the whole fucking world hates me or at the very least considers me insane. and heart breaking if i have to disappoint them but i suck at responding to inquiries/requests ... (pls stop?)

i am sad that bronto is gone! i must mention that, if i make so many posts in this thread. but i don't want to argue about local politics either, because i don't see it as my place to vote on anything around here. you do whatever you do. life goes on.

(i must say though, i find it difficult to find interesting message boards. perhaps that's just me. but perhaps much is taken, when one is banned from here?)
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sinny needs to go on a long raw juice fast. .
I drink peoples blood with a touch of Aloe Vera, is this not good enough?
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Maybe the whingier members don't realize it, but our mods have a frankly saint-like amount of patience. Moderating is a largely unpleasant task with no reward. It is work; especially when you have petulant children members screaming about imagined 'oppression.' Plus, they have no presence of mind to actually be thankful that there are, somehow, people still willing to put up with the bullshit to facilitate the forum community and keep it healthy. for free.
This.
Consider the difficulty of being a moderator and having INTP personality traits. Moderation requires passing judgment. Duh. That makes it hard work, because the natural INTP reaction to rude behavior is "oh, isn't that interesting?" or actual indifference. Moderators have to remember they're supposed to measure behavior against an ideal standard and possibly take action.
They also have to put themselves in the position of people who might actually have feelings - not all of us are 100 percent T, we come with varying layers of F -- and who are the target of rude words, when their natural reaction might be "why is everyone getting so upset?" It's a thankless task. I had to do it for several years on a newspaper online forum.

I have long experience on this forum and consistently find the various moderators over the years manage to strike a tone that pretty much reflects the INTP personality. They are long-suffering, patient, and slow to act. When they finally do, it is usually an indication that the banned individual has managed to push them beyond the patience level of a saint.

I'm sorry to see Bronto go, but I have no doubt it had to happen. His excesses were not the grand passion of principle, but the spleen of personal peeve.
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If Architect starts quoting the Matrix too much, I'm doing an extra hit on the yagé.
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*Jenny and Editor make it to the rendezvous point in the middle of the jungle*

Architect: I've been expecting you.

Jenny: Yeah yeah, the quotes. Lets just get on with it. Which way to the peruvian shaman? I'm dying for a hit. And did anyone bring sun screen?

Architect: You have many questions... and--

Editor: Hooow about we get going. Architect, which way? Left or right?

Architect: There are two paths. The one to the left leads back to the helicopter and your comfy Dark Castle. The one on the right leads to a mosquito infected swampland and to your malaria demise. and the shaman..

spoiler alert: nanook is the shaman
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Keep your friends close and your enemies closer eh? If only you'd been Bronto's sensei this would have never happened. It's all your fault, as usual. Baka.
I fully embrace the Australian style of fighting your friends so they are stronger for the war and supporting my enemies so when war comes you can take away the ladder. That said some friends need ladders, but at some point you run out of ladders so you start taking them from people to give them to others and everything falls down. Bronto never listened in class, *sniff* I've failed as a teacher. *sob* I took away Bronto's ladder.

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You know, you'd be much more funny if you didn't keep stopping to remind everyone that you're actually just trying to be funny and nothing is meant personally.

Own it, man. Just own that shit.

EDIT: more explanation later from youuuu blahblahblah
Yeah but then I'll get banned. Oh some stuff is meant personally, just people understand the wrong stuff and as a perfectionist that's incredibly frustrating. Also I thought that was part of the joke I didn't need to explain... SEE! It's self fulfilling!

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Well if you do, I'll voice it on one of the 'post your voice' threads.

I think I still have the infamous audio file of kuu going 'yesssssss' in the sleaziest manner possible, that I'll interject where appropriate. Bonus points if somebody says, 'but.... your intpness, it's soooo big.'
This needs to happen.

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sinny needs to go on a long raw juice fast. you should generally ban people until they deliver some proof of having done something effective to detox their rotten brains. blauraun needs to soften his inner ISTJ ego with some mdma. and architect, you know what you are in for. that's right, authentic ayahuasca sessions in the jungle. take jenny and editor one with you. three friends on a heroic journey, like in LOTR. unban da blob, he can take your place as most archetypical senior intp on duty. 12 step program for gopher and TMB.
Which 12 steps?
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I'm not one to tell you what you should do. In my eyes this isn't classy and in my opinion is a very jerky move to speak badly of past members who didn't earn their ban to deserve such admonishment.

I know you hated him, he hated you, that's sort of the gist, what's the point of attacking his person is beyond me. Do you seek to convince everyone he's worthless and negative?
I think the point is from Sinny's perspective, Bronto earned a ban a long time ago and didn't get one. I definitely remember it getting quite ugly between the 2 of them. On the other hand maybe Sinny could have been banned too. I didn't pay a lot of specific attention to their schism.

One of the jobs of moderators is to actually moderate things, smooth the waters, make things more peaceful when it is possible. This requires some willingness on the part of forum participants. On my own gamedesign-l there's even a final clause that debators are expected to voluntarily de-escalate a conflict if it gets out of hand. People who aren't willing to do that, "are in the wrong".

How wrong is wrong? We didn't have many situations over the years where moderators were really really needed. But having some petulant brat tell you "fuck you" to your face twice, when you tried to turn the other cheek the 1st time and let them reconsider how they wanted to participate in the forum... enough is enough. At some point you stamp out the vipers because they are vipers, they've proven they're a viper, they want to take the role of a viper, they just want to antagonize you to work out their own psycho dramas, they are thoroughly toxic individuals... sometimes they just have to go.

I don't know if anything happened between Broto and the moderators but I can easily imagine it happening, 'cuz I've been there.

Moderation isn't some infinite resource of patience for a wayward child. If that latest Robot Master handle was indeed Bronto, then he did nothing to convince any mod that he should stay or be reconsidered. He proved that he still wants to rage and tweak their noses and not be conciliatory about anything. Mod message should be pretty clear in a case like that: "that don' work". Such a person can grow up on their own time for awhile, instead of at everyone else's expense.

I'm often given to wonder the number of people who haven't learned the "punch in the nose" lesson about forum communication. If someone would likely punch you in the nose for saying something in real life, not that everyone or anyone would but you'd definitely be cruisin' for a bruisin', then perhaps it's not something that one should post online. [*] A lot of people don't seem to have any standards of civility about that, and absent moderators, they turn forums into real shitholes real fast. I prefer not to have to deal with a shithole forum most of the time. So if some eggs gotta get broken to make the omelette, fine.

There's no way anyone can convince me at this point that Bronto isn't partly responsible for his circumstances. I've seen his posting style often enough. I really don't know, and don't entirely care, if the present instance is "exactingly fair." Maybre it is, maybe it isn't. There's stuff I know I haven't read, and I didn't have to mod this guy.

One should be responsible for one's own mouth. That includes saying things like "I'm sorry", or if not, then at least avoiding interaction with someone you don't want to deal with anymore. As opposed to turning forums into drama fests where one yells about how aggrieved and wronged one is, never taking responsibility for how one did the dance.

[*] On the streets of the USA, "punched in the nose" can also mean getting knifed / shot / dead. You can't say anything you like to just anyone.
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I think the point is from Sinny's perspective, Bronto earned a ban a long time ago and didn't get one. I definitely remember it getting quite ugly between the 2 of them. On the other hand maybe Sinny could have been banned too. I didn't pay a lot of specific attention to their schism.
At one point in time, maybe more, there was a somewhat coordinated effort to put into trolling me.

This little run of bans here, all center around me:
http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.ph...3&postcount=84
http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.ph...2&postcount=85
http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.ph...7&postcount=86

Can't say I ever really noticed that in real time. Most thought I ever gave Bronto and Cherry was when I was wondering if they were cross dressers and/or lovers?
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Architect: I've been expecting you.

Jenny: Yeah yeah, the quotes. Lets just get on with it. Which way to the peruvian shaman? I'm dying for a hit. And did anyone bring sun screen?

Architect: You have many questions... and--

Editor: Hooow about we get going. Architect, which way? Left or right?

Architect: There are two paths. The one to the left leads back to the helicopter and your comfy Dark Castle. The one on the right leads to a mosquito infected swampland and to your malaria demise. and the shaman..

spoiler alert: nanook is the shaman
... and that's where we have to go: Where the path of the Fun ends.

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...Most thought I ever gave Bronto and Cherry was when I was wondering if they were cross dressers and/or lovers?
Hey, we're all here to do what we're all here to do.

Every time you've heard someone say they thought so and so was a crossdresser or a lover -- that's the forum assimilating someone that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing.
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At one point in time, maybe more, there was a somewhat coordinated effort to put into trolling me.

This little run of bans here, all center around me:
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Can't say I ever really noticed that in real time. Most thought I ever gave Bronto and Cherry was when I was wondering if they were cross dressers and/or lovers?
thought I'd repost this for you
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I'll be banned so hard that wonka will return as a mod. But Adaire making an audio presentation about it though... ugh why is the price of literary immortality so steep?!
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Pshht, there's a fully fledged yaoi/the other one blog run by yours truly the community that sends in their pictures of members. I'm sure a little text never hurt anyone! Besides I we can always sell it on the black market...
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