Originally Posted by reckful
And by contrast, the opposite — INTJs mistyping as INFJs and later concluding they're actually INTJ — almost never happens.
It clearly does happen, though. You're currently reading the words of one such individual.
Y'see, there's a lot of conjecture here. I'm not saying that your information is bad, but I think you could be a little more discerning in your efforts to elucidate this theory. You often speak in concrete terms and fail to highlight the many subtleties and grey areas which permeate the theory. At least in the bits of your work I have read - apologies if you actually do
Now, it's obvious that you have done your research - you're probably a great deal more knowledgeable than myself in some areas... but have you spent any time within the professional community? If you have, you'll know that the very best practitioners out there are huge proponents of type being far more fluid than it is oft portrayed. You will also be aware that there are myriad
ways in which types in and of themselves can and do (frequently) vary. It'd be entirely possible to stand 100 INTJs in a room with one another and have only a handful find common ground.
Take me as a point of reference. It took two exceptional practitioners to convince me that I use Te, not Fe. Why? Simple - I have been brought up in an extremely Fe-oriented family; my Te had been suppressed pretty much all my life. The end result was a very faulty perception of self and thus an individual who was (past tense) a far cry away from the often predicated idea that INTJs are cocksure... although I apparently come across that way regardless, so whatever. Basically, I didn't know my arse from my elbow. If you read the many (bullshit) descriptions out there, you'll note that this is allegedly not a trait found within INTJs - yet here I stand.
There's also the strength of functions, too. Without a doubt, 'dominant is king'. All other functions are subservient to a large degree, and like fuck
we have a neat and orderly function stack. Of course, some individuals do develop their lesser functions well. This alone can bring about entirely different flavours of the very same type. One INTJ may have Ni the size of the moon and look like a bit of an idealistic daydreamer who doesn't often get much done, yet the INTJ next to him may have, because of environmental circumstances, well developed Te which makes him look so pragmatic he's perceived as a machine.
However, dominant is always
king - so concentrate on finding that rather than attempting to fit into a type. Beyond the dominant, everything is a bit of a crap shoot. Moreso as we grow older and (hopefully) continue to develop.
OP (Emerald, right?) from one person who lost his mind during self-exploration to another who seems to be going that way: you can by and large disregard most of the type descriptions out there. They're most often created by bullshit artists who have no idea what the fuck they are on about. Even the decent ones tend to be massively over-generalised.
In a nutshell, we're all radically different from one another, so cease and desist immediately with the whole 'Imma squeeze myself into this pigeon hole' act. It won't work - you'll only drive yourself to distraction and eventually go stark raving mad in your repeated attempts.
Also, it just isn't possible to type someone via a few words on a forum. It really isn't. If someone is telling you that they can type you on an internet forum, run a mile in the opposite direction
. It really isn't that simple. Far, far from it.
After moving in the professional community for a while (and speaking to quite a few of the practitioners including Linda Berens and Dario Nardi - yeah, get me all dropping names and shit) it became blindingly
- Type is vastly
more nuanced than the many resources found on the internet would have you believe
- The internet is full of people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about (Rekful - this isn't aimed at yourself)
- It's better to just seek out a pro to tell you where it's at, because holy shit will it save you a lot of time and effort >_>
That being said, Greyman and Auburn here absolutely nailed me via video. In spite of thinking I was an INFJ at the time, my Te apparently shone through to the extent that they both assumed me ENTJ. So, not 100% accurate but well within the ballpark.
I would argue that typing a person becomes somewhat easier with video, but forget text alone. Forget still images, too. You need to see a person in motion, ask questions etc. It isn't as easy as many make it out to be. Even some of the best in the business struggle like heck with certain individuals. We're a complex bunch, us humans.
As a final thought, I will concede that in spite of what I learned during my time rubbing shoulders with real practitioners, I have (against their advice) noticed certain physical traits within individuals of certain types. For example, I swear I can spot Ni in a person's eyes. I've yet to be proven wrong, because everyone I've looked at and thought 'Ni!' has actually turned out to be (colleagues who have worked with the MBTI; friends who were eventually professionally typed... and also my wife).
Meh. Not to shit on Rekful or anything - he simply catalysed the rant. Not because of what he said, but because of memories dredged up.
All that being said, I'm an INTJ. Ask me questions if you want. I'll answer honestly, though be aware that there's zero guarantee you'll find any correlation at all - even if you are an INTJ yourself.
If you are
an INTJ, you should be able to identify Ni as your MO... but then trying to explain Ni, even to other Ni users, can be akin to explaining colours to a blind person. It ain't so easy.