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  1. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Welcome to the forum. "Racism" has a lot of diverse meanings, so it can be shaped into any target you find suitable. You think fighting racism is to not abuse your own race, but so many other activists believe the opposite, at least for whites, as though whites can not be anti-racist if they do...
  2. ApostateAbe

    IQ and life outcomes

    The correlation applies to the human species. For the animal kingdom generally, the commonly-accepted variable that correlates with intelligence would be a ratio: brain volume over body volume. On that scale, elephants are at the expected place. Same with blue whales (each of their brains is the...
  3. ApostateAbe

    IQ and life outcomes

    I have talked about the correlation between intelligence and brain size in other places elsewhere, and this is a surprisingly common sort of response, seemingly because the correlation is just not well known. It is an established fact, but hardly anyone knows about it. The popular culture is...
  4. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    I ignore it only because it lacks relevance. Young adults are victims of discrimination by the police, relative to older adults. Some innocent young adults are victimized by the police. Nobody thinks of that as a national tragedy, nor should they. Men are victims of discrimination by the police...
  5. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    "That ignores the fact that there are white school shooters too, for instance. Australia is a federal democracy like the US, the citizens do not need guns, the police use guns less too. It's largely White too, and hasn't turned into a tyranny. Why can't the US follow its example?" Some white...
  6. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Yeah, blacks in America tend to think a lot like you do. Even with violent crime vastly overrepresented among them, targeting other blacks, cops, and everyone else, it is not their fault. They are not the race of criminals. No, they are the victims, and it is the RACIST POLICE who need to...
  7. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    "Even if most criminals are blacks, most blacks may not be criminals." I agree, mostly--most members of every race are at least low-level criminals. Blacks have earned my title as the "race of criminals" just because (1) hard habitual violent criminals are vastly overrepresented among them, and...
  8. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Gun freedom works for white people as a check against excessive government tyranny. When the people are armed, government stands back. But, for black people in America, gun freedom would be like suicide. It is a racial dynamic that just doesn't register with white American conservatives, because...
  9. ApostateAbe

    IQ and life outcomes

    You say it isn't a delusion, but I can make sense of what you are saying only if you are intending to say that the delusion is a good thing. It is a noble lie. Most people will never achieve their dreams, nor anything close to it, but it is a good thing they have such aspirations. I think...
  10. ApostateAbe

    IQ and life outcomes

    Yeah, great movie for its futurism more plausible than most such sci-fi, but the social setting seemed to serve as the antagonist for the hero, with a story catering to the underdog-loving optimism of the American audience. We believe you can make it in this world if you just work hard, persist...
  11. ApostateAbe

    IQ and life outcomes

    Success means competing effectively, and high general intelligence (not just high IQ) is a real big advantage, one way or the other. If you are a prospective professional lawyer or scientist or engineer or surgeon or large business executive or high political candidate, then you will be...
  12. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Policing is dangerous work. Armchair policing, however, is the easiest job in the world. Not to disrespect you so much. You make a living criticizing the police, which is not the lowbrow Twitter social justice warriorism, but something to be feared. I sometimes call blacks a race of criminals...
  13. ApostateAbe

    IQ and life outcomes

    The environment of the movie Gattaca seemed miserable mainly because of the dark lighting. Otherwise, it would seem like a utopia--bad only for the unedited minority (shown above), and only by comparison, much like how the poor of the first world are better off than the upper class of the...
  14. ApostateAbe

    IQ and life outcomes

    "My question is, why is this the case? Why is it that people who are good at 1 thing are often also good at others?" Why not? The problem may only be nature's conflict with the ideological context of our own thinking. We grew up expecting some sort of grand equality or fairness from the start...
  15. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Yes, I agree. It is racist to accept obvious facts of human biological diversity, but acceptance of the obvious facts does not mean we need to hate anyone, nor join the Ku Klux Klan, nor anything like that. Facts are just the facts, and we need those facts to help us achieve social ends of any...
  16. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Maybe the attached image will help. It comes from the Herrnstein and Murray 1994 book, The Bell Curve, appropriately titled. Years ago, Facebook punished anyone who posted this image, with a progressively-severe suspension (1 to 30 days), though they may have relaxed that rule since then, since...
  17. ApostateAbe

    Ontogeny recapitulates cosmogony?

    Well, unfortunately your broad cosmological thesis is off the proper rails from the start. Haeckel was wrong about developmental biology. Ontogeny does NOT recapitulate phylogeny. That is because there is no logical relationship between anyone's embryonic development and evolutionary change...
  18. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    What I believe about black Americans does not so much follow from my direct experiences in my own personal life. My beliefs merely follow from established statistical facts. Maybe that sounds like bullshit, but it isn't bullshit unless I am fooling myself, which is of course typical. My...
  19. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    You can find a copy of the 1947 paper of the Clark doll experiment here: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/05/13/doll.study.1947.pdf The Clark doll experiments have been the tool of a lot of rhetoric ever since, all with the same underlying faulty presumption: all races are objectively...
  20. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    To follow-up, I rambled about the genetics of criminal behavior, but that may have been an error, because it is just a tangent to the bolded point. Even if genetic variation had nothing to do with the variation of criminal behavior, then the broad racial differences in actual criminal behavior...
  21. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    There are two issues going on, and they need to be teased apart. First, I agree with you, mostly, that the racist instinct does not care whether other races are less intelligent or more intelligent, more criminal or less criminal; all of us have a distrust of racial outsiders regardless...
  22. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    I tried looking for ways in which the leading spokesmen get it wrong about the science of intelligence. I could not find any examples. Even David Duke, the most extreme among the Alt Right, gets the science of IQ correct. They openly recognize the intelligence advantage of Asians and Jews, and...
  23. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    You shifted your claim to uncertainty, I do not challenge the uncertainty, and I am done talking about penises. Not that it isn't interesting. You have some peculiar ideas about why modern people don't like small dicks, and I prefer to let that stand. The conversation may devolve into lowbrow...
  24. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    OK. To answer your question, yes, your opinion is welcome.
  25. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Jesus said, "Don't judge lest ye be judged." That was before the Internet. On the Internet, judgment falls from the sky, judgment blankets everything, and we build judgment forts and get into judgment ball fights.
  26. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    "This is what I’d call “dangerous knowledge”. It is not racist, but society will fight back against it because true racism still exists, and this kind of knowledge is very likely perpetuate it. Most people would draw improper conclusions from such studies and cause more harm. As a judgement...
  27. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Thinking of racism as a spectrum is misleading, in my opinion. The acceptance of some established facts beyond reasonable doubt make you a racist for accepting them. For example, the rate of sexual assault is far higher among black men than among Asian men. If you accept this fact established...
  28. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    "What's the odds that external appearance shows that one group has a lower IQ than another? The answer is, none unless there's evidence of a correlation." Even without a known correlation, the answer would have to be somewhere above 0%. That is because genetic differences in some things tend to...
  29. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Yes, I agree. Putting racism on one's moral compass causes problems. When one end of the needle points toward racism, then we would run in the direction of the other end, wherever that may lead. That's a problem especially because some important established facts make you a racist for accepting...
  30. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Overrated? I have never seen anyone call racism anything but evil. Are you saying it is even worse than that?
  31. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    "External differences do not show anything apart from those differences themselves. It is fallacious to assume that simply because some persons have different physical features and skin colour, then they are necessarily less intelligent (for example)." When I wrote that "External differences...
  32. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    External differences are cues to genetic differences among groups on the whole, even if the only such cue is skin color. But don't be misled: skin color is most certainly not the only such cue. Other such cues include nose shape, head shape, lip shape, eye socket shape, height, natural hair...
  33. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    "It is not innate because different groups of dark-skinned people were discriminated against by lighter skinned people despite being the most genetically distinct on earth - the negritos in the Philippines and African-Americans historically." To see how much that argument holds up, maybe try...
  34. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    Yeah, you apparently thought you were disagreeing, but you were not. I just took it as an obvious given premise that rapists tend to lack empathy, and that doesn't really need to be stated explicitly as a component of the behavior. "What causes some people to murder? Anger or greed? I think it...
  35. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    Yes, I am arguing against the feminist position, and I don't think anyone here has really defended the feminist position nor even disagreed with my own position (rape is usually about sex drive). There are just a lot of diverse offshoots and elaborations of my position. I expected that I would...
  36. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    I certainly would not want to paper over the complexity. The case of Bill Cosby is interesting to me. He is a man who could have had the consent of almost any woman he wanted, and yet he raped them by the dozens with knock-out drugs in their drinks. An attempt at rape without knock-out drugs...
  37. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    Maybe I need to spell this out clearly for you: some members of the human species lack sufficient compassion/empathy. On the extreme end, they are psychopaths. And a bunch of people are just somewhere further along the psychopath spectrum. Those are the people who will rape and just not give a...
  38. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    You wouldnt rape, for the same reason you wouldnt steal from a small family owned bookstore. This point may lead to an answer to the puzzle. We are judging the whole human species based on our own selves. True, I would not steal from a small family-owned bookstore, and neither would you. And...
  39. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    When I wrote, "It is not enough to know that theory was constructed on anecdotes selected by activist authors and reinforced by a lot of bad arguments (see )," I mistakenly omitted the citation. It should have been Craig T. Palmer, 1988, "Twelve Reasons Why Rape is not Sexually Motivated: A...
  40. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    Men cheat even when each such man has an attractive girlfriend or wife, but do we then argue that the cheating behavior has non-sexual motivation? Generally, no. That is because obviously a man's sex drive is not satisfied except by a countless diversity of beautiful young women. Genghis Kahn...
  41. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    I mostly agree. Only a few such people are worth engaging with, in my opinion. (I have a high opinion of myself.)
  42. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    Yes, but humans are mammals, and a vast diversity of mammal species have used rape as a means of reproduction, including the closest kin to the human species.
  43. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    The topic came up in another thread. I brought it up in passing as an example of an absurd thing that American sociologists believe because they deny the biology of human nature, and then other posters indicated that they actually believed it. The whole field of sociology (and related fields) is...
  44. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    Your thoughts are all over the place. Maybe you are still making up your mind? Don't get the wrong idea about my opinion. I don't think rape is a learned behavior. That would require at least a few rape teachers. That isn't a thing. The men who rape other men in prison are generally...
  45. ApostateAbe

    Rape is usually about sex drive

    If you have been to college any time after the year 2000, then you have heard the slogan, "Rape is not about sex, it is about power," or something similar. It means that rapists rape mainly because men, as foot soldiers of the powerful patriarchy, are trying to oppress women, and a man's sex...
  46. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    If you would like more than just the example I gave, I suggest the book by Steven Pinker, The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature. His TedTalk on the matter is a good place to start:
  47. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Just one sociologist, but American sociologists really do tend to agree with you, with RedBaron and with that one sociologist interviewed by the Atlantic, that being a sociologist means generally ignoring the genetic components of human behavior. There are a few American sociologists who...
  48. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    I did not mean to disappoint you. I gave such an example in post #58.
  49. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    Yes, I am aware of the nuance you intend, and I am aware that you are not an extremist on the matter. That makes the position only somewhat absurd. Biological sex drive really is the central unifying component of common rape behavior (the behavior, not just the act of rape). American...
  50. ApostateAbe

    Racism is innate

    I meant it only as an example of an absurdity confined to the sociological priesthood, but I forgot that some people outside the Holy Order actually believe it. I will start a new thread on the biology of rape behavior.
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