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  1. The Grey Man

    Are you here for the same reason like me?

    I'm afraid I have no opinion on Voltaire to offer because I haven't read any of his work :/ I do like Kant though, despite the dry prolixity and contrived symmetry of his writing. He more forcibly argued the ideality of time and space than did Berkeley, finally putting his finger on its...
  2. The Grey Man

    there are those that hate depression and wish it gone; i on the contrary, i can’t function without it.

    Reading Schopenhauer worked for me. Now, few things lift my mood other than reading Schopenhauer :confused:
  3. The Grey Man

    The advantages of conscientiousness

    One either does a thing or not. If one has not done the thing, then to say that he "could" have done it is meaningless. It matters not whether he was impeded from doing so by corporeal barriers or psychological inhibitions (a distinction of mainly taxonomical significance, unless we're to...
  4. The Grey Man

    How good is your metacognition

    Once you've thought about everything excepting thinking (cognition) and about thinking itself (metacognition), there's nothing left to think about. Thinking about thinking is still thinking about thinking even if the thought that is thought about has as its object still another thought...
  5. The Grey Man

    Are you here for the same reason like me?

    There can be no doubt that I'm a philosopher at heart, though I may not be a very good one. My mission for my entire adult life has been to acquire wisdom. So far, all of my progress has been negative, has consisted in unmasking the nonsense that has been proffered as wisdom, and of this...
  6. The Grey Man

    Studying abroad in Austria, France, or Italy

    I had a chance to go to France to learn the language in high school and, like an idiot, I turned it down, even though 20% of Canadians are francophones (mostly concentrated in the East, especially in Québec, the largest and second-most populous province of Canada, which is basically a...
  7. The Grey Man

    The Character Analysis Thread

    @The Gopher LOL Minutiae? MINUTIAE?! I don't care how time-stressed anyone else is, I'm still going to agonize over the details of everything I say. If the difference between truth and falsehood is minute, than I must make minute distinctions between what I mean by what I say and what I...
  8. The Grey Man

    The Character Analysis Thread

    @Jennywocky As long as everyone here expects to be wrong about each other's characters and, conversely, to be misunderstood, there shouldn't be a problem. It should be understood by one and all that any real life person reconstructed from an online persona, assuming complete fidelity between...
  9. The Grey Man

    The Character Analysis Thread

    What is the point of a character analysis thread if you don't go in depth? Perhaps you're worried that these character analyses of yours that are expected to be interpreted by their subjects as offensive disparagements will likely prove plausibly deniable because the evidence available is...
  10. The Grey Man

    Everyday ethical/moral conundrums

    I can't find the like button...thank you for sharing!
  11. The Grey Man

    Everyday ethical/moral conundrums

    Yes. It is against the Geneva Conventions to kill a wounded soldier. It was meant to be a heat-of-the-moment sort of thing. I realize that it's hard to foresee how one would react in such an extreme situation, but assume that it's a split-second decision with witnesses around and no time to...
  12. The Grey Man

    Everyday ethical/moral conundrums

    I'm going to answer Cognisant's because I have neither a cat nor a gf I watch and help as soon as I can see that he's struggling. He can be annoyed all he wants, I'm not letting some old man tax himself right in front of me. Your war buddy is covered in third-degree burns, mutilated beyond...
  13. The Grey Man

    what is the difference between adult and children

    Both are enthralled by fantasies. Adults are more mature in the sense that they're capable of reproduction and have fantasies that are more "useful", more conducive to rewards which have been evolutionarily conditioned to arise from favourable conditions for the propagation of their genes. Some...
  14. The Grey Man

    The Character Analysis Thread

    @Polaris It's kind of spooky that you would draw that parallel with your brother if you didn't know that I was in the military :ahh: Military life creates this sense of a necessary shared struggle to meet a concrete (sometimes even life or death) standard of success or failure that has to be...
  15. The Grey Man

    Are we doing likes? I thought we all tacitly agreed that we were too cool for likes. In any...

    Are we doing likes? I thought we all tacitly agreed that we were too cool for likes. In any case, thanks, it made my day.
  16. The Grey Man

    The Character Analysis Thread

    I don't know about the MBTI part, but everything else here so far seems completely accurate as far as I'm concerned. The combinatorial explosion arose from the explosion of hedonically positive and negative phenomena demanding practical consideration to fill the universe. This was caused by my...
  17. The Grey Man

    The Character Analysis Thread

    This is the most enticing thread idea I've seen in a while, though I'm certainly no psychoanalyst, not even an amateur. I don't care what people are thinking most of the time. Nevertheless, I imagine there's a puissant schadenfreude in seeing one's hitherto unnoticed psychological character laid...
  18. The Grey Man

    humor me for a moment

    To myself, that's precisely my point. You asked why life must have meaning, my answer (in a roundabout way), was that I have no idea, but it does. You, me, the intrepid explorer, the clergyman, we all get up out of bed in the morning and to all kinds of things that regress into "nonsensical"...
  19. The Grey Man

    humor me for a moment

    Survival of the fitness is not arbitrary, but the values that have helped us get to this point are, unless it's assumed that what's good for the continued survival of humans is good full stop, which is just those same values talking, circular reasoning. I'm not. Maybe I used ambiguous language...
  20. The Grey Man

    humor me for a moment

    It is believed that all citizens should be organ donors by default because, more fundamentally, it is believed that we should make those decisions which yield the highest net benefit for the individual and society. But it's not obvious to me where you get the idea that the cost/benefit analysis...
  21. The Grey Man

    humor me for a moment

    I prefer "ethical principles" in this case, actually. It's more specific. I'm talking about what beliefs concerning what one ought to do as opposed to those concerning what is or what might be, which might also reasonably be called philosophical principles and, yes, may be more or less rigorous...
  22. The Grey Man

    humor me for a moment

    This informed decision that marries ethical principles and empirical data does so by generating conclusions that are completely determined by the former applied as rules of inference to the latter. They are both indispensable to the process of deciding what to do in a given situation, so it...
  23. The Grey Man

    humor me for a moment

    I used the term "mystic" rather loosely to refer to teachers of morality (which may be the stereotypical bearded, smelly hermit or a prim and proper academic, both of whose teachings could be adapted into a body of dogma), in contrast with empirical science. Empirical science makes no ethical...
  24. The Grey Man

    humor me for a moment

    I have seen completely irreligious people who are so convinced that their half-baked moral doctrines are infallible and applicable under all circumstances that they may as well believe them to be acts of divine legislation; ironically, hardline atheists are exemplars of the sort of dogmatism...
  25. The Grey Man

    Absurdism (split)

    I find this passage from that article in particular to be beautifully apposite to the problem. If all our values are notionally suspended and we attempt to produce replacements merely by shuffling harmless concepts about, we fail, but we nonetheless retain inescapable constitutional values that...
  26. The Grey Man

    The Random Thoughts Thread

    That's part of it definitely. Another part might be silence taken for dishonesty or a holding back of judgmental thoughts. Another might be reserve taken for haughtiness. Another might be a reluctance to expend energy engaging other people socially that leaves them to do all the work and...
  27. The Grey Man

    General catch all for new forum software.

    Oh. Forgot about that. Thanks.
  28. The Grey Man

    General catch all for new forum software.

    There are no clocks anywhere. I suggest adding a clock, to the home page at least, if feasible, so that we know what is meant when a post is said to have been added "Today at 8:12 AM" in terms of time zones. A message at the top saying "all timestamps in X standard" would do the trick too, I...
  29. The Grey Man

    universally preferable behaviour

    Most people are utilitarians; they may claim to embody a deontological doctrine ("it is simply wrong to do X, how can you not see that"), but will fall back on a sort of anthropocentric utilitarianism to justify their principles, usually with some concessions to other creatures who resemble them...
  30. The Grey Man

    universally preferable behaviour

    There are many problems with that "proof". One is that it endeavors to prove (in lines 6-8) something so trivial that nobody doubted it in the first place: that any group of people who debate amongst themselves prefer in each other at least one behaviour, assuming that they all prefer that the...
  31. The Grey Man

    INTPs and politics

    I'm a zealot without a cause, apolitical pending a doctrine that bridges the gap between the totality of personal experience and a vision of proper political activity using valid rules of inference. If such a thing is impossible, it must be that I play no role in any sort of providence that...
  32. The Grey Man

    Absurdism (split)

    I now realize that what I proposed here as a method of deriving one's meaning/purpose/duty is a sort of modified version of Pascal's wager. Instead of weighing the expected reward for myself between my acting as if God existed and my acting as if he did not, I thought I could weigh the expected...
  33. The Grey Man

    Absurdism (split)

    I think it's pretty freaking bold considering how constitutionally ignorant humans are. Our limited perception makes the claim that there is no basis for ethical first principles in reality groundless as the positive claim. I think the onus has always been with choice, and that we have always...
  34. The Grey Man

    Absurdism (split)

    If life has no inherent value, where do you get the idea that one "should" do anything? I agree in the sense that in the absence of clearly sound ethical principles one should act as they exist by searching for them that we might conform to them by design; in other words, we should admit the...
  35. The Grey Man

    Absurdism (split)

    That doesn't exactly answer my question.
  36. The Grey Man

    Absurdism (split)

    Why is there a question of killing yourself but not other people? Why do existentialists insist on the superiority of those who beautifically affirm life while simultaneously maintaining that life is without inherent value or purpose? The latter question, I suppose, is more for people who seem...
  37. The Grey Man

    Awaiting Orders

    If I don't exist, just what the hell does?! This is pointless. What I need is a phenomenological account in complete agreement with my own experience from which to infer my nature both as a potent being (from persistent patterns exhibited by the relations between manifestations of the will and...
  38. The Grey Man

    General catch all for new forum software.

    I'm glad the cross pattée is still there. That and most everything else.
  39. The Grey Man

    Awaiting Orders

    I am perhaps fortunate that my interests, passions, and strengths should be so oriented towards the continual scrutiny and refinement of systems of ethics, so that in pursuing and developing these attributes, I will not suspect that I have neglected my ethical responsibilities, except...
  40. The Grey Man

    Awaiting Orders

    Understood, thank you for clarifying.
  41. The Grey Man

    Awaiting Orders

    Why should one seek to maximize per se anything other than pleasure? Pleasure per se is its own reward, and what is its own reward is pleasure, or I've misunderstood what the word pleasure means. What reason is there for prioritizing doing what one wants to do over doing what will produce the...
  42. The Grey Man

    Awaiting Orders

    From https://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=27069: I see this as a clever reminder that however well-intentioned one's pursuits, one may not do as much good in them as if one had chosen other pursuits which were lesser in their potential to increase the good assuming sufficient talent, but...
  43. The Grey Man

    Awaiting Orders

    Such a prompt and succinct answer to the question I have been asking: what is my duty? To maximize the good, yes, I agree, but this is tautologous wheel-spinning, is it not? For what is duty but that which it is better to do than not to do, and so what in doing entirely, wholly, and perfectly...
  44. The Grey Man

    Awaiting Orders

    I have spent five years camping in this forest of half-measures, awaiting orders. I have no intelligence on the enemy's disposition, capability, or intent; indeed, I cannot even be sure that there is an enemy. With each day the adversary remains hidden behind a veil of uncertainty, time takes...
  45. The Grey Man

    What is suffering?

    On the contrary: I think it's the only part we talk about. We wouldn't go looking for the underlying mechanism of the internal suffering if that suffering was not contained in our intrinsic being to start with. The physical aspect is a theory of the phenomenal aspect; we created it. It's an odd...
  46. The Grey Man

    No more patience for your emotional bs

    Preach, brother. ... I don't know what this thread is for, so I'm assuming it's a place for you to express yourself and be validated. Rest assured, I feel- oops, I think the same way. Many people in individualistic societies think that they are at their best when governed by their appetites...
  47. The Grey Man

    What is your role in your zombie apocalypse survival group?

    I don't need to take the test to have more certainty in my answer than can be conferred by the result of what appears to be a minimally rigorous questionnaire. Depending on the usefulness of the other people in the group, I could be anything from (in descending order of dispensibility to the...
  48. The Grey Man

    What is suffering?

    There seems to be an identity between repulsive and attractive forces and hedonic aversion and affinity respectively. Human aversion towards suffering seems to correspond to negative/phobic tendencies and will towards pleasurable states to positive/philic tendencies. So it would seem that...
  49. The Grey Man

    At what point or when does the end justify the means?

    The end doesn't only justify the means, it demands them. If you aren't willing to do what it takes to achieve a goal, then what you have is not a goal, it's a wish. Or you have another end that you've neglected to mention, whose means are mutually exclusive with those of, and upon which you...
  50. The Grey Man

    0neKiwi's (twisted) philosophy

    Yeah, I know...oops. What I was trying to show is that there are no hard and fast rules about what a person wants per se, what anything is per se, except that it is in accordance with what it is. Person A can't choose what they want; it's built into them, part of the essence connoted by the...
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