Neuropsychological Testing.

[Black Rose]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

 

[QuickTwist]

I wonder if I were to ask the neuropsych for my full WAIS-IV if they would give it to me.

 

[QuickTwist]

I found something interesting today that is the silver lining in my anxiety:

http://checkthesethings.net/people-...?utm_source=IA&utm_medium=Sh&utm_campaign=ShR

 

[QuickTwist]

So I was looking at my results again.

IMPRESSIONS

The neuropsychological results are abnormal. Cognitive tests indicate relative weakness in sustained attenional control and verbal comprehension, although these are variable. Likewise, there are variable issues with cognitive speed. His intellectual abilities are average to high average. Learning and memory performances are normal. Assessments of emotional functioning indicate at least mild depression and severe anxiety, with chronic problems relating to social functioning. Mr. Quicktwist [me] endorses persecutory ideation, chronic interpersonal strife, and alienation.

The findings are withing expectations for individuals with his diagnostic history, which includes ADHD and schizoaffective disorder. The data and his presenting concerns are fully explicable on the basis of neurodevelopmental factors, chronic psychiatric dysfuction, and chronic sleep dysfuction. At this time, I do not harbor any suspicion for acquired encroaching organic dysfuction.

So my social problems are developmental and not necessarily because of my brain. That is what it sounds like to me. That is actually good because it means I can do something about it.

And it sounds like AK was mostly right that because I have half of the intellectual traits in the 100 average and half the traits in the 115 average that that should put me at about 107.5. That said, I recall the doctor saying I shouldn't put so much focus on one particular measurement.

 

[Hadoblado]

Yes, you absolutely can.

Wait anxiety? I thought you said you didn't do anxiety? Maybe I'm FoS.

I don't think it's useful to talk about your average. It's just less useful than talking about specific strengths/weaknesses.

What do they mean by you 'endorsing' persecutory ideation, chronic interpersonal strife, and alienation? That you have these issues but also hold them as positive? Do you think that's true?

 

[QuickTwist]

Yes, you absolutely can.

Wait anxiety? I thought you said you didn't do anxiety? Maybe I'm FoS.

I don't think it's useful to talk about your average. It's just less useful than talking about specific strengths/weaknesses.

What do they mean by you 'endorsing' persecutory ideation, chronic interpersonal strife, and alienation? That you have these issues but also hold them as positive? Do you think that's true?

The anxiety was under the surface of my psyche. It came out in the testing, but I wasn't even aware it was a problem area for me because I had been living with it for so long. At this point its even more than that I can recognize it, but I am facing it head on.

I don't know what that means regarding endorsing. If I had a guess, I would say it just means I agree that I deal with that, but your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Hadoblado]

Huh. Interesting, my anxiety was the same - I didn't think of myself as at all anxious (quite the opposite) until it was diagnosed, and it's... beyond abundantly clear to me now. Diagnosis led to me having a much better idea of how I work, resulting in better functioning as I figure out ways to get around it.

 

[QuickTwist]

Huh. Interesting, my anxiety was the same - I didn't think of myself as at all anxious (quite the opposite) until it was diagnosed, and it's... beyond abundantly clear to me now. Diagnosis led to me having a much better idea of how I work, resulting in better functioning as I figure out ways to get around it.

Yes, exactly.

 

[Minuend]

I did WAIS and almost beat the record on the processing speed ability tests (in the area I was in). Other than that I did ok, I was heavily iron deficient back then and didn't know. In hindsight I'm kinda curious how I'd do if I weren't iron deficient. My test didn't pick up on me being deficient, apparently I was "normal". Which makes me question the testing, as I was in a very severe brain fog, detached from everything. My cognitive issues were severe, and still often are

Erm, not that I wouldn't be normal, I mean, but it's weird i wasn't being picked up as being abnormal considering how sick i was

 

[Hadoblado]

Generally the way they pick up that something is wrong is if some of your scores are abnormally different from other scores.

So for example, my working memory is worse than my visuospatial reasoning by an abnormally large amount, which is one part of the diagnostic criteria for any number of conditions. If your sickness globally affected your functioning, they may have just assumed a lower baseline. :shrug:

 

[Gyppo]

Through what means did they uncover your anxiety?

 

[QuickTwist]

Through what means did they uncover your anxiety?

I think it was a questionnaire where various questions were asked of me and I either rated them or did a true or false or something similar. There is a crap-ton of effort and time that goes into making these tests.

 

[QuickTwist]

I did WAIS and almost beat the record on the processing speed ability tests (in the area I was in). Other than that I did ok, I was heavily iron deficient back then and didn't know. In hindsight I'm kinda curious how I'd do if I weren't iron deficient. My test didn't pick up on me being deficient, apparently I was "normal". Which makes me question the testing, as I was in a very severe brain fog, detached from everything. My cognitive issues were severe, and still often are

Erm, not that I wouldn't be normal, I mean, but it's weird i wasn't being picked up as being abnormal considering how sick i was

What I have found is that having slow processing speed puts me at a pretty bad disadvantage because the faster you can think the faster you can get to answers.

All too often I spend so much time trying to find the perfect word, perfect phrase, perfect way to get my idea across. If I was a bit more extroverted or had better processing speed this would help a lot.

Working memory plays a role in this as well because I can only hold so many ideas in my head at a time. So while I am thinking of what I want to say, I have to think of what I am saying as well and it's difficult for me because I can't hold too many things in my head at the same time.

My mind is more imaginative than logical I would say. I have no difficulty thinking of listening to a song in my head while imagining what the band is doing if they were playing it live. Music is a big part of how I think thought because I typically think in ideas and music is just a plethora of ideas coming out one after another.

Most people think in words or pictures. I think in ideas. That's another reason why it's so hard for me to communicate with people sometimes - because it's easy for my to know what it is I want to communicate, but actually communicating that is not always so easy. I tend to be very long winded irl. My brother has a word for it. My brother and I frequently walk around a lake and talk. I tend to circle around so many ideas just to get to the actual point I want to make and my brother calls this "walking around the lake" to symbolize that I don't really speak plainly. That's why I wanted to get this neuropsychological testing done in the first pace - to show where my laps in communication resides. I found out a big part of it is anxiety and because I have slow memory and processing speed.

 

[Hadoblado]

Most people think in words or pictures. I think in ideas. That's another reason why it's so hard for me to communicate with people sometimes - because it's easy for my to know what it is I want to communicate, but actually communicating that is not always so easy. I tend to be very long winded irl. My brother has a word for it. My brother and I frequently walk around a lake and talk. I tend to circle around so many ideas just to get to the actual point I want to make and my brother calls this "walking around the lake" to symbolize that I don't really speak plainly. That's why I wanted to get this neuropsychological testing done in the first pace - to show where my laps in communication resides. I found out a big part of it is anxiety and because I have slow memory and processing speed.

I really like that 'walking around the lake' expression.

A small pick (sorry), I don't think it's true that most people think in words or pictures, or that some people don't think in ideas. Full functioning people likely use all three.

It also seems like you're putting all these things on the same level, but at least by my estimate, thinking in pictures and words is just a way to express underlying ideas. From this perspective, it sounds like your idea generation is fine while your communication areas might have crossed wires. I have similar issues but only sometimes. I think it's mostly just when anxiety is high it causes a bit of a traffic jam on the communication front and I can't reach the terminology I need to express myself as well as I'd like.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Introverted rational types (IxxP) often have problems with communication, since articulation is associated with extroverted judgement which is their inferior.

 

[QuickTwist]

Most people think in words or pictures. I think in ideas. That's another reason why it's so hard for me to communicate with people sometimes - because it's easy for my to know what it is I want to communicate, but actually communicating that is not always so easy. I tend to be very long winded irl. My brother has a word for it. My brother and I frequently walk around a lake and talk. I tend to circle around so many ideas just to get to the actual point I want to make and my brother calls this "walking around the lake" to symbolize that I don't really speak plainly. That's why I wanted to get this neuropsychological testing done in the first pace - to show where my laps in communication resides. I found out a big part of it is anxiety and because I have slow memory and processing speed.

I really like that 'walking around the lake' expression.

Yeah, it's cool.

A small pick (sorry), I don't think it's true that most people think in words or pictures, or that some people don't think in ideas. Full functioning people likely use all three.

Oh, ofc i agree that people think in more than one way. Some people just slide toward one side more than the other. You can think about it like E and I.

It also seems like you're putting all these things on the same level, but at least by my estimate, thinking in pictures and words is just a way to express underlying ideas. From this perspective, it sounds like your idea generation is fine while your communication areas might have crossed wires. I have similar issues but only sometimes. I think it's mostly just when anxiety is high it causes a bit of a traffic jam on the communication front and I can't reach the terminology I need to express myself as well as I'd like.

They are both "ideas," I won't argue against that. What I will say though is that some people think more concrete than others. So, like, take a mathematician professor. They will have a proclivity to think more a priori in terms of numbers. This is both learned and inherent. That's actually a very abstract way to think because numbers are abstract. What I am saying is that I think in the abstract in terms of intuition and introversion when it comes to information. I may not be the smartest, BUT I do think pretty much the opposite of concretely. That is what I am saying.

And yes, anxiety is a part of that because anxiety is largely just synonymous with suffering. That's why anxiety is linked to the unconscious - because it dwells in the perspective of the future.

 

[QuickTwist]

Introverted rational types (IxxP) often have problems with communication, since articulation is associated with extroverted judgement which is their inferior.

I don't see how Judging has anything to do with how well someone is understood...

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Introverted rational types (IxxP) often have problems with communication, since articulation is associated with extroverted judgement which is their inferior.

I don't see how Judging has anything to do with how well someone is understood...

I might not have recognised precisely what sort of communication difficulties were being referred to, but do you acknowledge that extroverted judgement functions are the primary ones involved in generating speech?

 

[Gyppo]

I was a bit unsure about the idea of you finding out you're anxious in a test but now I've thought it over and got over that. Good luck, cutie

 

[QuickTwist]

Introverted rational types (IxxP) often have problems with communication, since articulation is associated with extroverted judgement which is their inferior.

I don't see how Judging has anything to do with how well someone is understood...

I might not have recognised precisely what sort of communication difficulties were being referred to, but do you acknowledge that extroverted judgement functions are the primary ones involved in generating speech?

Do you mean Te and Fe?

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Do you mean Te and Fe?

Well, yeah.

 

[QuickTwist]

Do you mean Te and Fe?

Well, yeah.

Yes. I agree.

 

[Hadoblado]

I was a bit unsure about the idea of you finding out you're anxious in a test but now I've thought it over and got over that. Good luck, cutie

You can also look at converging physiological evidence. I had my galvanic skin response and respiration measured at rest.

 

[QuickTwist]

OK, so...

Back on topic.

I see that my VCI and PRI are around the same at ~110 and ~109 respectively. I think they determined this by my scaled scores. For VCI that would be 13 for Similarities and 11 for Vocabulary and for PRI that would be 13 for Matrix Reasoning* and 10 for Block Design.

A Scaled score of 13 is exactly 1 Standard Deviation above average, which equates to an IQ of 115-119. A scaled score of 11 is in the normal range and is an IQ of 105-109. A Scaled score of 10 is an IQ of 96-104.

My VCI and PRI are very close in terms of IQ. I think I know why. I think it is because on the Block Design test I was very close to 11 for the scaled score there. I think this because I recall when I talked to the Neuropsychologist, he said if I would have had just a bit more time, I would have been above average - something like that. The one outlier was the scaled score of 11 for Vocabulary. I can only assume this score was probably on the lower end of IQ for that scaled score. So I guess what I can conclude from this is that my scaled scores of 13 were relatively the same or that my IQ for the Matrix Reasoning was higher than the IQ for Similarities.

The one thing that remains a mystery is why they have an approximation for my VCI and PRI scores.

*Matrix reasoning is what is used frequently in online IQ tests, which is why I typically score higher on online IQ tests compared to the average scores.

 

[Minuend]

Generally the way they pick up that something is wrong is if some of your scores are abnormally different from other scores.

So for example, my working memory is worse than my visuospatial reasoning by an abnormally large amount, which is one part of the diagnostic criteria for any number of conditions. If your sickness globally affected your functioning, they may have just assumed a lower baseline. :shrug:

I scored 140 on processing speed (think that's the upper limit) and 100 on working memory

Other test results were in between 100 and 140, I think.

I did explain the processing test didn't really influence my mental resources and felt easy and light, while the other tests felt like thinking was walking in mud. It didn't seem to matter. It was while being watched by students through a oneside mirror