Forum Mafia Game #2

[Reluctantly]

So I'm going to be real explicit here.

I *know* that they haven't investigated me as red. They can't claim that they have. Because if they do they're instalynched.

A scum would not *know* that they hadn't been read.

Because you didn't know. How could you know that I knew Helvete was town? So you role-blocked instead, because you suspected. Plus, if you suspected, there's a chance doc put his save on me as well. I would have if I had been following along and thought I was an obvious cop.

Sure maybe making it obvious I was cop is genuinely a bad play, but it seems to have paid off here.

 

[Reluctantly]

Wait you still might have missed a post. Helvete, Then you but got role blocked hence claim. (which is a poor reason imo)

you realize I could have easily just lied? But hey, what's the point. i got nothing to hide as a Townie. Hopefully you can see that. Maybe my last past helps make that clear.

 

[Reluctantly]

clarifying post

Because you didn't know, you had a hunch. But how could you know that I knew Helvete was town? It's a 1 in 13 chance that I'd know, so you role-blocked instead, because you suspected and so the doc might suspect as well and save me. That would waste a NK.

Sure maybe making it obvious I was cop is genuinely a bad play, but it seems to have paid off here.

 

[The Gopher]

Lied about what? Sure I realise you could be lying about the claim but it's obvious you aren't. I was just thinking there was no way Hado was posting that if he read your post hence posting it again.

 

[Reluctantly]

I'm saying I could have lied about a red read on Hado, but I'm not. And I'm glad I didn't because it paints a clearer picture without it. I don't need it. Hence the gamble.

 

[Hadoblado]

Well, unless he is Cop and you are mafia. Then it does make sense.

However, fuck it I'm already Role blocked so out with it then

I'm Cop, so that's not possible. Helvete was the initial peak, which was why I wanted him to defend himself and why I was so suspicious of Zerk when Helvete made posts that were in line with a confused town questioning everything and considering all alternatives. I also knew he would be defensive because I knew he was Town. I wanted to see what Zerk would do. She behaved strange by really sticking to Helvete for weird reasons that didn't justify the vote that "she alone" made. No one else agreed with her and she was both unwilling to remove the vote and unwilling to openly consider the Happy vote. Her resistance to my questioning was strange because she was defensive and her door slam on Jenny was weird, though those could have been genuine personality quirks and irrelevant perhaps.


I realize this is a gamble, but hell with it. I'm pretty damn sure he's mafia at this point. And Zerk as well. If it's wrong, oh well, at least I made a move after I thought I had enough to get two mafia, even if it is only the 2nd round.

Also my night pick was Hado, but alas I was role blocked. I did consider lying to you all and saying I "know" he is mafia, but I'm not going to do that in case I'm completely wrong. THough I guess I'll be lynched anyway, but hey whatever.

What you got now Hado?

Ah my bad. Yeah I missed this post.

What do I got?

Well...

1) I predicted Reluctantly not having a read on me. That might be in the post I missed, which would be fucking unfortunate.
2) She's claiming cop on a complete lack of reads. What are the chances that they both got the randomed tip on our mislynch AND then got roleblocked. Apparently she was obvious cop. I thought her too obvious because I explicitly stated that blue roles should not talk about themselves. If she were really cop, there is a fucking good chance she could confirm at least one person town. There was a one in nine chance she got the mislynched player (actually worse than that, since she had some control over the lynch). I can believe she was roleblocked since she did bring attention to herself, but even then, it's like a 40% chance she's roleblocked. That's like 12ish% chance she has no reads.
3) There would be no reason for a scum hado to oust her as cop. Why would I do that? I literally get to NK her. I'm not sure if this interaction happened day one or two, but I could have killed her day one already, or kept quiet and killed her later if I in fact had that read.

So right now I'm torn. The odds of you having no town reads by now is low, but I wouldn't expect a scum to oust themselves like this at all.

 

[Hadoblado]

I'm thinking you're town. As unlikely as it is that all this shit happens, a scum claim at this point doesn't makes sense.

Please answer me this. Why would I point you out if I were mafia and risk this scenario?

I now realise it's possible that a scum hado roleblocked you, and therefore could have known you had no read on me.

 

[The Gopher]

Ahh right right. Yeah no totally.

Okay you know what. I think you're right about hado wrong about zerk. See there are plenty of reasons zerk could be town but a decreasing number that hado could be. I think at the very least


Hado to your last post this.

Because you didn't know. How could you know that I knew Helvete was town? So you role-blocked instead, because you suspected. Plus, if you suspected, there's a chance doc put his save on me as well. I would have if I had been following along and thought I was an obvious cop.

Sure maybe making it obvious I was cop is genuinely a bad play, but it seems to have paid off here.

I have no idea why you would be torn. This is so obviously a cop it hurts. (unless the real cop busts in, in which case reluctantly is the stupidest mafia to ever live)

 

[Urakro]

@Hado

Are you confident in all your reads? Or do you have any doubts? Still having a hard time pegging you right now.

 

[The Gopher]

Woops in my excitement I forgot to finish the first paragraph. Basically Hado's list of why zerk is town is actually a fair list. However that could be because he's mafia and knows she's town.

 

[Reluctantly]

3) There would be no reason for a scum hado to oust her as cop. Why would I do that? I literally get to NK her. I'm not sure if this interaction happened day one or two, but I could have killed her day one already, or kept quiet and killed her later if I in fact had that read.

uh-huh, and yet...this post by you at twilight

Reluctantly is obviously the cop

Honestly, your case on Gopher was somewhat weird, but acceptable coming from you. But this, this was peculiar. Very peculiar. And now I've caught you flat out lying.

 

[Reluctantly]

Mind you, there's even less reason to out me as a TOwnie.

 

[Reluctantly]

WEll, okay so not lying because you're saying "scum Hado" and pretending you're Town, but regardless, why as a Town would you do this at all? Let's DRAW ATTENTION

 

[Hadoblado]

Nah I'm sort of committed to the belief that Reluc is town now. It doesn't make sense for a scum to try this out of nowhere.

Their actions make no sense as cop. They don't seem rational to me, but I've not thought their actions rational all game so that should be expected.

Why does anyone think I would point out a cop if I was scum? Gopher please answer me here. It feels like my only solid defense right now. As scum I could have kept quiet and killed who I thought was cop but opted not to. Instead prodding someone I thought was just doing a Happy from last game.

I explicitly stated that if you're blue you should not talk about your role all the time because it is fed from availability bias and scum can tell this. She then talks about blue roles for days. So to me that means not cop. If it were actually that level of obvious then she'd have been NKed. Not to mention that it's not my job to find the cop.

 

[Urakro]

WEll, okay so not lying because you're saying "scum Hado" and pretending you're Town, but regardless, why as a Town would you do this at all? Let's DRAW ATTENTION

Reluctantly, there's a conspiracy going on between the mafia. We aren't in it. I know you're town. We gotta stop and read, because there's probably some helpful town out there trying to lead us in the right direction right now.

 

[Hadoblado]

Flat out lying? What? Where? I don't think you're comprehending what I'm saying.

You're equating me calling you cop with me ousting you as cop. But a town hado had no such knowledge.

QuickTwist, can I please quote something that *I've* said in my QT?

 

[Reluctantly]

Why does anyone think I would point out a cop if I was scum?

The real question is, why out me as Cop as Town? You've yet to explain yourself at twilight.

Gopher please answer me here. It feels like my only solid defense right now. As scum I could have kept quiet and killed who I thought was cop but opted not to. Instead prodding someone I thought was just doing a Happy from last game.

As I said

Because you didn't know, you had a hunch. But how could you know that I knew Helvete was town? It's a 1 in 13 chance that I'd know, so you role-blocked instead, because you suspected and so the doc might suspect as well and save me. That would waste a NK.

Sure maybe making it obvious I was cop is genuinely a bad play, but it seems to have paid off here.​

I explicitly stated that if you're blue you should not talk about your role all the time because it is fed from availability bias and scum can tell this. She then talks about blue roles for days. So to me that means not cop. If it were actually that level of obvious then she'd have been NKed. Not to mention that it's not my job to find the cop.

Again,

Because you didn't know, you had a hunch. But how could you know that I knew Helvete was town? It's a 1 in 13 chance that I'd know, so you role-blocked instead, because you suspected and so the doc might suspect as well and save me. That would waste a NK.

Sure maybe making it obvious I was cop is genuinely a bad play, but it seems to have paid off here.​

 

[Reluctantly]

Reluctantly, there's a conspiracy going on between the mafia. We aren't in it. I know you're town. We gotta stop and read, because there's probably some helpful town out there trying to lead us in the right direction right now.

If this doesn't convince you, so be it. I'll stay on and grill Hado a bit. If it ends in nothing, so be it. But I feel pretty strongly about this. It's not purely WIFOM or intuition. I had more going on in what I was doing and how I was testing people as Cop. If this isn't convincing for a lynch, I honestly don't think anything will ever be enough.

 

[Hadoblado]

@Urakro
My reads on you, Zerk, and now Reluctantly, are solid.
My green read on Sinny has fallen through.
I had a green read on RB from the events in day one, but it's stale and I haven't payed attention to what he's been saying.

This event here is not mafia machination. This is purely town on town. Even if you assume I'm mafia, it's not a mafia machination because I would never want this to happen as mafia. Reluctantly is green in every scenario. Gopher I don't know about.

 

[Urakro]

Reluctantly, I outed you. Not Hado.

 

[Urakro]

@Urakro
My reads on you, Zerk, and now Reluctantly, are solid.
My green read on Sinny has fallen through.
I had a green read on RB from the events in day one, but it's stale and I haven't payed attention to what he's been saying.

This event here is not mafia machination. This is purely town on town. Even if you assume I'm mafia, it's not a mafia machination because I would never want this to happen as mafia. Reluctantly is green in every scenario. Gopher I don't know about.

Well, he (gopher) sure kinda acts the part.

 

[Reluctantly]

Reluctantly, I outed you. Not Hado.

How do you mean?

Hado was the only to say flat out say that I'm the Cop. That's a bit different.

 

[The Gopher]

Why does anyone think I would point out a cop if I was scum? Gopher please answer me here. It feels like my only solid defense right now. As scum I could have kept quiet and killed who I thought was cop but opted not to. Instead prodding someone I thought was just doing a Happy from last game.

No dude you're on your own, Reluctantly's logic makes sense for several reasons, one because that's what actually happened (he got role blocked instead of Nk'd) and two because your entire blue talk after game is suspicious. you basically told town what you wanted to happen then the NK happened on someone else, someone who was calling you out on your bullshit despite being likely to be lynched. Effectively taking away some of the anti hado support.

Obviously Mafia did fear the doc so they Rb'd the cop and played it safe. Exactly what I would expect you to do.

You know what forget Sinny I wasn't getting anywhere anyway. The case is in my head. My mind has completely changed I've done half the work already I'm going to set it out in as few words as possible and include all references. I'm actually going to filter dive that massive filter that is Hadoblado. I gave you a pass initially because I saw how your thoughts could be the same as mind and it made sense. But then after reading my post it continued. Almost as if you were playing paranoid to get me to think you were paranoid. (it won't be made until after I eat and get back from fencing)

Flat out lying? What? Where? I don't think you're comprehending what I'm saying.

You're equating me calling you cop with me ousting you as cop. But a town hado had no such knowledge.

QuickTwist, can I please quote something that *I've* said in my QT?

I hope you can because otherwise you're getting lynched.

 

[redbaron]

I've said this before, Town has no reason to say they are cop if they aren't.

They really do though. It increases ambiguity over who is or isn't cop. It's a common practice for vanilla townies to make 'cop-talk' and make jokes about having peeked a particular player as town.

Vanilla Town often make light cop discussion or hint in ways like, "if I'm cop I peeked player X and they were town " I'm pretty sure that's what Hado was intending when he said, "Reluctantly is cop" - he thought you were town doing town things to deflect attention off the real cop and he was playing along.

Anyway I thought the idea was to throw off the mafia, and it's why I read you as Town. When I read your post initially I thought you might be mafia and hunting for the cop, but then I thought about what you said - how Town have no reason to claim cop. I believe that you believe this, and it's why I think you're not mafia fake-claiming right now - because in your eyes it's incredibly dumb for mafia to fake-claim because the real cop is sure to counter-claim.

I can't really be bothered going into all the theory and how there's a lot of context and ins and outs of this that you haven't considered: the point I'm making is that I believe that you earnestly believe what you're saying and it's not a mafia ploy.

You're new to the game, but you're not dumb and I doubt you'd make such a risky gambit when you're taking basically zero pressure from anyone anyway. A few people have said you're mildly suspicious but you wouldn't pull this card so early. I read it as genuine frustration and confusion that the town feels dysfunctional.

 

[The Gopher]

Oh! Why has your Sinny read changed pray tell? Is it because you realise if you don't start attacking her as another viable option you're going to get lynched?

 

[Reluctantly]

Urakro, ahve you been paying attention? I played with Zerk, knowing Helvete was Town. She kept giving me scummy results. Her stick on Helvete was odd with Happy being the much safer bet. It never added up. Then we got Hado doing this thing with Gopher (one of them has got to be mafia) and Hado creates this whole argument we're supposed to accept based on his intuition of Gopher IN THE FIRST ROUND, outs me, and constantly backs up Zerk.

Really, if Hado is town, just wow, I don't know what to say. I think I will just chalk it up to a massive ego crush and never play this game again. At least not for awhile anyway...

Let me ask you this, do you ahve a better case than I do? If not, I implore you to at least see if I'm right on Hado.

 

[The Gopher]

Okay sure Rb there's potential reason. But with everything hado has done do you seriously still have a Town read on him. I know I did about a day ago but that was only with great suspension of belief which was shattered when I realised he didn't get my post at all and still thought I was scum for reasons he still hasn't mentioned and then he wanted a pass day two as well.

 

[Reluctantly]

Vanilla Town often make light cop discussion or hint in ways like, "if I'm cop I peeked player X and they were town " I'm pretty sure that's what Hado was intending when he said, "Reluctantly is cop" - he thought you were town doing town things to deflect attention off the real cop and he was playing along.

However, I am new to this game, and I did ask a lot of questions. I wasn't speaking in jest. I was considering my role and later realized I needed to both tone it down and play dumb about the whole cop thing. And again, it was only round 1, the chances of me knowing Helvete was Town was so low that taking a chance to NK me and have the doc save me would have been a waste for mafia. The safer bet was the role-block. If they had known I was playing Zerk, I'm sure I would have been killed, but how would they have known?

I don't see why Hado couldn't have been fishing for information in outing me. It got me to respond and I sent a bluff. The role block and lynch back this up.

 

[zerkalo]

hahahahhahaha and here i thought my play was bad XD
you know, i did feel something was off about the way you were questioning me, they didnt feel like uninformed questions. but being the self doubting botch that i am, i assumed im just THAT bad at playing town. reluctantly if youre cop then im sorry but you've been a very shitty cop. it occured to me that you might have already had a read on helvete or something, i thought my suspicions were quite normal, if anything your incessant questioning of me made me look ten times more obsessed with helvete being scum than i actually was. but this is good it will generate information as peeople were divided on me, some found my suspicions okay, some found them weird but oddly were never asked to explain themselves. my suspicion that youre cop kinda diminished on day 2 because i thought you would have looked into me for sure, i even wrote a whole paragraph on how youre being a shit town because youre making it painfully obvious to mafia that you're not cop by continuing your attack on me but i deleted it bc you seemed to mellow on me later so i thought you might be cop after all and was just protecting yourself

you've been a shit cop though because you were not trying to look at my posts from an unbiased POV, you were out to confirm your pre-conceptions. you made a big mistake by not investigating me

i think i'll post my QT now. i think hado is town now. just because you got RBed doesnt mean hado is scum. i'll post my QT so it stops a chain of town kills from continuing. i believe sinny might be what you're looking for.

 

[Urakro]

How do you mean?

Hado was the only to say flat out say that I'm the Cop. That's a bit different.

Frig,

I said "I'm not the cop!". Royally screwed everything. Making it worse, I pointed right at you saying "It's probably the person who's talking about cops and stuff all the time". Which was obviously you. Dunno what made me do that, probably the chronic-guilt syndrome. We're gonna win though. Sinny is out, and so is Gopher. I might have a good idea of the third, and even the doctor.

 

[Reluctantly]

@RB

Not to mention that again taking Helvete out was the perfect ploy to get attention away from Zerk. Except Hado kept backing Zerk up instead of being neutral. Why do that as Town? It makes zero sense. It's a solid mafia defense, except...they targeted Helvete which I knew was Town. The odds are crazy, but it's true.

 

[The Gopher]

Zerk ask with QT about QT posting. It might be illegal.

 

[Hadoblado]

My sinny read changed to null overtly. I questioned why everyone was seeing her as 'off', and I encouraged everyone to come and drill her so that I could see what they were getting at. I don't trust one person't intuition, but several people were noticing it and I know that my intuition is barely a whisper in comparison to my raging consciousness.

Also, several things which I mentioned:
1) Firstly, she thought I'd be NKed. Sinny does not respect me as an able player. She sees me as a clueless thug, and she expects others to see me the same way she does. It doesn't make sense for a town Sinny to think I'd be NKed.
2) She stopped retaliating. She even kind of cuddled up to me when I said nice things. I didn't want to overtly call her out on this, since it's pretty cuntish to accuse someone for being nice, but that doesn't stop me thinking it. A town Sinny smashes all opposition and has no doubt. The people that point the finger at her are scum.
3) She keeps on saying the word 'conspiracy'. As if she knows that we have a preconception of her being too caught up in conspiracies to act town. Hence she keeps on name-dropping it hoping we pick up on it and dismiss her like we did last game.

These red reads point to her being scum, as does everyone thinking her scum but not being able to explicitly state why. However, I weight that up as her actually being my greenest read from day one (more green than urakro or RB even), which makes me uncertain. Hence wanting more information.

If you really want to pursue this I will provide you with quotes, but I've got a lot on my plate atm.

 

[zerkalo]

Zerk ask with QT about QT posting. It might be illegal.

im going for modkill

 

[The Gopher]

Actually it has to be, otherwise the game would just revolve around people posting QT's. Now I don't mind you getting banned from mafia as it'll help us win the game but that's probably a bad idea.

 

[redbaron]

Okay, fucking fuck. I'm sure that one of Hado or Gopher is mafia, but I still think it's Gopher. He sets me on edge at every fucking turn and I read so much wifom into all of his shit that I can't read him either way.
Why can I not read him? Why? I can infer lots of things with other people, but with Gopher I just get entirely tangled up.

If we lynch Hado and he flips green, can we please lynch Sinny next? I don't even fucking care what order at this point.

@Gopher - you're suspecting both Hado and Sinny, yes? You've said you suspect Sinny but you're now flaking on her in your more previous posts, coinciding with Hado turning more onto her. It looks so weird because you suspected Sinny, but when Hado suspects Sinny...you suspect her less and Hado more?

Will you actually commit to a lynch on Sinny or are you going to flake on it? If we lynch Hado and he flips green, but you refuse to vote Sinny - I'm tunneling you until you're dead because I just can't understand that pattern.

All your posts do is make me read you null. You're the most active poster, and I can't read you either way.

To your own point: A mafia Gopher wouldn't read mafia - you're too good to just look like scum, but the thing is that you don't look like fucking anything, yet your voting patterns and your suspects look scummy to me. You're targeting the people who to me, are town reads - and then the times where your reads really do align with my scum reads...you suddenly flake on them.

Will you put your vote where your mouth is and go after Sinny tomorrow (game version of tomorrow, obviously)?

 

[zerkalo]

but before that. gopher who do you think is scum? and why?

 

[Reluctantly]

hahahahhahaha and here i thought my play was bad XD
you know, i did feel something was off about the way you were questioning me, they didnt feel like uninformed questions. but being the self doubting botch that i am, i assumed im just THAT bad at playing town. reluctantly if youre cop then im sorry but you've been a very shitty cop. it occured to me that you might have already had a read on helvete or something, i thought my suspicions were quite normal, if anything your incessant questioning of me made me look ten times more obsessed with helvete being scum than i actually was. but this is good it will generate information as peeople were divided on me, some found my suspicions okay, some found them weird but oddly were never asked to explain themselves. my suspicion that youre cop kinda diminished on day 2 because i thought you would have looked into me for sure, i even wrote a whole paragraph on how youre being a shit town because youre making it painfully obvious to mafia that you're not cop by continuing your attack on me but i deleted it bc you seemed to mellow on me later so i thought you might be cop after all and was just protecting yourself

you've been a shit cop though because you were not trying to look at my posts from an unbiased POV, you were out to confirm your pre-conceptions. you made a big mistake by not investigating me

i think i'll post my QT now. i think hado is town now. just because you got RBed doesnt mean hado is scum. i'll post my QT so it stops a chain of town kills from continuing. i believe sinny might be what you're looking for.

Funny how you think this is funny. If I'm Town and you are, you should be frustrated not relieved like you appear. And your point about me is null; you went after Helvete like you knew something was going on. You looked incredibly suspicious. If you are Town, thanks for misleading the fuck out of ne. You didn't inspire any kind of confidence of impartiality and the aiming to solve a puzzle of confusion like a Town would because that's where Town are coming from. So no you don't align with a Town read and laugh all you want, but the jokes also on you if you're town.

Frig,

I said "I'm not the cop!". Royally screwed everything. Making it worse, I pointed right at you saying "It's probably the person who's talking about cops and stuff all the time". Which was obviously you. Dunno what made me do that, probably the chronic-guilt syndrome. We're gonna win though. Sinny is out, and so is Gopher. I might have a good idea of the third, and even the doctor.

You were just making observations like a Town would. I never read you as mafia ftr.

 

[zerkalo]

what made you change your mind about hado after the reluctantly incident?

 

[Urakro]

Reluctantly is not shitty player, this game probably would have went a lot smoother if I toned it down.

 

[Hadoblado]

Zerkalo please do not post your QT. Please stay in the game. It's likely not going to go on too much longer anyway. You're confirmed for me, please. Town just took a massive hit already by having this much drama focused on me, by our cop not having any reads at all, and by our cop now being rendered ineffective.

You're actually quite good, and it won't always feel like you're wading through nonsense. If you post your QT you never have the option to play another game again.

 

[Hadoblado]

At best, you're just making it harder for town by suiciding. You can be less active, and even disengage, but please don't suicide because that would actively harm town by making it harder to get majorities. Revealing yourself as green wouldn't even confirm me town because it'd look like a self-bus.

 

[The Gopher]

Well it's because I was 8 pages into reading sinny and people seemed 50-50 split on if she was the same or different. I wasn't finding anything juicy and hado's just been acting awful since the start of day two so I decided it wasn't worth going after second best and went to the Darthpunk School of playing town and decided to go after my top scum read.

There is no reason for second best hence the change in plan.

I don't care if your own incompetence makes you think I'm scum.

If hado flips green I'll probably lynch Sinny. That said I thought it was a Sinny Hado scum team at one point so if Hado does flip green I'll have to reconsider.

Remember part of the reason I was going after Sinny is because I was going for second best not attacking Hado. But if hado changes his read on sinny out of self preservation then maybe she isn't scum.

I don't want to commit to a Sinny vote tomorrow because that could be a Mafia ploy and obviously things change but I would he happy voting Sinny or Hado today. I just want Hado.

 

[Urakro]

what made you change your mind about hado after the reluctantly incident?

Can't provide the reasons. I just know hado is town.

 

[zerkalo]

no that was aimed at gopher

 

[redbaron]

Okay sure Rb there's potential reason. But with everything hado has done do you seriously still have a Town read on him. I know I did about a day ago but that was only with great suspension of belief which was shattered when I realised he didn't get my post at all and still thought I was scum for reasons he still hasn't mentioned and then he wanted a pass day two as well.

The reasoning doesn't add up to me dude. Also, after your massive post and the bombs you said were gonna be dropped, the shocking conclusion of that disturbingly large wall of text was:

"I think Hado is 70% Town."

You're the most active poster in the game, yet you don't really make any reads. Not only that, you're flipping on your reads constantly. Massive case to call Hado town, you suspect Sinny. Then you said you were looking through the thread and now you're finding less suspicion on Sinny and more on Hado?

If hado flips green, I'm tunneling you and Sinny into another dimension. If he flips red, then I want Sinny - and I'll have to evaluate who else #3 would be.

 

[The Gopher]

Oh also because I think RB might be in a scum team with hado. Hence not liking him telling me to do stuff.

but before that. gopher who do you think is scum? and why?

Hado, Sinny, Rb. RB has been for hado all game despite everything Hado has done.

what made you change your mind about hado after the reluctantly incident?

Well that big post I wrote was before the NK. The Nk changed it slightly but I wanted to post it unaltered. At first he pretended to think I was town and that was consistent with my town hado theory that I laid out in my case. Then I realised he didn't actually think that and wanted a pass day two as well. Then he said I was scum but didn't say why which is constant with mafia leaving his options open to lynch me. Then I revisited the blue posting and the cop call and basically we are where we are now.

Also because of how he reacted day two it basically invalidates the reasons I thought he was town so now he also has all the reasons I thought he was scum to answer two in that post I made (the why hado is bullshit part)

And that's how my mind changed.

 

[Urakro]

Lol, yeah normally I wouldn't believe someone instantly but it was so obvious you were the cop. So much blue theory and role talking and attempts at cop wifom.

Gopher, you're like a fricken' robot, dude.

 

[The Gopher]

Well explanation for my reasons for changing are above. I understand why it doesn't add up. I was playing the bait and switch day one but basically tried to be too clever and now think I messed up.

I don't care if you tunnel me to another dimension that's an empty threat that town doesn't need to make. Also because I'm now sure hado is scum. Are you happy lynching hado knowing it means you'll be able to tunnel me to another dimension? Hado's lynch would certainty give the most information out of anyone besides maybe me.

 

[Hadoblado]

Gopher if there's anything you want to mention to me, anything that you were keeping to yourself that you no longer need to in light of your new read on me, please state as much now or forever hold your peace.