Forum Mafia Game #2

[Urakro]

So to the top four group, who are we making a consensus on?

 

[Sinny91]

I don't want to be immature, but my initial thoughts are ...



Fuck you.


Cutting deals on day one an shit. Starting wars, suspending wars, creating arenas...


Go download an actual game why don't you.

 

[Sinny91]

I'm actually happy to bow to Urakros authority, as a leader.

Not you, as a dictator.

 

[Urakro]

nvm my last question. Getting tired, and realized theres still 24 hours left.

@sinny,

I don't know exactly of hado's big plans. But I did suggest at the start there should be order in this game. One of those ideas for more order, was to break up the day into sections, such as,

a first section of claiming our roles, or stating our intentions,
a second section for interrogating people, and
a third section for getting a group consensus for a majority lynch.

It would be important to separate those phases. We can't have the interrogation phase running right up until the last hour, and then scramble together in a hurry to try to get a lynch. Hado suggested earlier we start getting together our votes 12 hours before night begins. I just shrugged, and said yeah, that'll work.

You being on the arena list is important. Kind of like a decoy, if anyone goes against you and tries to lynch you, that's some valuable information there for tomorrow.

 

[QuickTwist]

Special Note:

I'm delaying the Mod kill on Bronto and giving him till EOD to make some headway since I think he is prolly asleep right now.

 

[Hadoblado]

That's cool too, I don't want to be dictator. I was just sick of fucking about potentially doing scum's work for them. You wanted me to tone it down? This is how I'm doing it. You want me to be less controlling? Then so long as town is moving in a pro-lynch direction, I'm backseat for this one. You can be leader for all I care. I won't stop you. Just make a lynch happen. That's my only condition.

Vote: Whoever Sinny votes for

This isn't a real vote, because QT won't accept it. But other than lynching myself, make it happen and I'll follow. I want to see you do things that aren't just oppositional to a perceived hierarchy.

@Urakro
The idea is that the middle of the pack now have some power to make things happen. They can stop sitting by and watching the pissing contest at the top, and take the initiative instead. So they brawl and we act on whatever information comes out.

I'm not forgoing scum hunting completely for us, but it would be nice to let the others have a go.

 

[Sinny91]

@QT, I'd just kill him in his sleep

@Urakro. I don't do schedules, but I do plan ahead.

I trust you, and you have my co operation whilst I'm here.

 

[Sinny91]

Anf cool, thank you, I want to move forwards without having to battle perceived authority. Without all the scum veneer, your a useful Townie. Keep it that way.

Unvote Bronto

 

[Urakro]

@Urakro. I don't do schedules, but I do plan ahead.

I trust you, and you have my co operation whilst I'm here.

Ok, but the thing is, nobody should be a leader nor a follower of anyone else. We all have to take our own initiative, make up our own minds, and contribute.

By contributing, I mean working with other people as well. It's okay to go with a suggestion, even if you don't trust them at all. What's the worst that can happen?

 

[zerkalo]

@bread baron
you misread me, your post is shit because:

IKR LIKE EVERYONE IS HOLDING OFF ON CASES THEY CAN'T ALL BE MAFIA!

also im trying to tie the stuff that have to do with eachother in one post so moving on to bronto

@Zerk, what is your obsession with Bronto anyway? Yeah, he'll get modkilled if QT decides to go through with it, right? If he's town, though, isn't that bad for us? That's why i called him "easy pickings" earlier, but was thinking about other lynches...

geez i mean i dont know what is happening here, either im shit at explaining myself or you guys are reading too much into nothing
jenny i was outlining the difference between active lurker, who definitely should be pressured into producing more content, and inactive. basically i was making the same point you're making; bronto is a meaningless vote, easy picking to quote you, and he's active on the forum but has shown obvious lack of interest in the game so this is not even like artsu who would continue to check back to avoid modkill. which is why im saying @people who vote bronto to stop pretending their votes are worth shit.

The question:Zerk, you have been a mafia last game. What were your thoughts like in the last game? How did you plan on getting by without getting caught? With what methods did you try to seem like a townie?

I have also been looking for inconsistent behavior from the players who played previously. Zerkalo's stands out to me as she is being more active, questioning more things and generally being more ballsy. It occurred to be that if she rolled scum this time it would be unlikely she would play the same as last game and this game she seems to be playing fairly pro town. I'm finding this very hard to read. She said the vote for urakro was to test for others reactions. Now she has voted for me in a similar way (hit and run) but has said she's posting a case later. This is cool, I can see more reason to make a case for me and it seems like a more reasonable vote based on the way I'm being perceived.

sorry urakro but i dont have much to say about last game, i practically waltzed through. didnt even have to make an effort to look more amiable or trustworthy because rb and hado pointing fingers at the wrong people and insisting theyre scum made me more trustworthy by default.

i have done some homework before this game started though, i went through like 5 or 6 mafia games, i read only the entirity of the day 1 phase of each game, then skipped to the spoilers to see who ended up being mafia. thats because imo day1 largely dictates how the rest of the game goes. i found that altho there tends to be a really active mafia, most of the time the players who pose as voices of reason and comment a lot on other players without pushing any particular case are the scum. that's why i am highly suspicious of helvete jenny and now reluctantly as he's treading down the puffy path of posting theories about what mafia and cop would do and bla bla but not really doing much else. RB is right on the money, i think our safest bet is to suspect those who dont seem suspicious, the hardcore null type of posters

@hado and urakro read the above paragraph. you asked for me to outline my thoughts


also @helvete and @urakro im definitely playing out of character in this game but that's not something that should be held against me. typical me is hesitant as hell, obviously that's not helpful for a town-game. and im making an effort to stop hesitating and follow my hunch

incoming more walls of text

 

[Sinny91]

Well, I agree, you are talking to me after all.

But we need a rally point, and you've just been made it.

 

[Reluctantly]

Okay, so sinny is not here and 'under the weather'. Funny, she was fine in the pre-game, even right up to the last page.

Helvete said in the pre-game, that he's applying for a new job. How did the new job go?

Happy is an architect. Though for fun, I did a username search on every person and filtered question marks in this game. Everyone seems to be asking roughly around the same amount of questions, except happy, who's '? per post' is drastically near nothing. I don't know what to make of that or what that really means exactly. I guess he's just not asking anybody questions.

I don't see Reluctantly around very often. And I was in the pre-game looking for her excuse for just drifting around. The only read I have on her is that she works on weekdays.

Some amateur statement analysis:



Don't you mean, mafia has no history of voting patterns?



That's weird. Was that a micro-expression?

Really? That's all you got. Picking apart my grammar. And Well if my zeal for how bad Town was last game is enough to arouse suspicion, then you're either an idiot, grasping at straws, or mafia looking to point fingers on the wrong people. But hey, ill be home soon. Bring it on.

As per my posts yesterday, I won't be around much today. I'll try to be active in the evening.

@Dude with avatar of morphing insect w/ tits:

I don't really have to explain. Are you clutching at straws or something now? I believe I have already stated why, and if I did not address that explicitly then it should have been obvious by now. TL;DR:

wasn't prepared for this sort of intensity; do not have the luxury of knowing Sinny; past experience has taught me that anyone posting lists / being overly helpful is likely a mafia player. But that's all conjecture, and I have long since retracted my vote for her (which was a joke vote, btw). I don't understand why you're pressuring me on a non-issue.

To me, it looks like you're desperately trying to remain relevant somehow. Attempting to blend in by pointing a shaky finger at me, perhaps?

IDK. We can duke it out later.

Alrighty. Figured so, but I needed to hear an explicit reason. I don't suspect you for now.

Zerk on the.other hand, has posted and not addressed my inquiry about her. I don't like that at all.

VOTE Zerkalo

 

[zerkalo]

"incoming more walls of text" means im not done posting

 

[Reluctantly]

And why are you Town sinny? You've been taking a back seat for awhile and just making little comments here and there. When are you going to scum-hunt instead of waiting till round 2. And saying Hado is suspect for the same reasons as last game (when he turned out Town and is a pretty strong Town read up to now) is either stupid or you're mafia trying to appear consistent.

What's your deal?

 

[Urakro]

And I was just about to go to bed.

Really? That's all you got. Picking apart my grammar. And Well if my zeal for how bad Town was last game is enough to arouse suspicion, then you're either an idiot, grasping at straws, or mafia looking to point fingers on the wrong people. But hey, ill be home soon. Bring it on.

It's not just about the grammar. It's about the true, valid science of getting you riled up.

Your very not suspicious. Too not suspicious. Keep good track of your grammar, I'll expect contractions.

 

[Hadoblado]

I'll just pop in for a nudge.

@Reluctantly
Rather than asking Sinny why she is town, ask her who she thinks scum are. In telling you her scum reads, she gives you far more information to indicate her townliness than her telling you she's town.

ATM, if she says she's town, you can't believe her because that's what a scum would say. It's not a useful question. Rather, it forces unnecessary and almost certainly useless defensiveness.

*backs out *

 

[Sinny91]

Well , I can't see why he'd pull the scum gambit twice in a row... And he had a scummy start for me. As it stands, he has toned down the scum.

I'm Town because I drew Town, and Urakro has stole all my thunder. I'm on shitty device and feeling a bit apathetic about it all.

I don't remember day one of the other game being this long or intense at all.

I'm going to ask my bestie if I can take my laptop to his whilst we hang out, but he wont be happy about it.

I might have a couple of ciders and see if I can inject some energy and life into myself. I have work in 11 hours, and might be drunk after that too.

Blehh!!

 

[zerkalo]

Ouch, you actually did respond. Sorry, it got buried in the heap of posts.

*cringe*

Zerk, how can my actions not be town orientated? How could anything I be doing actually help mafia? If I was mafia, I really must have deluded myself in thinking I was a vanilla townie. Out of all 13 players, how in hell did I become the most suspicious?

I've read your comment that you aren't putting much effort into this game, and I am considering that.



You're right, no-one's a mind-reader and thus there shouldn't be any for-sure town reads.

But I am going to be adamant that people really should try to convince people they are town. There is absolutely no reason to try to pretend to be mafia.

So when I say you didn't make much effort to claim as town, I mean that it seems you're coming off as shady, and hoping people just except that. Like,

"I'm not going to try to be town, because no one is going to believe me anyways. It's day 1 and you can't expect anything on day 1"

^This is hog-wash.

no you're right. i had a wtf have i done moment after voting you, i realised your reckless town reads and and pointing of fingers looks more town than anything anyone else has done so far so it was really stupid of me to test waters using you and i'll probably pay for the mess i made...

HOWEVER that is exactly why reluctantly doesnt make sense.
it's interesting that reluctantly sees nothing wrong with my weird and, quoting jenny, seemingly convoluted urakro vote. but finds my perfectly reasonable helvete vote suspicious THAT IVE ALREADY EXPLAINED BUT FOR SOME REASON HELVETE AND RELUCTANTLY ARE IGNORING MY EXPLANATIONS.

@Urakro
I'm not following you on Zerk. There's a lot of posts, but I remember reading her as Town because not only is her posting style different from last game, but it's more in line with Town questioning people and their motivations; plus she's said she won't participate in reading into things too much (something she used freely as mafia in the last game).

What's wrong with Zerk? I might have missed something; I just want to follow you.

@Zerk




Hmm, you started off acting Town, but now your against sorting out Lurkers before going after ambiguous reads...strange.
And then you go after Helvete, throwing out a vote and leaving, despite that Helvete has been just as ambiguous as everyone else. This reeks of someone trying to sow a seed of chaos and then posting later to fan the flames. Not buying it. Explain yourself please.
FOS Zerkalo

reluctantly, why did you ignore this post by me?:

actually never mind i dont have the patience nor time to do post by post analysis of helvete :/ but anyway i'll make my points:
-what i dont like about helvete is that so far he comes across as very null and im inclined to write that off as a scum-leaning read
-says he doesnt like people posting their lists, as mafia could take advantage, but is also responsible(sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly) for the pressure that made most players so far produce their lists
-if you look through helvete's filter it's very difficult to even come up with questions because he has generated no input himself so far. i think it's quite abnormal for town to not openly express distrust towards atleast one player. all he's done so far that comes close to that is exerting very soft pressure on happy in like...the first few posts
-also helvete prefers a lurker mislynch rather than an active mislynch...which i find weird becuase, save for bronto, i think everyone's shown readiness to get involved. i dont think we need to worry about bronto, QT will get him modkilled or replaced if he remains inactive. but other than bronto, everyone expressed readiness to answer other people's questions when theyre free...i guess this is a very weak point but just putting it out there



ok i guess i need to ask you questions then to make you talk
who are your main suspects so far and why?
what did you look to gain from asking happy about my stance on lynching? hado answered this but you didnt
why a lurker mislynch? wouldnt that generate zero input for us for the next game? and anyway what lurker do you have in mind for a lynch?

also i want to apologise to urakro i think i was being an ass to u so far

 

[zerkalo]

you can even see in the below three quotes by me how my suspicion of helvete was gradual and slowly developed over the course of the last 2 days.

@Helvete, hado:
What are you, MCs? you too should share your thoughts

And what's with Helvete? You're playing exactly the way you've played last game. I thought you said you will up your game and be more useful to town so you don't become an easy NK...whatever happened to that? You have yet to make a post with content. So far you've been picking out people eventhough you haven't posted anything meaningful yourself.

actually never mind i dont have the patience nor time to do post by post analysis of helvete :/ but anyway i'll make my points:
-what i dont like about helvete is that so far he comes across as very null and im inclined to write that off as a scum-leaning read
-says he doesnt like people posting their lists, as mafia could take advantage, but is also responsible(sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly) for the pressure that made most players so far produce their lists
-if you look through helvete's filter it's very difficult to even come up with questions because he has generated no input himself so far. i think it's quite abnormal for town to not openly express distrust towards atleast one player. all he's done so far that comes close to that is exerting very soft pressure on happy in like...the first few posts
-also helvete prefers a lurker mislynch rather than an active mislynch...which i find weird becuase, save for bronto, i think everyone's shown readiness to get involved. i dont think we need to worry about bronto, QT will get him modkilled or replaced if he remains inactive. but other than bronto, everyone expressed readiness to answer other people's questions when theyre free...i guess this is a very weak point but just putting it out there



ok i guess i need to ask you questions then to make you talk
who are your main suspects so far and why?
what did you look to gain from asking happy about my stance on lynching? hado answered this but you didnt
why a lurker mislynch? wouldnt that generate zero input for us for the next game? and anyway what lurker do you have in mind for a lynch?

also i want to apologise to urakro i think i was being an ass to u so far

helvete: reply to this^ in the meantime. the promised post im about to write is basically tying the aove three quotes together and adding little more

 

[Sinny91]

I'll just pop in for a nudge.

@Reluctantly
Rather than asking Sinny why she is town, ask her who she thinks scum are. In telling you her scum reads, she gives you far more information to indicate her townliness than her telling you she's town.

ATM, if she says she's town, you can't believe her because that's what a scum would say. It's not a useful question. Rather, it forces unnecessary and almost certainly useless defensiveness.

*backs out *

The question is as good as any other, that's you 'ESC' sort of close minded logic.

 

[Sinny91]

Yea, you are a bit quick on the trigger your self Reluctantly ...

*eyes suspiciously*

 

[Hadoblado]

It was going well, but seems to have ground to a halt?

 

[Reluctantly]

no you're right. i had a wtf have i done moment after voting you, i realised your reckless town reads and and pointing of fingers looks more town than anything anyone else has done so far so it was really stupid of me to test waters using you and i'll probably pay for the mess i made...

HOWEVER that is exactly why reluctantly doesnt make sense.
it's interesting that reluctantly sees nothing wrong with my weird and, quoting jenny, seemingly convoluted urakro vote. but finds my perfectly reasonable helvete vote suspicious THAT IVE ALREADY EXPLAINED BUT FOR SOME REASON HELVETE AND RELUCTANTLY ARE IGNORING MY EXPLANATIONS.




reluctantly, why did you ignore this post by me?:

Eh, anyone can come up with a list of reasons interpreting someone as mafia. You deliberately voted him with what amounts to essentially WIFOM. Now I agree that he's questionable in that he's not actively purused mafia, but he's also not done anyone to suggest he's mafia either. He's essentially a lurker,

which brings me to RB

So you never addressed why you think RB going after Lurkers above ambiguous reads is suspicious. I'd argue the opposite, since mafia will probably be more likely to lurk and sit back and play everyone.

-also helvete prefers a lurker mislynch rather than an active mislynch...which i find weird becuase, save for bronto, i think everyone's shown readiness to get involved. i dont think we need to worry about bronto, QT will get him modkilled or replaced if he remains inactive. but other than bronto, everyone expressed readiness to answer other people's questions when theyre free...i guess this is a very weak point but just putting it out there

Again, you are suggesting that not going after lurkers is a good idea. However, there don't seem to be any clear indications of mafia at this point. And honestly, I don't think most here could pull off being an active mafia and not raise serious suspicion. You on the other hand keep raising this silly point, which is highly suspect. You gave a tell, I think.

And your Urakro vote seemed like you were trying to get him/her to defend themselves, applying pressure. I guess it was just easier for me to see that, given I had a strong Town read on you at the time. Not so sure anymore.

 

[Reluctantly]

Yea, you are a bit quick on the trigger your self Reluctantly ...

*eyes suspiciously*

*eyeroll*

I know you're smarter than that. Well, maybe not smart enough to play as mafia.

 

[The Gopher]

Yeah Urok went to bed and we need reluctantly back in here and for zerk to finish her other case that she's "äbout to right". Also gonna kinda back hado up on the whole ask for scum reads thing but any question that can help determine their motives is good.

Also about the whole stand off thing 5 people maybe 6 or more have agreed to or suggested it or think it's a good idea. This means even if all the mafia wanted it at least the same amount of town think it's a good idea.

 

[The Gopher]

Welp nvm keep it up folks. Will be back later.

 

[Hadoblado]

Wait so you're expecting this case just before lynch/or at twilight?

 

[The Gopher]

Oh well that seemed to be what you implied? I'm happy after if that's what you mean.

 

[The Gopher]

Oh either.

 

[The Gopher]

Twilight makes most sense if it's allowed. QT IS IT ALLOWED?

 

[Hadoblado]

It's allowed. But we don't know how long twilight is. So it's safer if I do it immediately after/before the final vote.

 

[QuickTwist]

Twilight makes most sense if it's allowed. QT IS IT ALLOWED?

Twilight is the time it takes me to do a final VC for the day. So basically, As soon as a majority is reached it is twilight until I post the final VC. Once I post the final VC it is Night.

 

[The Gopher]

Okay sounds good. As long as hado is awake that's plenty of time or should be.

 

[redbaron]

I don't actually like the Reluctantly wagon. Guy strikes me as well-intentioned town, saying things that aren't necessarily best strategy overall but I see where he's getting it from.

e.g. discussing power roles is generally just bad because it creates confusion for everybody involved, both town AND mafia. And before anyone says, "but isn't confusing mafia bad?" I just want to point out that it confuses everyone - town included. Except there's one big difference - mafia already have a massive information advantage, so they deal with confusion much better.

Secondly, he's created a massive WIFOM when and/or IF it comes to reveal time. Since he's talked about how mafia won't role reveal because the real power role would know and call them out - so we'd know who was fake or not - what's to stop mafia from using the same tactic? Wait for the real cop/doctor to call them out and then call them on it as if they're the real cop/doctor? We'll never know who to trust now because Reluctantly's already created wifom around the whole situation.

ALL THAT SAID: I don't think he's mafia. He's read some guides, he's thinking strategy and he's earnestly trying to help town. I'm pretty okay with standing by that conviction, because even though saying it was bad: he's entirely correct about how the situation would and should go down, and the strategy that the power roles should play (not revealing too early etc.)

So I don't have him as a high scum read, because he wouldn't go and share a really good strategy that benefits Town. Would he do it just to fuck with us all? Okay, maybe...but we wouldn't know he was fucking with us until he actually flipped red or got read by the cop - which means that we wouldn't question his good strategy until he was already dead...which would be pointless.

So it leaves me with two possibilities:

#1 is that Reluctantly shared a really good strategy with town to help town, because he's town
#2 is that Reluctantly shared a really good strategy with town to ultimately hinder town and to try and look more town. But he's not actually trying that hard to look town in my eyes, so if this was his ploy...it's not consistent with how scum Reluctantly would play that card overall.

 

[redbaron]

I don't actually like the Reluctantly wagon. Guy strikes me as well-intentioned town, saying things that aren't necessarily best strategy overall but I see where he's getting it from.

EBWOP: his comments about how power roles should play are good strategy in terms of content, it's just the act of bringing it up that wasn't - is what I'm saying.

 

[Reluctantly]

Secondly, he's created a massive WIFOM when and/or IF it comes to reveal time. Since he's talked about how mafia won't role reveal because the real power role would know and call them out - so we'd know who was fake or not - what's to stop mafia from using the same tactic? Wait for the real cop/doctor to call them out and then call them on it as if they're the real cop/doctor? We'll never know who to trust now because Reluctantly's already created wifom around the whole situation.

I think you misunderstand. If someone reveals as Cop, the rest of the Town have no reason to also reveal as Cop, unless they are Cop. So if one person reveals as Cop and no one says anything about it, it can pretty much be assumed they are the Cop. If two people claim Cop, you know one is and one isn't. If three claim Cop, two aren't and one is. It's not hard to figure out. Yes, you'd eliminate a Cop to get a mafia; or in the case of only the Cop claiming Cop, you'd at least know some 100% reads before they get killed. Or in the case that the Doc is still alive and the RB dead, Cop has free reign to rally the rest of town around a baseline of 100% accurate reads.

Anyway, I forgot about RB essentially. My bad, whatever. People can read into that if they want. I don't really care, that's the truth, whether they like it or not or don't believe me.

 

[zerkalo]

sorry for the delay i got interrupted
ok here's why i think helvete is more suspicious than the other "active lurkers" so far:

this is the last day of the first day phase and so far there is absolutely nothing to find in helvete's filter. nothing. all he's done so far is ask persons what they think of persons.
helvete knows content-less game post history equals to mysterious NK or lynch to town. he has interacted with everyone so far(i think?) but put forth no input of his own. his interactions with all the players were similar. this goes against his own declared intention to change play-style in the post-game thread. it's unnatural and definitely worse play than his first game as town. i recall him calling people out in game 1 and actually voting at some points i think. i also remember him making a ballsy but reasonable suggestion that hado and rb's initial attacks on eachother could be just a show. his play in this game so far does not even level to his previous play. and helvete knows it. and it's been pointed out by several people other than me and yet he's still not talking and he dodged that post i made where i asked him questions.

Eh, anyone can come up with a list of reasons interpreting someone as mafia. You deliberately voted him with what amounts to essentially WIFOM. Now I agree that he's questionable in that he's not actively purused mafia, but he's also not done anyone to suggest he's mafia either. He's essentially a lurker,

which brings me to RB

So you never addressed why you think RB going after Lurkers above ambiguous reads is suspicious. I'd argue the opposite, since mafia will probably be more likely to lurk and sit back and play everyone.

because everyone so far has been a lurker save for maybe gopher? yes inclusing rb and hado. all their railing of eachother has not really meant anything to others because everyone's confused as to how to read them and theyre not making an active effort to push on others outside their group. not only that but he chose select people to talk

Again, you are suggesting that not going after lurkers is a good idea. However, there don't seem to be any clear indications of mafia at this point. And honestly, I don't think most here could pull off being an active mafia and not raise serious suspicion. You on the other hand keep raising this silly point, which is highly suspect. You gave a tell, I think.

again, what lurkers are we talking about here? everyone?

And your Urakro vote seemed like you were trying to get him/her to defend themselves, applying pressure. I guess it was just easier for me to see that, given I had a strong Town read on you at the time. Not so sure anymore.

true
and fair enough i retract what i said regarding you about your stance on my urakro vote, i just assumed since so many people found it suspect, that you're suspect for not suspecting...i guess im just a little paranoid/overthinking. i thought if town people start find my actions suspicious then i have not achieved anything in the case i get lynch/nk would mean people will have trouble discerning genuine suspicions of me from mafia opportunistic voicing of suspicion of me after i flip green

my head hurts...any more questions?

 

[zerkalo]

ugh sentence structure in last paragraph is terrible

edited:
"and fair enough i retract what i said regarding you about your stance on my urakro vote. i just assumed since so many people found it suspect, that you're suspect for not suspecting...i guess im just a little paranoid/overthinking.
i thought if town people start finding my actions suspicious, then i have not achieved anything, because, in the case i get lynched/nk, people will have trouble discerning genuine suspicions of me from mafia opportunistic voicing of suspicion of me after i flip green"

 

[zerkalo]

I think you misunderstand. If someone reveals as Cop, the rest of the Town have no reason to also reveal as Cop, unless they are Cop. So if one person reveals as Cop and no one says anything about it, it can pretty much be assumed they are the Cop. If two people claim Cop, you know one is and one isn't. If three claim Cop, two aren't and one is. It's not hard to figure out. Yes, you'd eliminate a Cop to get a mafia; or in the case of only the Cop claiming Cop, you'd at least know some 100% reads before they get killed. Or in the case that the Doc is still alive and the RB dead, Cop has free reign to rally the rest of town around a baseline of 100% accurate reads.

Anyway, I forgot about RB essentially. My bad, whatever. People can read into that if they want. I don't really care, that's the truth, whether they like it or not or don't believe me.

you know im finding this cop talk on day 1 useless. cop doesnt have reads yet so what's the point of claiming now? literally anyone can claim. and doctor will have trouble discerning who to protect, but mafia will know who the fake claims are if theyre the other claimers.

 

[Reluctantly]

this is the last day of the first day phase and so far there is absolutely nothing to find in helvete's filter. nothing. all he's done so far is ask persons what they think of persons.
helvete knows content-less game post history equals to mysterious NK or lynch to town. he has interacted with everyone so far(i think?) but put forth no input of his own. his interactions with all the players were similar. this goes against his own declared intention to change play-style in the post-game thread. it's unnatural and definitely worse play than his first game as town. i recall him calling people out in game 1 and actually voting at some points i think. i also remember him making a ballsy but reasonable suggestion that hado and rb's initial attacks on eachother could be just a show. his play in this game so far does not even level to his previous play. and helvete knows it. and it's been pointed out by several people other than me and yet he's still not talking and he dodged that post i made where i asked him questions.

Fair enough. He needs to come back and alleviate suspicions.

because everyone so far has been a lurker save for maybe gopher? yes inclusing rb and hado. all their railing of eachother has not really meant anything to others because everyone's confused as to how to read them and theyre not making an active effort to push on others outside their group. not only that but he chose select people to talk

hmm, funny I read them just fine. They are trying to pressure people. Sure they tunnel at times, but their intentions all align with Town's goals up to this point.

And for some reason you refuse to answer why going after ambiguous reads on people is better than going after lurkers. What logic are you playing at here? If you can answer this in a way that makes sense, I'll unvote you. But right now, it stands.

again, what lurkers are we talking about here? everyone?

Happy
Cheeseums
Jenny
Helvete
Neither of these have gone after anyone or produced any reason to think they are here for Town. Sure they have stuff going on, but it doesn't alleviate the potential for one or two to be mafia, biding their time.

Bronto is probably going to get modkilled. Pmj I feel has explained himself enough for now; everything he says just fits with a vexed Townie.

 

[Sinny91]

I would be expecting a lot more activity from Helvete by now, I think.

I think Cheese and Jenny have both done their part to help maintain the integrity of the town, circumstances given.

I'm confident in Urakro being a dedicated Towns member. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I could get one more strong read on Town. I think I get a Townie read from Hado.. But I'll always be cautious of his antics.

Zerk as returned as helpful Townie once more.. Her excuses are plausible, but aren't everybody's ...

Gopher also feels like an innocent Townie to me, but I'm weary all the same, I just don't know who's playing us right now.

I think Happy could definitely be saying more.

Mixed feelings about Baron. There's a lot of logical consistency there, but then some weird approaches which I don't understand.

Reluctantly does strike me as Town for the most part, but I'll admit, I'm just looking for scum in the relationships dynamics, and there's a whole Zerk - Reluctantly dynamic I have been entertaining. I feel like I should distrust one of you at least.

Pmjpmj, not sure what to make of him...

I'm on laptop for the next few hours, before I leave for work. You'll find an improvement in my posts from now..

 

[Reluctantly]

AND SINNY

WELL WELL WELL

Don't think I've forgotten about you. You're still lurking and have provided very little content compared to the active lurkers.

I'm still waiting on your explanation. And no, saying things are too ambiguous is ridiculous at this point with so content to work with. Either you are a crap town not even trying or a mafia waiting for a chance to direct attention on Townies. And so far, that's all you've done.

 

[Reluctantly]

Nevermind disregard last post. Looks like Sinny finally decided to post about everyone.

 

[Reluctantly]

And still need to hear from

Happy
Jenny
Cheeseums
Helvete

 

[zerkalo]

And for some reason you refuse to answer why going after ambiguous reads on people is better than going after lurkers. What logic are you playing at here? If you can answer this in a way that makes sense, I'll unvote you. But right now, it stands.

Ermm. ..where did I say that?
I mean. ...just what is the issue here? I think I have a strong case on Helvete, he's also on your lurker list and you even agreed with me. Are you agreeing with my case even though you think it's an ambiguous read or what? What are we even disagreeing about?

Happy
Cheeseums
Jenny
Helvete
Neither of these have gone after anyone or produced any reason to think they are here for Town. Sure they have stuff going on, but it doesn't alleviate the potential for one or two to be mafia, biding their time.

Bronto is probably going to get modkilled. Pmj I feel has explained himself enough for now; everything he says just fits with a vexed Townie.

Where's sinny on your list?

 

[Reluctantly]

Ermm. ..where did I say that?
I mean. ...just what is the issue here? I think I have a strong case on Helvete, he's also on your lurker list and you even agreed with me. Are you agreeing with my case even though you think it's an ambiguous read or what? What are we even disagreeing about?

Oh no you don't. You got on Hado for going after lurkers over going after active players. Then you used Helvete doing the same to suggest that he's mafia.

I'm asking you, as I have already, more than once, to tell me why going after active players and leaving lurkers alone is wise for town.



Where's sinny on your list?[/QUOTE]

just forgot, like it's not obvious I'm on Sinny. Seriously, this is your play, to nitpick me on details? Are you urakro now? It's not working.

 

[Reluctantly]

Correction to the above. When I said "Hado" I meant "redbaron"

 

[zerkalo]

I was ninjad by your post. how was i supposed to know what you're currently thinking of sinny

M8 im beginning to get annoyed. I literally got the 3 top posters to get off eachother and focus on the others (namely: the lurkers you listed). And I'm hunting down one of the lurkers as they stand out more than the others. What else did I say? Oh yes that Bronto need not be an issue, basically I'm narrowing down the lynch pool to actual detrimental lurking

 

[zerkalo]

I even stated that rb hado and gopher being ambiguous reads for almost everyone so far(as proffessed by the majority of posters), as reason for them to stop grilling eachother and start hunting others. What are you talking about

 

[Reluctantly]

And I repeat

You got on Red Baron for going after lurkers over going after active players. Then you used Helvete doing the same to suggest that he's mafia.

I'm asking you, as I have already, more than once, to tell me why going after active players and leaving lurkers alone is wise for town.​

Zerkalo will not address this. My vote stands firmly on Zerkalo. I recommend a lynch on Zerk. I think she's lying, gave a tell, and doesn't know what to say to defend herself. And changing the subject isn't going to make it go away.