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Da Blob
6th-November-2009, 07:16 PM
"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practice resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life, to cut a broad swath and shave close, to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms, and, if it proved to be mean, why then to get the whole and genuine meanness of it, and publish its meanness to the world; or if it were sublime, to know it by experience, and be able to give a true account of it in my next excursion." H. D. Thoreau

I wonder if there are not two types of philosophy? One is the philosophy of the natural world and the second, a philosophy of the man-made world. What philosophy would have Thoreau generated had he written “In Boston” and not “On Walden Pond”? Or for that matter, what this essay would have turned out to be, if titled “In Ruts” instead “On Ruts” – but I digress into the human relationships of prepositions…

I live on a farm that has been in our family (or vice versa) for over a century. Over the decades, it seems that a ritual has developed concerning for searching for “The Lost”. Cattle occasionally ‘disappear” and it is the responsibility of the Family to discover the whereabouts of the missing, because if the animal is in distress, then we are its only saviors. Unlike others, we do not cull the herd of the old, but rather allow an old cow to live out her life in the only home she had ever known. So, every so often, the search for the missing is the search for the dead.

Needless to say, that for me, these searches were often occasions to wax philosophical. During one such opportunity, I was at the Fence line, which was merely the suggestion of a boundary composed of a few strands of rusted wire, rather than a effective barrier that could prevent a thousand pounds of determined beef from transgressing it. Precisely 24 inches inside the fence was the path the cattle had taken while ‘walking the fence line”. I mused that the deep rut that had been created from that original path of the ‘first’ cow by untold thousands of cattle over the past century was actually a more effective barrier than the fence, itself. I wondered if the ‘walking the fence” behavior was not some sort of religious ritual on their parts or a scientific endeavor to learn “what is it that is “Out there” in the world that we can not travel to?” The third possibility, which was the most probable, and at the same time most disheartening was that the behavior was just a habit, a bit of programming caused by the causality of Stimulus and Response. Cattle are, after all, simply creatures of habit. But alas, so are Men also constrained by the imagined boundaries of habit rather than real boundaries…

But I digress – this particular rut was on a hillside and toward the bottom of the hill it had become a course for rainfall as well as a course for cattle, a sad sort of streambed with out any scenic attributes. Erosion is a powerful force in this part of the world and the element of Earth cannot stand against the combined onslaught of the elementals of water and air, so that this rut was only a streambed for a very short distance before it became a gulch. The last rain had taken ten feet from the path and made it a part of the gulch. At that place, I found the carcass of She that I was searching for… She oddly looked so much smaller crumpled in death, than when alive. I still wonder what caused that particular cow’s demise at that particular time and place. Could it have been an act of mercy, the culmination of the religious ritual of ‘walking the fence”? Was it the testing of a scientific hypothesis, that the path existed even though it was not observable? Or the third possibility, which is the most probable and yet most disheartening, that the cow was compelled into committing suicide by the force of habit.

Alas, Mankind also is enslaved by habits. Every habit is a temporal cycle that has evolved into a rut. Every psychological problem is merely a rut. The ‘high-minded’ city folks, with their buildings that reach to the barrier of the skies, actually live in the shadows of those buildings in deeply-eroded invisible ruts. However, this is a statement of a hick, an Okie, a country bumpkin… those who live in those Ivory Towers that reach to the boundaries of the skies have their own philosophy…

Da Blob
7th-November-2009, 04:01 PM
Hmmm zero comments, did not take this thread long to get flushed... And I thought it was of a good enough quality to be thought-provoking...?

I wondered what would have happened if i had simply presented the hypothesis that people who rely on routine become vulnerable to the forces of nature and victimized by ideals? But, No, I had to get fancy...

Ashenstar
7th-November-2009, 04:24 PM
Hmmm zero comments, did not take this thread long to get flushed... And I thought it was of a good enough quality to be thought-provoking...?

I wondered what would have happened if i had simply presented the hypothesis that people who rely on routine become vulnerable to the forces of nature and victimized by ideals? But, No, I had to get fancy...

Oh don't think it's because your post is "fancy". It was a rather thought provoking post. However, thought provoking posts cause me to commence thinking.. instead of posting.

However, this is a statement of a hick, an Okie, a country bumpkin…Reminded me of a song that, despite my love of aggressive angry "hard" music I have a strange soft spot for.

"She said 'Hello, country bumpkin
How's the frost out on the pumpkins?
I've seen some sights but, man, you're somethin
Where'd ya come from, country bumpkin?"

Agent Intellect
8th-November-2009, 04:06 AM
Interesting concept (sort of reminds me of the allegory of the cave), but I wonder where these boundaries lay for us, particularly for myself. It's easy for people to point out the boundaries of other people and wonder to ourselves why people adhere to them, but the boundaries we ourselves adhere to seem almost invisible to us, yet continuously 'keep us in our place'.

I know for myself, one thing that often puts me 'in my place' is the realization (or perhaps excuse making) of how insignificant I am. I sometimes have fantasies about some sort of Project Mayhem like revolution in America to wake people up from their zombie like consumerism and lethargic daze that permeates their "I do what I need to do and know what I need to know and nothing more" lives, but the daunting task of garnering support for such a feat dissuades me from even trying.

I also have the self imposed barrier of never thinking I'm good enough (usually for my own standards, but childhood trauma has imposed external standards of 'good enough' as well), which certainly affected my attitude towards education - causing me to give up once I reached middle school, and after high school live in a drunken quagmire of depression before finally getting my ass in gear.

But even aside from the invisible barriers to practical matters, I'm often painfully aware of the limits to my own intelligence. I think there are boundaries that emerge from purely physical means when it comes to intelligence, but I'm also very aware that I live my life inside a self manifested box, constructed primarily of laziness (procrastination), apathy, depression, and personal bias.

Not only am I unable to see the forest through the trees, I'm often unaware that there is even a forest to be seen. Unquenchable curiosity and open minded skepticism is my 'religion' but much like the Christians to Christ, I find that it's an impossible ideal to live up to and I fall short by a glaringly large margin. I guess what I'm saying is, just like the cows and the fence, there are barriers in the way, but given enough determination they can almost always be broken through - the problem is, that means making an effort and putting in work, which is certainly not the path of least resistance that everyone (including myself) are more likely to take.

I think there are a lot of people who want these sorts of boundaries imposed on other people, though. Thinking individuals are more difficult to herd then cats, so making people believe that they need to do this or that, or that they can't do this or that is advantageous to certain groups of people. It's the sort of mindset I mentioned earlier, about peoples insignificance - the idea of "what can I do?" or even "It's too difficult for me".

Safety is generally anybodies number one concern, and it's not just physical safety, but mental and emotional safety. I know that I can often come off sounding like a real prick because I have a tendency to question the assumptions that people have built around themselves for intellectual safety. People don't like it when the foundations of their mental framework are shaken - and I am certainly no exception to this, although I usually try to catch myself when I withdraw further into the safety of my own assumptions and mental constructs (an exercise in futility if ever there was one).

People have a tendency to compare things to how they believe the world should be and not how it is and we all live our lives by these should be standards - and this is probably the biggest self imposed boundary that anybody has constructed for themselves.

The other self imposed boundary that affects probably all of us is relinquishing of control; the way that everyone looked to the new president as a savior for the American economy, and then started to turn against him within a years time. 'Somebody else' always has to drag us kicking and screaming into a paradigm shift, because "what can I do?" People put all of their faith and all of their dependence in the authorities, believing somebody else will fix their problems and figure out the solutions.

Most people (especially in America, I can't really speak for anywhere else) have been indoctrinated to believe that their whole lifes purpose is to act as a tiny component in the colossal machine: you go to school to pass tests and you pass tests to get a job, then you die. Just today someone at my work asked me what I was going to school for and when I replied "probably either biology or physics" they replied "what can you do with a degree in those?" as if what I can do with them, as far as financially/economically I imagine, is the only clear standard by which to judge somethings value. If you don't need something or it isn't what one would deem useful in an economic sense, then it need not even be considered.

People also relinquish control by putting 'blame' on other people or factors. We do this or that because it's how we were raised; we act a certain way because that's how (insert race, sex, religion, culture/subculture, political affiliation, nationality, personality type etc) is supposed to act. I suppose a lot of this comes from people not wanting to be the outsider, but people will willingly limit themselves so fit the mold. A lot of sexist and racist stereotypes become self fulfilling when people of a certain sex or race are indoctrinated to think they are supposed to think or behave a certain way. But I think this is defeatist, because anybody has the capability to break free of these molds, and it's only intellectual laziness from within that prevents people from doing so (and I'm well aware that I am probably just as guilty as anybody of this 'sin').

Anyway, I don't know how on topic I was, but this was rather stream of conscious... take it as you please.

Da Blob
8th-November-2009, 04:35 AM
Well Thanks for your response and comments AI- as usual they were thought provoking in themselves.

I have an unfocused image now of a factory /school where individuals allow themselves to be put into invisible molds composed of the ethereal substance of their own fears and become 'shaped' to fit the needs of the 'oppressors'...

At an early age I learned the utility of confronting my own fears. It is sad, childhood "is" the time for the testing of boundaries, but how many of us are gently encouraged to test the boundaries of fear? It seems rather to be the fear of social rejection, being labeled a coward, a baby or worse, that causes many to 'attack' any fears whatsoever, it seems that there might not even be such a human quality as courage. The courageous may simply fear something more than they fear death or whatever...

What a horrible life to be enslaved by one's own invisible fears! It is much like the fence beyond the rut produced by fear. It might not even be a real barrier, just the suggestion of a barrier, just the promise or threat of a pain - which in reality might be quite tolerable as the price of freedom from fear and a rut-bounded, habit-driven routine that is actually a parody of life, and not Life itself...

Just thinking...

merzbau
8th-November-2009, 07:43 AM
great post da blob, was like reading a novel.

i believe much of what we desire is taught - illusions embedded into us from an early age - and our primary task is liberate ourselves from the illusions, to discover what we actually want out of life. our boundaries are self-imposed, the territories they outline say more about our fears and insecurities than our limitations.

that's where i am at the moment, holding down a job, playing the game because i'm too afraid of striking out on my own, and feeling miserable about it much of the time.
there are just too many unknown variables to think about, so i put them off, year after year. i have the abilities, but lack the courage to push myself into it. i just hope when i finally make the leap it won't be too late.