Defining an enigma.

[Cegorach]

I have been questioning the type of FacetiousPersona and began to wonder how others may perceive hir, when I realized it would be more efficient and accurate to simply ask.
I have an unhealthy obsession with those who may be misunderstood, outcasts, or troubled and I need to compile all available data and ultimately understand their psyche, so I humbly implore you to feed my compulsion and put my mind to rest. I appreciate any and all considerate answers and thank those individuals who do take the time to help me.

What MBTI type do you believe FacetiousPersona to be?

Why do you believe this/ how did you come to this conclusion?

[Artifice Orisit]

An ENTP who has gone they way of evil and foolishly wandered into the forum of darkness.

That would be here.

[cheese]

Yes, Face interests me very much as well.

I have an unhealthy obsession with those who may be misunderstood, outcasts, or troubled and I need to compile all available data and ultimately understand their psyche

Same.

I think you're ENTP, by the way, although we've been through this already and it isn't relevant to the topic.

Face is INTP with the confidence of a J, judging by its posts. I do not think ESFP/J is at all likely. I have posted about this elsewhere as well.

1. Spends a lot of time online - unusual for E.
2. Draws many appropriate analogies - strong N
3. Posts are almost entirely devoid of a self-referrent. The sentences appear to come from a completely detached and objective robot mind. Possibilities, not opinions, are stated.
4. Incisive, trenchant analysis - very strong Ti, which is concerned with naming, categorising and the drawing of conceptual boundaries/defining definitions.
5. Dismal Fe. Heh. This explains the "insults" - merely Ne and and untempered Ti taking over.

Face has a very distinct flavour. Very strong preferences, I think. (Face would word this "The preferences appear to be very strong" - attaching itself to a thought is pretty much unread-of.) Alternatively it could be a very intelligent ESFJ under strong and continual stress - ie its shadow functions are on display.

[Melkor]

Heres an enigma!


Why would anyone truly care what MBTI Face is?

In fact, the sentence can be simplified, in order to be more widely used.

Why anybody Face care?

[Seducer of the Homeless]

soft as a babies arse....

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Obvious INTP. And I'm sure Face will come in and comment about what a 'mystery' his type is. That's pretty annoying.

[Cegorach]

Cognisant:
Your hypothesis is certainly possible, Extraversion could be reflected in the amount Face had originally posted (40 per day) and the amount of time that they spend on this forum could be assumed to be a product of E as well.
If they were in an isolated external environment Extraversion could be displaced into web-based activities that would allow them to fulfill thier need for social conduct.


cheese:
I agree with your general thesis, this was the type I considered the most appropriate. However I am slightly perplexed that no one has considered the possibility of them being a Sensor... Though they make many appropriate analogies I believe they are at very least a borderline N as they demonstrate many behaviours and preferances that could potentially be linked to a Sensor.


Melkor(Melly):
The intent of my inquiries lay far beneath the apparent surface motives and have deeper incentive than the question may originally imply, have you ever wondered what sets the outcast apart from thier standardized environment or why others are so ready to disallow capable individuals to fulfill thier potential if said individuals exibit a habit they consider unsavory; be it beneficial or not. (Such as young children and bullying nerds in schools.)
Further scrutiny has bolstered my ability to recognize several reasonable conclusions. ( Yes, I have done research as well)
I just need a simple answer to a simple question because the wider the speculation the more accurate the inquiry. When I am ready I will uncover further rationale for my odd questions.
For now, just understand that this is how I operate and I need privacy of my further schema in order for me to apply myself to it fully.


SotH:
Lol, thank you for your insightful imput!:D


civilianjones:
Face may or may not do this, but I believe that they are currently familiarizing themselves with the attitude of this forum and will probably resist making such an action if it is clearly unwelcome.

[cheese]

I actually suspected Face of being S at one point, because its posts were extremely focused on specific details. But I believe this is better attributed to strong Ti and the typical INTP rapier-like precision.

What reasons do you have for thinking Face is a Sensor?

[Cegorach]

cheese:
I found that Face can often be interested in accurate facts and will occasionally ignore more abstract possibilities. The following is taken from one of thier more recent posts as a quick example of my analysis...

"This is an INTP forum, though. I expected blunt truths and accurate facts to be valued....."

I accept either possibility as plausible. I was merely questioning why others had yet to see the possible correlation between Face and Sensing.

OH and Thanks for playing along with my creepy obsession!:D:D

[FacetiousPersona]

I accept either possibility as plausible. I was merely questioning why others had yet to see the possible correlation between Face and Sensing.

You could have stated the same regarding feeling opposed to thinking. Perhaps there is a personal reason for you targeting sensing instead of feeling as an opposite possibility.

[cheese]

I used to think I might be S as well because of that. It really isn't solely an S trait however. Ts are very interested in facts. Remember INTPs are dominant T, not N. Facts are facts - abstract "possibilities" that negate these facts are not possibilities. Extrapolating from facts to various possibilities - that's N.

No problem - I'm pretty creepy about it myself. :phear::D:evil:

[Cegorach]

FacetiousPersona:
Hm, I'm not so certain that your Fi or Fe functions are prominent.. at very least they seem to be heavily overshadowed by your Thinking function, so I didn't give the idea much consideration.
Personal reasons? Perhaps... I attempt to be considerate of how much our subconscious can potentially hide from us and am always suspicious of my own motives.

cheese:
Oops, I actually forgot to mention something else!
Face often seems to be seeking immediate indulgence and can occasionally act rashly despite probably being an Introvert, this is a behavior I have mentally documented in several sensors that I am aware of; particularily SP's. Se is the secondary function in ISTP's and appears to be correspond with many of Faces behaviours, which allows me to consider it a rational possibility.

[cheese]

Heh. Face is highly intelligent. Do not mistake its behaviour for rashness. What you see as experiential indulgence is mental stimulation.

Face = SP = big belly laugh


*edit
Just thought I'd come back and say - THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE INSULTING, COW! It's just my opinion - of course I could be wrong etc. The forcefulness of my reply simply reflects the strength of my conviction, but as a P I recognise the possibility of error and am happy to be corrected! :)

[Cegorach]

cheese:
Hahaha, well I actually agree with you; though I may not be quite as certain.;)

I am well aware that downplaying your capabilities and guiding others into considering you less accomplished than you may be is an intricate part in manipulating the average person.
The key to being successful at it rests in your ability to gain trust while simultaneously creating an illusion that others can believe, I have practiced this and am fully aware of it's effectiveness. But I'm not entirely convinced that Face is doing this, although I believe that they may have an overarching plan they also seem to be a lot more straight-forward than others give them credit for.

Oh, and I'm not manipulating anybody on this forum; this is a place for my mind to rest and for me to experiment with ideas instead of illusions.
The proof of this is in the fact that I revealed that I practice it in RL, I would never mention the possibility otherwise as it destroys any possibility of further deception.

[cheese]

There is no "proof" when talking about manipulation. I've got my eye on you now....:phear:

Your thought process regarding Face is quite similar to mine. Semi-trusting and simultaneously being aware that any move could be part of a larger plan. Hmm! Well it's good to argue with.

[Weliddryn]

FacetiousPersona. INTP.

Introverted: Highly secretive, few social connections, limited need for social connections, etc.

Intuitive: High quantity of posts, implying the lack of need to reason, relating seemingly unrelated topics easily and smoothly into debates, etc.

T: Very impersonal, succinct, analytical, finding inconsistencies, etc.

P: Unmotivated, indecisive, "go with the flow" mentality, etc.

FacetiousPersona has also displayed the ability to act as an ENTJ, being very bracing in a debate and thoroughly enjoying them.

[Seducer of the Homeless]

definate INTP, i think most figured this out pretty soon after FP came here

[Melkor]

Look honeysuckles, if you're interested in Face in such a way, there is no such a way that you can be interesting....

Face is simple.........


An attention seeking moron.


Like me, only without the charm, and thresholds.

[FacetiousPersona]

Look honeysuckles, if you're interested in Face in such a way, there is no such a way that you can be interesting....

Face is simple.........


An attention seeking moron.


Like me, only without the charm, and thresholds.

We all know you are probably very unappealing in real life. Compensating online is fine for people like you.

[Seducer of the Homeless]

We all know you are probably very unappealing in real life. Compensating online is fine for people like you.

What The Hell! you are a Person Like Him.

[Melkor]

Yes.....the sad turht is, that whiel Melkor can be honest about his foibles....poor Face the She-male looks into the mirror and see's a genius of great personal beauty....


everyone else see's a pig in lipstick...

[Seducer of the Homeless]

Where She sees a Beautiful pair of Buttocks, we see a Mouldy Hamburger.....

[FacetiousPersona]

What The Hell! you are a Person Like Him.

I'm not denying I am unappealing in real life or compensating for inadequacies online.

Also, Melkor, I am pretty, but you're likely not. There's a difference between us.

[Melkor]

Ahhh..nice one Face...

First you make a neutral statement, then you make a biased one.


You're clever.



yes, I also have decency...while you....


erm...


well you're about as decent as Noddy in a dress,singing hymns in red light district while taking pictures of passing hookers to use later.

[FacetiousPersona]

Ahhh..nice one Face...

First you make a neutral statement, then you make a biased one.


You're clever.



yes, I also have decency...while you....


erm...


well you're about as decent as Noddy in a dress,singing hymns in red light district while taking pictures of passing hookers to use later.

You'd know about those hookers. They're the only hope for you. Perhaps you sent Noddy as a scout for you?

[NoID10ts]

Dr. NoID10ts prescribes a re-banning of FP along with its minions/alter egos/Fan Club AllKnowingCow and cheese.

http://www.intpforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=524&d=1237476115

Why waste so much time and space on these fuckwits?

[Melkor]

AS NODDY WILLS, SO MOTE IT BE!!!!!!!!!!!





-Gathers a crowd of true beleivers to batter down Face's door, and drown her in barrel of equally tubby shemales-

[Fukyo]

Why waste so much time and space on these fuckwits?



Like I said,Noddy could kick Face's ass in a blink of an eye. :p

[FacetiousPersona]

At least I'm not the only asshole here.

[Seducer of the Homeless]

Of Course Not......

although maybe the biggest

[FacetiousPersona]

Of Course Not......

although maybe the biggest

People seem to regard you as the biggest of something. Hehe.

[Cegorach]

Before this gets out of hand, I'm gonna point out how fucking ridiculous this all is...
I don't care who wants what. I don't care who likes who. And I am tired as fuck of people who can't see past their own selfish desires and recognize that they're surrounded by other people. People with ambitions, people with feelings, people who just want to be understood and accepted. We sit there and we insult, we yell, we fight, while in our mind we dehumanize our opponents and we force ourselves to believe that they somehow personify evil, because we can't accept that we're attacking another half decent human being.
Afterward we complain about how the entire world is screwed up, and deny that there is anything that we can do about it.
I fully understand that as individuals what we do means very little, that if we choose to do the respectful thing it will have little to no impact on the overall schema, but why is it that everybody uses this as an excuse to continue their arrogant reprisals and ignorant motives?
I'm tired of people attempting to prove how much better they are than others, and I'm tired of the fact that I don't always follow my own advice...

Why do you believe others lie?
Could it be because they fear what others will do with the knowledge they may acquire. What happens if you're completely honest with everybody and you tell the truth regardless of situation, will they think of your needs or will they use this information to establish dominance over you? Will they be honest back or will they continue their deceit?
...Now why would they do this? Are they evil?
No... they fear the same things you fear, the uncertainty that you cause, the possibility that you will do exactly what they are doing to you, and they are choosing to act before you can, to diminish the pain you could cause, and to ensure that they are not hurt by your actions. Their survival instincts have trumped their humanity, and until trust is formed, any community will slowly crumble under the pressures that this vicious circle can cause.

I just want people to recognize this before they choose to start a fight.




Ah yes, Noddy! I'd like to buy one of those shirts. :D
You should start posting more again by the way!

[cheese]

Cow:
Hmm. Just in general - I don't think everyone has the same desires etc. Some people are truly cruel/uncaring and so on.
However I do think people's reasons and motivations behind their actions are often a lot more complex than we realise, which is partly what you were saying I think.

Noddy:
But I'm a fan of you too! :( You can't ban me!

On a side-note: You suspect we're Face? :eek::phear:

[hopefulmonster]

I've figured it out. FP is really a figment of the collective INTP imagination. Created out of our need to find enigmas...so if we all just pretend FP is not real we can unmake it. Or turn it into something cool like a talking dolphin with telekinisis.

[Fukyo]

Or turn it into something cool like a talking dolphin with telekinisis.


SHIT!!! :phear::phear::eek::eek::phear::phear:

[cheese]

hope:
There's a face in all of us. And in each face there's a smaller face, and in each smaller face there's an even smaller face, and in each even smaller face there's an even smaller smaller face, and so on ad infinitum. Like russian dol....phins.

[Oblivious]

Before this gets out of hand, I'm gonna point out how fucking ridiculous this all is...
I don't care who wants what. I don't care who likes who. And I am tired as fuck of people who can't see past their own selfish desires and recognize that they're surrounded by other people. People with ambitions, people with feelings, people who just want to be understood and accepted. We sit there and we insult, we yell, we fight, while in our mind we dehumanize our opponents and we force ourselves to believe that they somehow personify evil, because we can't accept that we're attacking another half decent human being. A person that has friends and family, and loves and cares.
Afterward we complain about how the entire world is screwed up, and deny that there is anything that we can do about it.
I fully understand that as individuals what we do means very little, that if we choose to do the right thing it will have little to no impact on the overall schema, but why is it that everybody uses this as an excuse to continue their arrogant reprisals and ignorant motives?
I'm tired of people attempting to prove how much better they are than others, and I'm tired of the fact that I don't always follow my own advice...

Why do you believe others lie?
Could it be because they fear what others will do with the knowledge they may acquire. What happens if you're completely honest with everybody and you tell the truth regardless of situation, will they think of your needs or will they use this information to establish dominance over you? Will they be honest back or will they continue their deceit?
...Now why would they do this? Are they evil?
No... they fear the same things you fear, the uncertainty that you cause, the possibility that you will do exactly what they are doing to you, and they are choosing to act before you can, to diminish the pain you could cause, and to ensure that they are not hurt by your actions. Their survival instincts have trumped their humanity, and until trust is formed, any community will slowly crumble under the pressures that this vicious circle can cause.

I just want people to recognize this before they choose to start a fight.




Ah yes, Noddy! I'd like to buy one of those shirts. :D
You should start posting more again by the way!

I never thought I would say this, but A fucking Men.

[FacetiousPersona]

hope:
There's a face in all of us. And in each face there's a smaller face, and in each smaller face there's an even smaller face, and in each even smaller face there's an even smaller smaller face, and so on ad infinitum. Like russian dol....phins.

If even animals have these faces, I am terrified.

[Cegorach]

cheese:
The worst part is that those who are uncaring and cruel are merely a product of their disastrous environments... They still deserve punishment should they commit crimes but I cringe when I observe others portray them as monsters, when they are likely driven by a string of misfortunes and an abundance of anger at a seemingly uncaring and unjust world.

hopefulmonster:
So far the possible types for Face are...
-ENTP
-INTP
-Figment of our imagination/Dolphin with telekinesis.
This isn't quite what I expected.:D:p

Oblivious:
Thanks!




Oh, and I'm not mad at anyone on this thread; I just wanted them to STFU!!!! (and possibly learn something...):eek:;)

[FacetiousPersona]

The next logical course of action would be determining which type dolphins are on average.

[Cegorach]

I've heard that they're social animals, so I vote Extraversion. (And they're always smiling... those bastards!)

They're smart. So they must be INtuitive. :rolleyes:


Past that I have no idea.

[Fukyo]

Here's an idea.
Shut up about dolphins.
Now. :phear:

[Cegorach]

You Racist!!! Dolphins are people too!

[Anthile]

Dolphins are the mascot of the NF types. If you don't trust me, google for it.

[FacetiousPersona]

They have to be INFP. It would explain the typical human INFP's bizzare attraction to them.

[loveofreason]

INFPs in a social pod?

[Oblivious]

I know for a fact that dolphins gang up and hunt down sharks just for the fun of it and rape each other from time to time...

...just like people!

[Fukyo]

:eek::eek::phear::phear:





I'll get you all for this...

[cheese]

Cow:
Yes, I know just what you mean. I'm often uncomfortable with the usual pat condemnation and labelling. Anyone interested in cause and effect (in history, for example) knows the fruit is dependent on so many factors. At the risk of sounding cliche - we have to look at the shades of grey. *gags*


Dolphins are ESFXs. They have sex for kicks and they mess around all day. Hope was correct. Face is the dolphin screwing all of us.

That sounded better in my head.

With Face :eek:

[FacetiousPersona]

The ENTP dolphin is a player. Which type was Flipper?

[Fukyo]

*Fukyo drops a bomb and annihilates everyone who speaks of dolphins* :phear:

[FacetiousPersona]

*Face drops a bomb and destroys anyone daring to support Fukyo*