WHY DOES THIS SHIT MATTER HUH?

[Forbesanton]

WHY

[Inappropriate Behavior]

why not

[Auburn]

Nothing inherently has any purpose, or matters. Purpose only exists when it is given by something/one else. Purpose is a human created concept and is completely subjective.

In others words, nothing really matters unless you make it matter to you. Life has no purpose, existence has no purpose, and reality has no purpose unless you want it to have a purpose.

[Artifice Orisit]

If nothing matters then why are you unhappy?

If nothing matters you can choose to be happy for the pure skake of wanting to be happy.
Be cause if nothing matters there is no reason why you can't be happy if you want to.

Stop needing reasons from the world. Make your own reasons; your own rules.
Make the world play your game, your way, by your rules.
Stop being a slave to a subjective reality.
BE FREE.

Our attachments bind us like invisible chains, so just take them off.
Our fears blind us from the truths out there to see, so just take it off.
Our wants drives us like a merciless masters, so make them the slave of your will.

LIFE IS MEANINGLESS, SO REJOICE FOR THE MEANING IS YOURS TO DECIDE

[FF]

GTFO. NOW.

Everything matters.

Especially grey.

[Artifice Orisit]

@-FastFashion
1. No
2. Why?
3. Yes I like grey too.

Forbesanton, read my post again. You’re reaching an existential epiphany!

[FF]

1) Ohh dude I wasn't talking about you haha

2) Because. If it didn't, then go kill yourself. :)

3) Grey is pretty awesome :D

[Artifice Orisit]

1) I was answering on Forbesanton's behalf

2) As tempting as that is, I imagine I wouldn't be able to enjoy the spite, if I'm dead. So I'm just going to go with: I'm lazy & poorly motivated.

3) Grey is like black, but more varied, y'know? :D

[Kuu]

shit is good

[FF]

shit is goodShit is good.

If we didn't shit, then bad things would happen.

[FacetiousPersona]

Nothing inherently has any purpose, or matters. Purpose only exists when it is given by something/one else. Purpose is a human created concept and is completely subjective.

In others words, nothing really matters unless you make it matter to you. Life has no purpose, existence has no purpose, and reality has no purpose unless you want it to have a purpose.
I love nihilism.

[FF]

I love nihilism.And I love narcissism.

Shit matters because I matter, BITCH!

[Perseus]

Different kinds of shit, Horseshit (ESFJ), Bullshit (ESTJ) are very common. Dogshit (ISTJ) is prevalent. Dragonshit (INFP) is sometimes just called Shit.

[grey matters]

Wow, you are talking about shit, and about how grey matters without my even bringing it up. It seems that my not so subtle influence is making an impact. The philosophical question now should be, is this a good thing? I say, oh well, who cares weather this is a good thing or not. It's Monday, this is the internet, so the question should be, are we having fun yet?

May I make an observation, the original poster started a philosophical discussion with one word. Though it was a good word to use when starting a philosophical discussion, I applaud you, person who started this, that was clever of you.

Oh, and welcome to the forum.

[Yossarian]

Why does anything matter?


Well, imo, things mattering, comes down to whether you are a theist or an atheist.

If you are a theist, then things have to matter. What and how much is going to depend on the specifics of your faith. Obviously, if something created this universe, it must have been for a reason. That reason is going to depend again on which faith you choose. Enter church, enter rules, enter warm fuzzy feelings.

But, if you are an atheist, the only logical conclusion is complete and total relativity, ie, nothing really matters. Enter nihilism, enter sad music, enter the suck.

Now some of these other posters see Nihilism, relativity, and assigning purpose and meaning to life as a great liberation, and that is great, it makes sense to me in theory, but trying that in life just doesnt seem to work.

Maybe it's better just to not think about this stuff. Never seems to get anywhere. I feel like it is so heavy and unhealthy to be debating back and forth all the time on an issue, that if swung in one direction or the other, will change you so fundamentally.

But then, what else is there to do? (And what if one way is right, and if you just thought about it more, you could've arrived at a conclusion?)

Ugh...

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Perhaps it is this forum that is the OP's subject of 'why does this shit matter?'

[Yossarian]

Perhaps it is this forum that is the OP's subject of 'why does this shit matter?'


Ah, yeah maybe.

In that case, I guess it doesn't. Its importance is relative.

[Da Blob]

But We Do Have a Calling ...
We Were Made For A Purpose!
Why Do You Pretend You Do Not "Know" This?


Revelations 17;17
"For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill His will,
and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast,
until the words of God shall be fulfilled"

Revelations 7:16-17
"They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Romans 8:28
"And we know that all things work together
for good to them that love God,
to them who are the called
according to His purpose"

[Mud~Eye]

Nevermind...
I think it sound crazy...

[Artifice Orisit]

@-Da Blob
Bible quoting will be met with bible bashing, just thought you should know...

[Chimera]

I just can't read bible verses on the internet with a straight face.

[Jesin]

@-Da Blob
Bible quoting will be met with bible bashing, just thought you should know...

Not necessarily.

But quoting the bible like *that*, yeah, that's going to lead to bashing.

'Why do you pretend you do not "know" this?' Oh, please, no. Not that. Not again.

[Chimera]

'Why do you pretend you do not "know" this?' Oh, please, no. Not that. Not again.

For some reason, I always envision him with Perseus's avatar.
I think it's an omen.

[Da Blob]

@-Da Blob
Bible quoting will be met with bible bashing, just thought you should know...

Kinda pointless...
i studied the Bible for three years,
unless you have done the same (?)
then We just are not on the same Level
different rules/ different levels...

[Chimera]

Kinda pointless...
i studied the Bible for three years,
unless you have done the same (?)
then We just are not on the same Level
different rules/ different levels...

I had no idea I was in the presence of such an all-knowing being.
Please, have mercy! I am not worthy!

Maybe I don't have as many details about the bible memorized (verses and such) as you do. And I'll concede that the bible does present some intriguing ideas, so on and so forth.
Maybe in regards to bible-knowledge, you're on a higher "level" than some people are. But what does such a thing mean to someone who holds little value in the bible?

[Da Blob]

Yes, that is what I mean from the outside looking in, the Bible is just another dusty old book, that people you do not respect wave in your face a lot.

However, from the inside of the "Word", there is an entirely different perspective ...

However, I felt I had to provoke a bit, with all this lamentation about meaningless, purposeless, empty, futile lives... Which from my POV is all that can be achieved by any who choose not to believe in a spiritual dimension to life.

Our purpose is to Love. A task made often difficult by the Enemy that seeks to prevent Us from doing so and thereby keeps Us from realizing Our 'true' identity...

[Anthile]

Well, I would evoke Sturgeon's Law on the bible.

[FacetiousPersona]

@-Da Blob
Bible quoting will be met with bible bashing, just thought you should know...

I'm glad that someone expressed an opinion relating to religion. I was happy that a variety of opinions were being stated.

[Yossarian]

Yes, that is what I mean from the outside looking in, the Bible is just another dusty old book, that people you do not respect wave in your face a lot.

However, from the inside of the "Word", there is an entirely different perspective ...

However, I felt I had to provoke a bit, with all this lamentation about meaningless, purposeless, empty, futile lives... Which from my POV is all that can be achieved by any who choose not to believe in a spiritual dimension to life.

Our purpose is to Love. A task made often difficult by the Enemy that seeks to prevent Us from doing so and thereby keeps Us from realizing Our 'true' identity...


Since you have studied the bible, can you expand maybe on what Ecclesiastes is saying? I know it relates to what we are discussing, the feeling of meaninglessness with life.

Basically what I get is that every worldly thing is meaningless, so you should just work hard, enjoy not being dead, and follow the bible, cuz that is pretty much all you can do. It says it more elegantly but I think that is the gist. Is there a better way to say that? Is it even applicable being from the old testament?

[Chimera]

I'm glad that someone expressed an opinion relating to religion. I was happy that a variety of opinions were being stated.


I love different opinions.
I just don't like it when people act like their opinion makes them better.

[FF]

I love different opinions.
I just don't like it when people act like their opinion makes them better.
Exactly.

And I see that all the time at ASU, unfortunately. It's quite sad.

[Jesin]

Once cryptonia gets back, then we'll have someone worth discussing the Bible with.

Unless FusionKnight wants to volunteer...

[Yossarian]

Maybe, in the beginning, it was all the same, all in the middle, there was nothing different or strayed from the center. Then, as one thing broke away, another to compensate, and another and another until it was all strewn out across the universe. All equally wrong and right, existing in complete discord and animosity with each other.

Apologies for the obscurity.

[grey matters]

Have a little mercy on De Blob, he is old he knows a little more about life then anyone here. The Bible has a lot of wisdom that is worthwhile to listen to. The older you get the more it makes sense (oops I think I have just opened my self up for a joke about senility, oh well).

[Auburn]

Da Blob, I too have been Christian for three years before. In that time, I poured all my heart, mind, and soul into understanding the Bible truths and sharing them with others. I sympathize with your posts.

Indeed it is a Christian's duty to "stand out" from the rest, wherever he goes, and possibly risk causing upset among those of other opinions - but truly all done in love, for the sake of possibly reaching out to even just one person reading this thread, no? The boldness of your posts is also a token of fidelity to your Savior.

Having said that, I honor your contributions, even if they vary from my own views...

[QSR]

Before there was nothing. Now there is something. In the future there will (probably) be nothing. What more do you need to know? Aren't we able to reconcile with ambiguity?

[Artifice Orisit]

Have a little mercy on De Blob, he is old he knows a little more about life then anyone here. The Bible has a lot of wisdom that is worthwhile to listen to. The older you get the more it makes sense (oops I think I have just opened my self up for a joke about senility, oh well).

Classic, just classic.

The joke being you have to be senile to understand the bible. :D

[Da Blob]

Since you have studied the bible, can you expand maybe on what Ecclesiastes is saying? I know it relates to what we are discussing, the feeling of meaninglessness with life.

The Book of Ecclesiastic is a deep book with many layers. The first level is just a wise old man discussing the "Deceitfulness of Riches" of every goal that normal men pursue. He should know what he is talking about. He had wealth, power, sex on demand from 300 or 400 women etc and etc. However..., he was not a 'happy' man, even though he had everything that could be had - except...

Basically what I get is that every worldly thing is meaningless, so you should just work hard, enjoy not being dead, and follow the bible, cuz that is pretty much all you can do. It says it more elegantly but I think that is the gist. Is there a better way to say that? Is it even applicable being from the old testament?

If it was not for the presence of the Enemy there would be no need for the Bible.
I mean in the Garden, the Bible consisted solely of this "Thou shalt not eat of the tree in the midst of the garden. Everything has gotten rather complicated since then...
How does One live Life, since God is Life?- just Be Alive and be the individual you were created to be. Success is a State of Being.

I love different opinions.
I just don't like it when people act like their opinion makes them better.

Well, there is a remote possibility, that I actually am marginally better on a few things than others. However, that is not my motivation is speaking as I do, (I do not need to fell 'better" than others) I do get tired of people trashing the Bible and Jesus, though. Especially those who have invested little or no time investigating the deeper levels of the faith.

Have a little mercy on De Blob, he is old he knows a little more about life then anyone here. The Bible has a lot of wisdom that is worthwhile to listen to. The older you get the more it makes sense (oops I think I have just opened my self up for a joke about senility, oh well).

The Bible offers a wealth of therapeutical/psychological principles. Although, being alive for nigh 60 years has allowed me to experience a great range of life, it is questionable as to what can be learned from the perspective of having my head up my ass for the first 30 years of that life. I know what I know, I do not know what I do not know (?)

Once cryptonia gets back, then we'll have someone worth discussing the Bible with.Unless FusionKnight wants to volunteer...

Unless FusionKnight wants to volunteer...
I'll discuss the Bible with anyone that sees it as a book written by an Other,
as opposed to being cobbled together by a bunch of illiterate goatherds
(which I think is the way Jordan once described the Book.)

Again the topic of this thread is 'WHY DOES THIS SHIT MATTER HUH?'
I seem to be in the minority, to think and state that it does matter...

[Yossarian]

The Bible offers a wealth of therapeutical/psychological principles. Although, being alive for nigh 60 years has allowed me to experience a great range of life, it is questionable as to what can be learned from the perspective of having my head up my ass for the first 30 years of that life. I know what I know, I do not know what I do not know (?)





Again the topic of this thread is 'WHY DOES THIS SHIT MATTER HUH?'
I seem to be in the minority, to think and state that it does matter...


Man, if you knew what you did not know, that would be sweet!

I appreciate the explanation.

I am changing my mind...for now...it does matter woohoo!!!!

[Kuu]

Why can't you see that it matters that it doesn't matter :D

[Anthile]

But to end that discussion, the answer to "WHY DOES THIS SHIT MATTER HUH?" is simple:

Mu.

[FacetiousPersona]

Why can't you see that it matters that it doesn't matter :D

Are you open to philosophical questions? We ignore the fact that discussions of philosophical topics are not very beneficial to our practical lives, yet we have them to entertain our mind and expand our understanding of the field. A field does not have to be applicable to reality for us to have interest in it. People play video games for fun and others debate issues for this fun. It is for the purpose of entertaining them and increasing their awareness of the topic.

I could imagine the insight through a philosophical revalation inspiring an individual to take action with their practical life, but, other than occurrences similar to this, it has little advantage to how they live practically. It does not teach them how to accumulate money practically well, but perhaps it allows them to improve their mind to learn how to master techniques better. We cannot fully prove how our discussions of philosophy will benefit us, but we do it for amusement and 'irrelevant' knowledge. Personally, I do not think that it is irrelevant knowledge, but it would be easy for a realistic person to argue against it. You could be focusing on learning practical matters that have higher benefits to the real world. Expectations for philosophical knowledge to be a major advantage is not very good.

Why does he take an interest in religion and discuss it with us? Why do we take an interest in philosophy and discuss it with others? We preach our philosophical beliefs to others and expect other people to follow them. Bob and us are not necessarily far apart as people imply.

[Da Blob]

Man, if you knew what you did not know, that would be sweet!

I appreciate the explanation.

I am changing my mind...for now...it does matter woohoo!!!!

Yeah, for the time being...

My apologies to everyone, I am in the wrong forum,

I usually keep the reiigious opinions in the Philosophy, Religion and Science section where they belong.

I did not notice that the Question for this Thread, wasn't meant philosophically or that in
it was posted in the Introit section.

(I hope I did not scare anyone off...!)

[FacetiousPersona]

Yeah, for the time being...

My apologies to everyone, I am in the wrong forum,

I usually keep the reiigious opinions the the Philosophy, Religion and Science section were they belongs.

I did not notice that the Question for this Thread, wasn't meant philosophically or that in
it was posted in the Introit section. (I hope I did not scare anyone off...!)

It should be possible for conversations to evolve into philosophical/theology discussions in other sections. We cannot manage the direction of a conversation entirely. If it leads towards one of these discussions, we should not prevent the natural emergence of it.

[Artifice Orisit]

WHY

He has only made 1 post, just one.

One word,
One post,
One thread,

And now we are debating the meaning of life.

I bet this guy is laughing his head off.

[QSR]

The bible is quite a long and detailed work, with plenty of ambiguity to encourage discussion and deep thinking. I don't think the bible taken as it is, describes anything particularly divine. It is definitely great fodder for dissection and discussion, though.

[Yossarian]

It should be possible for conversations to evolve into philosophical/theology discussions in other sections. We cannot manage the direction of a conversation entirely. If it leads towards one of these discussions, we should not prevent the natural emergence of it.


Seconded. This thread is probably out of place, we all realize that, doesn't mean we can't discuss what was posted until it's moved.

[grey matters]

^^ interesting twist of the matter, tekton.

Well, DaBlob, maybe you did have your head up your ass for the first 30 years of your life, I don't know I wasn't there, but you have had 30 years of hindsight since then. I know a little bit about having my own head up my ass. At the time you can't see shit, but after wards, when you look back at all the mistakes and missed opportunities that happened as a result of being in that position for so long, you learn and don't make the same mistake again. I would not morn the 30 years of your supposed head up assidness (ooh cool new word) if you have learned from it.

Cog. you took the bait.

[Artifice Orisit]

Cog. you took the bait.
That, I did.

I blame my predisposition for head up my assidness.
(new word added to MS Word dictionary)

Edit: bugger

[Da Blob]

That, I did.

I blame my predisposition for head up my assidness.
(new word added to MS Word dictionary)

I believe the correct spelling is Assedness...:D

[Gorgrim]

becoming a better person is what I get from christianity as a religion.. rest is just fluff :)

[EditorOne]

"WHY DOES THIS SHIT MATTER HUH?"


Why does anything have to matter?

[grey matters]

^^ Because it matters.

Cog, you took the bait but unfortunately I forgot to set a trap. I have got to remember to do that.

Da Blob yes, your spelling of the word is better. I originally wanted to spell it acidness but then I decided to save that for a kill the other user thread.

[Oblivious]

yo yo whats up in this thread

[Artifice Orisit]

Those black soulless eyes, like the eyes of a shark..,
So cute.

[QSR]

It's a CUTE KITTY! I love calicos.

[grey matters]

I bet I can fit that entire kitten in my mouth.

[Forbesanton]

THIS DONT BE MAKIN SENSE THO. Y I GOT TO DO DIS?

[Da Blob]

THIS DONT BE MAKIN SENSE THO. Y I GOT TO DO DIS?

Uh Oh! 11.5 words...STAND BACK, EVERYONE!!!

The meaning of Faith is to never have to ask the question, "WHY"...

[Forbesanton]

wat is this forum about> i think its about sex tho

[Da Blob]

wat is this forum about> i think its about sex tho

No, it is mainly about the MBTI personality type, the rare and exalted INTP....

[FacetiousPersona]

wat is this forum about> i think its about sex tho

You are correct, but they are all unaware, sadly. They arrive here, as virgins, to subtly discuss techniques to lose their virginity, I think. This is definitely a place for INTPs to congregate and discuss the topic they share in common, virginity.

[QSR]

Apparently trolls get free reign in this place. INTP is too dense/nice to tell them off.

[loveofreason]

Too preoccupied actually.

What I wonder is why we can't resist taking troll bait?

Because the question itself seems more important than any motive behind it being asked?

*shrugs*

[dwags222]

i read through this entire thread and i have two things to say.

first . . . this is the funniest thing in the entire thread

I know a little bit about having my own head up my ass. At the time you can't see shit

hmm i expected just the opposite.

second, a message to da blob

i respect your possition. i actually have a bachelors in biblical literature. however, don't you think if you want to have a positive impact on peoples view of god, religion, and spirituality, then the least responsible thing you could do in an intp forum is quote the bible? the bible is great, if you accept it as true, but if a person is not even in a position to be open to what the bible says, and most intp's in todays age will not be, then you need to find a better way to argue positively for god. (i am not trying to be rebuke you, it is just that i have had the above personal insight as at one time in life i thought quoting the bible, or making purely biblical arguments for the existence of god was a good thing to do, but now i realize it usually does more harm than good.)

[FacetiousPersona]

We benefited through the troll's action (intellectual stimuli through intense discussion). I think that we, the regulars, and the troll, ???, are both satisfied.

[benone]

The meaning of Faith is to never have to ask the question, "WHY"...

So... you mean that Faith is necessary an apposite for Science ? :confused:
I always considered the 'why' as the foundation of all scientific advances. I even use the 'why' when I try to know more about the God and He's Word.
Can you elaborate your 'faith vs why' statement ? :o

[Parodyofme]

a message to da blob

i respect your possition. i actually have a bachelors in biblical literature. however, don't you think if you want to have a positive impact on peoples view of god, religion, and spirituality, then the least responsible thing you could do in an intp forum is quote the bible? the bible is great, if you accept it as true, but if a person is not even in a position to be open to what the bible says, and most intp's in todays age will not be, then you need to find a better way to argue positively for god. (i am not trying to be rebuke you, it is just that i have had the above personal insight as at one time in life i thought quoting the bible, or making purely biblical arguments for the existence of god was a good thing to do, but now i realize it usually does more harm than good.)

Good observation. You don't want people dismissing you before you get a chance to explain.