Work and Learning

[INTPINFP]

There are 3 things I fear about modern life.

Learning: I am afraid all the stuff I learn will use up so much storage space, I will not be able to learn anything else!

Work: Stuff like this scares me- "
Why are people afraid to work nowadays?

I work in a factory,and it seems I'm one of the only hard-workers on 2nd shift.Everyone else goofs off,walks around,talks,eats,doesn't stay on task,etc. Then they complain that they have to be at work.They're not even working! The older people in their 50's and 60's who work with us do more work without so much as a wimper,but the 20 year olds call in sick for every little hiccup,or they grumble about their back hurting,they can't work,or complain about some other ailment they probably don't even have,they're saying they do to get outta work.We have a 75 year old man with a heart condition on 1st shift,and he does 10 hours a day,5 days a week,and he works his a ss off! He only stops for first break and lunch.Works right thru his last break of the day! People don't seem to want to work anymore. Me and him are 2 of the hardest workers I think!" - Yahoo Answers Original Question

Social: Sometimes I just don't feel comfortable socializing with people I don't know.

[Decaf]

Learning: I am afraid all the stuff I learn will use up so much storage space, I will not be able to learn anything else!

Perhaps it would be useful to learn whether or not this is likely to happen. Do you know how much storage space you have in your brain? Maybe it would help if you learned how to defragment your thoughts (learn how what you know is connected to everything else you know).

As far as work, its not designed for you. If you find yourself horrified by the report of that person working in a factory, don't work in a factory. Hell, stay away from manufacturing if possible. As you can see some people prefer that kind of responsible work while his coworkers don't. He blames it on them being young, when in reality the reason is because they don't fit into the kind of work environment that they've been convinced they're supposed to do. In the end the ones that don't fit will quit and the ones that do will stay, resulting in a bunch of older employees working hard and a new batch of 20-somethings hating it. It is your responsibility to find what there is that you can apply yourself towards that will make you happy. That's not an easy task, but it must be done or you will find yourself one day standing on that factory floor or its equivalent. Don't let anyone tell you that the factory is inevitable. It only happens through inaction.

On social, welcome to world of being an introvert. You may learn some skills on how to make it easier to do, but it'll never be second nature. Unless you happen upon a kindred spirit it will probably always feel a little uncomfortable. Its one of the downsides to a characteristic that has an equal number of upsides. It sucks because our culture doesn't respect the advantages we bring to the table, but we have to learn to respect them in spite of what the world tells us.

[INTPINFP]

I am not 100% of what I am destined for, but I also should mention that I am skitzophrenic, and whenever my brain "gets running", my skitzophrenia sets in (i am on medication, and the medication reduces my enthusiasm for work, too.)

[Decaf]

I am not 100% of what I am destined for, but I also should mention that I am skitzophrenic, and whenever my brain "gets running", my skitzophrenia sets in (i am on medication, and the medication reduces my enthusiasm for work, too.)

I don't know what to tell you. Through some trial and error it has become clear to me that I don't know much about mental illness, or how a brain functions while under the effects of psychoactive medication. I'll look into it though. I know there are several notables that live fairly normal lives with not-mild forms of schizophrenia, so best of luck to you. If I find anything that might be useful knowledge I'll make sure I send it your way.

I'll also add that if I were you I would careful what kind of medication is used to treat your symptoms. Schitzophrenia is not a fun thing when not treated, but a lot of psychoactive medication makes things worse (just ask almost anyone with epilepsy).

[INTPINFP]

I don't know what to tell you. Through some trial and error it has become clear to me that I don't know much about mental illness, or how a brain functions while under the effects of psychoactive medication. I'll look into it though. I know there are several notables that live fairly normal lives with not-mild forms of schizophrenia, so best of luck to you. If I find anything that might be useful knowledge I'll make sure I send it your way.

thanks, ill be patiently waiting :D

[Ogion]

'Patiently' seems to fill two meanings here ;)
Best of luck from me too. I hardly can imagine how it must be.

Ogion

[Agent Intellect]

I work in a factory,and it seems I'm one of the only hard-workers on 2nd shift.Everyone else goofs off,walks around,talks,eats,doesn't stay on task,etc. Then they complain that they have to be at work.They're not even working! The older people in their 50's and 60's who work with us do more work without so much as a wimper,but the 20 year olds call in sick for every little hiccup,or they grumble about their back hurting,they can't work,or complain about some other ailment they probably don't even have,they're saying they do to get outta work.We have a 75 year old man with a heart condition on 1st shift,and he does 10 hours a day,5 days a week,and he works his a ss off! He only stops for first break and lunch.Works right thru his last break of the day! People don't seem to want to work anymore. Me and him are 2 of the hardest workers I think!" - Yahoo Answers Original Question

i can't even begin to portray how much i relate to that guy. i work in a warehouse with some college students and a couple older people (most of which were laid off from their prior jobs) and the college students are simply horrible at what should be a mind numbingly simple job. i usually attribute it to apathy (what should they care? its only part time for them) and laziness, but sometimes i wonder.

[INTPINFP]

'Patiently' seems to fill two meanings here ;)
Best of luck from me too. I hardly can imagine how it must be.

Ogion

lol

but yeah i think im getting better :)

[ElectricWizard]

It's human nature, people can't work hard for the good of others, they need more motivation.

[EditorOne]

I'll get back to you in a year on this to tell you how it REALLY works out, but now might be a good time to bring up an "occupation" that turns out to be ideally suited to INTPs. Don't laugh: Stock market investor.

My wife and I had an old, small tax sheltered annuity that was doing nothing except collapse under the stock market mess because the administrators were apparently doing their impression of ducks in thunder. She agreed to get it out of there and put it in something else, so I

1. Read a bunch of books as fast as I could on the stock market
2. Rolled the annuity over into a self-controlled Individual Retirement Account
3. Got an online brokerage account
4. Took the $3,400 left in the crippled annuity and invested it in three stocks selected using nothing but knowledge and logic
5. Went from $3,400 last Monday to $5,100 today.

I am frantically looking for dimes under sofa cushions to invest more money as fast as possible.

Some of the simplest advice in this arena will resonate with INTPs: When everyone else is timid, be bold. When everyone else is bold, be careful. Never worry about the market, just find stocks in sound businesses that are going to improve. Etc.

You can codify your selection of "important factors" on a stock screen to eliminate what used to be a tedious reading of stock listings in newspapers to get your company data. And you don't need to write to a company to get their "investor information,' it's available in seconds these days.

If I were a young person, I'd scratch and claw and eat beans and live in a cardboard box for as long as it took to get $10,000 together, then I'd invest it in the stock market. It may be occupation best suited to us: You don't need to talk to anyone; you use your brain; once you work out your own system, you just buy the stock and your money does all the work. You can check it oncea week or once a month or once a year.

The only other thing I've ever seen that was this appealing was being a pig herder in colonial America: Turn your young pigs loose in the forest in the spring, let them fatten on acorns for six months, then drive them to market (on foot) in the fall and sell them. The rest of the time you can sing, dance, drink and write bad poetry.

It may not be for everyone, but it looks like I've found both a hobby and a post-retirement career (six years to go, and even though I'm not counting down, I'm preparing. Procrastinator. Should have done this 20 years ago. :-) )

[Ogion]

Hmyes, seems to be a useful activity. I would just have to get over my opinion of the stock exchange system being utterly ridiculous and stupid and cause of that rejecting it out of hand^^ :D

Ogion

[EditorOne]

"Hmyes, seems to be a useful activity. I would just have to get over my opinion of the stock exchange system being utterly ridiculous and stupid and cause of that rejecting it out of hand^^ :D"

Absolutely. This would be the second or third thing I'd rejected out of hand as being ridiculous, unsavory, or out of reach over the last 30 years, and it joins the others as one of the sturdy shoes on the Automatic Butt Kicking Machine I'm going to buy. :-)

[Ogion]

So i have to see it as a ridiculous system but still (or exactly because) use it for my purposes? That makes sense. (It does, and it strengthens our arrogance over the stupudity of others, doens't it? :p)

Ogion

[EditorOne]

So i have to see it as a ridiculous system but still (or exactly because) use it for my purposes? That makes sense. (It does, and it strengthens our arrogance over the stupudity of others, doens't it? :p)

Ogion


Oh, I keep the arrogance thing hidden out of sight in the world of Muggles, and really it's others' perception of arrogance I'm dealing with, I'm not sure being a relative emotional cripple is any basis for arrogance.

I'm just so tickled to see a purely intellectual endeavor actually result in the accumulation of money that I'm grinning ear to ear. I could become a recluse and still make a living.... but like I said, I'll get back to you in a year. The great truth this past week has been you'd have to be deliberately suicidal to lose money in a market where most businesses lost value previously only because most investors lost courage, and they're all going to go up. Just get on the board and catch the wave and don't try any hang tens or whatever.... :-) And use the respite to learn more about what to do when the market is normalized.



wjw

[ElectricWizard]

I'll get back to you in a year on this to tell you how it REALLY works out, but now might be a good time to bring up an "occupation" that turns out to be ideally suited to INTPs. Don't laugh: Stock market investor
I'm currently laughing. Probably only me, though.